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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jan 29 @ 10:13 PM ET
Who over the age of 12 watches the allstar game?
- Tumbleweed

That's my point. If you're over about 16 and you watch the ASG, you should be ashamed
Nucker101
Seattle Kraken
Location: Empty The Clip, ME
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 29 @ 10:17 PM ET
Who over the age of 12 watches the allstar game?
- Tumbleweed

Probably a lot of people
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 29 @ 10:23 PM ET
Probably a lot of people
- Nucker101

Oh
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 29 @ 10:55 PM ET
Probably a lot of people
- Nucker101


They're just mad Kesler's kid has beaten Price more often than the Leafs.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 29 @ 11:15 PM ET
They're just mad Kesler's kid has beaten Price more often than the Leafs.
- golfingsince


Huh???
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 30 @ 8:46 AM ET
why does it say 06/25/2017??? that's a date in the future. did you make this up doops?

the Vegas odds have the Leafs at 50 to 1 and the senaturds at 60 to 1.

http://www.espn.com/chalk...tgate-las-vegas-superbook

- prock



You'll have to ask the website administrator ........... perhaps that's the date the Playoffs end????



see for yourself, I don't make shit up, that's your job.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures/

If you check out the other leagues (NFL) they date the Odds when finals are completed, season over. Not to hard to figure out.



Odds to win 2016-17 Super Bowl LI (2/5/17)

Odds to win the 2016-17 NBA Finals (6/15/17)
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 30 @ 10:06 AM ET
You'll have to ask the website administrator ........... perhaps that's the date the Playoffs end????



see for yourself, I don't make shit up, that's your job.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures/

If you check out the other leagues (NFL) they date the Odds when finals are completed, season over. Not to hard to figure out.



Odds to win 2016-17 Super Bowl LI (2/5/17)

Odds to win the 2016-17 NBA Finals (6/15/17)

- D0PPELGANGER


rebuilding last place poopty Leafs better odds than the Sens
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 30 @ 11:17 AM ET
rebuilding last place poopty Leafs better odds than the Sens
- senstroll


depends on which site you look at though.........

but take your victories where you can I guess.
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jan 30 @ 11:19 AM ET
depends on which site you look at though.........

but take your victories where you can I guess.

- D0PPELGANGER

no YOU!!
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 30 @ 11:24 AM ET
using vegas odds to determine who is in a better position is probably a new low for this thread. did anyone think that was even possible at this point?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 30 @ 11:30 AM ET
using vegas odds to determine who is in a better position is probably a new low for this thread. did anyone think that was even possible at this point?
- daeth



Lower than ignoring the reality of the current standings, and projecting a "better situation" at some point in future, when someone thinks the team they support will better that the other?

What's next, predicting a terminator will just come back from this future and re-rail the team that will be in the better position in the future?

Let's just see how the season ends up, and the team higher in the standings is the one in the better situation.

If both one or both teams make the playoffs, then after they conclude their playoff run, then that team will be in the better situation ................. and let's forget about draft position, and this years' draft is not nearly as good, from what I've heard, than the last few.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 30 @ 11:35 AM ET
Lower than ignoring the reality of the current standings, and projecting a "better situation" at some point in future, when someone thinks the team they support will better that the other?

What's next, predicting a terminator will just come back from this future and re-rail the team that will be in the better position in the future?

Let's just see how the season ends up, and the team higher in the standings is the one in the better situation.

If both one or both teams make the playoffs, then after they conclude their playoff run, then that team will be in the better situation ................. and let's forget about draft position, and this years' draft is not nearly as good, from what I've heard, than the last few.

- D0PPELGANGER

I guess it all depends on what your definition of "situation" is.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 30 @ 11:39 AM ET
I guess it all depends on what your definition of "situation" is.
- daeth


we should just re-name this thread for what it really is

"prock and spatso make asses of themselves while everyone else mocks them"

i would wager that that accurately describes about 80-85% of this thread.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 30 @ 1:09 PM ET
according to the numbers Leafs and Sens have a tough 2nd half

https://theathletic.com/3...afs-second-half-schedule/

If either the Leafs or the Senators fall out of the playoffs it might just be because they run out of gas.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 31 @ 5:13 AM ET
according to the numbers Leafs and Sens have a tough 2nd half

https://theathletic.com/3...afs-second-half-schedule/



- senstroll


This table does not make a lot of sense. The Senators do not have many games left against teams currently sitting in a playoff position. They do end the season with a long string of games on the road. But they have a long string of home games before.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 31 @ 6:27 AM ET
This table does not make a lot of sense. The Senators do not have many games left against teams currently sitting in a playoff position. They do end the season with a long string of games on the road. But they have a long string of home games before.
- spatso


according to this site the sens actually have the easiest remaining schedule based on winning % in the conference

http://www.playoffstatus....hl/easternsosrg.html#sflx

it seems like strength of schedule is like playoff odds, each site looks at it differently and shows different numbers...........although I'm not sure why since unlike playoff odds strength of schedule is pretty easy to figure out.

either way, Ottawa's schedule outside of a small stretch in March is pretty soft to end the year.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 31 @ 6:39 AM ET
according to this site the sens actually have the easiest remaining schedule based on winning % in the conference

http://www.playoffstatus....hl/easternsosrg.html#sflx

it seems like strength of schedule is like playoff odds, each site looks at it differently and shows different numbers...........although I'm not sure why since unlike playoff odds strength of schedule is pretty easy to figure out.

either way, Ottawa's schedule outside of a small stretch in March is pretty soft to end the year.

- sensarmy_11

i'm guessing the original one goes on each teams win % against the remaining teams. dumb way to do it due to tiny sample size.

the leafs schedule the rest of the way will be rough because they have more games remaining than most teams, so they'll have less rest. same with ottawa.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 31 @ 8:09 AM ET
i'm guessing the original one goes on each teams win % against the remaining teams. dumb way to do it due to tiny sample size.

the leafs schedule the rest of the way will be rough because they have more games remaining than most teams, so they'll have less rest. same with ottawa.

- daeth



I think I heard (on the radio) that the leafs & Sens have something like 35 games remaining, in 69 days, so slightly less than a game every second day on average ...... not leaving much time for practicing for the rest of the season.

Then I guess if you look at each teams' travel schedule, you could say one team has a "harder" schedule than the other.

So I would suggest that this will rest the depth of each team, as fatigue, injury and illness will undoubtedly have an impact on both teams, and roster changes and call ups will be used much more over the rest of the season.

I'm familiar with Ottawas' depth in Binghamton, as there have been a number of call ups over the season so far, but not so much with the leafs depth in the AHL.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jan 31 @ 9:02 AM ET
I think I heard (on the radio) that the leafs & Sens have something like 35 games remaining, in 69 days, so slightly less than a game every second day on average ...... not leaving much time for practicing for the rest of the season.

Then I guess if you look at each teams' travel schedule, you could say one team has a "harder" schedule than the other.

So I would suggest that this will rest the depth of each team, as fatigue, injury and illness will undoubtedly have an impact on both teams, and roster changes and call ups will be used much more over the rest of the season.

I'm familiar with Ottawas' depth in Binghamton, as there have been a number of call ups over the season so far, but not so much with the leafs depth in the AHL.

- D0PPELGANGER

Leafs have forward depth with Kapanen and Leipsic (once back from injury) and then guys like Rychel, Leivo and Froese. Vets like Laich, Greening and Michalek could play a shift on the 4th line.

D depth isn't great as I doubt they want Nielsen or Dermott in the NHL this year. The D depth will come from Corrado and Holl. So not much
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 31 @ 9:04 AM ET
How many of the Leafs rookies have ever played 82 games in a year? You usually expect rookies to get better over time but maybe fatigue will become a factor for some of them. It'll be interesting to see.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 31 @ 9:08 AM ET
I figured I'd do a quick check. Marner played 80 games last year and only got better as the games went on in the Memorial Cup. Interesting.

Matthews played less. 57 games total? Something like that.

Brown has played a full AHL season in the past.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 31 @ 9:25 AM ET
This table does not make a lot of sense. The Senators do not have many games left against teams currently sitting in a playoff position. They do end the season with a long string of games on the road. But they have a long string of home games before.
- spatso


But If a team is sitting in a playoff spot right now or not is not an exact correlation to if they are playing well at this moment or how they have played or will play going forward. Its a mistake to just look at the standings and Say Yup Ottawa has it easy the rest of the way.

Hockey is strange.. Teams can play well against "good" teams and poop the bed against weaker teams down the stretch

that model takes into account the schedule and b2b/rested teams etc..

All of this is to say that scheduling impacts results. It’s part of the reason Toronto and Ottawa have done so well through the first 60 per cent of the season while Boston has struggled. But the two Ontario teams will have to deal with a bit more adversity over the next couple of months. They’ve got a lot of games in hand, sure, but those games will be harder to win than they were over the first half.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 31 @ 9:29 AM ET
I figured I'd do a quick check. Marner played 80 games last year and only got better as the games went on in the Memorial Cup. Interesting.

Matthews played less. 57 games total? Something like that.

Brown has played a full AHL season in the past.

- daeth


I think 80 games in jr is very different from 80 games in the NHL........not saying he's going to falter or anything, just that in the NHL it's not just the games, it's morning skates, practices on off days, plus all the travel. you don't have nearly as much of any of those things in jr hockey. if anything I would think the travel is more exhausting than anything else.

I think if any of the rookies will "fatigue" though it's likely going to be Matthews. he only played 40 games last year (plus WJC) so lets say like 46..........he's already past that this year. not saying he will fatigue, but I imagine he's the most likely having never played anywhere near 80 games.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 31 @ 9:29 AM ET
But If a team is sitting in a playoff spot right now or not is not an exact correlation to if they are playing well at this moment or how they have played or will play going forward. Its a mistake to just look at the standings and Say Yup Ottawa has it easy the rest of the way.

Hockey is strange.. Teams can play well against "good" teams and shit the bed against weaker teams down the stretch

that model takes into account the schedule and b2b/rested teams etc..

- senstroll



right the freak on buddy.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 31 @ 9:33 AM ET
I think I heard (on the radio) that the leafs & Sens have something like 35 games remaining, in 69 days, so slightly less than a game every second day on average ...... not leaving much time for practicing for the rest of the season.

Then I guess if you look at each teams' travel schedule, you could say one team has a "harder" schedule than the other.

So I would suggest that this will rest the depth of each team, as fatigue, injury and illness will undoubtedly have an impact on both teams, and roster changes and call ups will be used much more over the rest of the season.


I'm familiar with Ottawas' depth in Binghamton, as there have been a number of call ups over the season so far, but not so much with the leafs depth in the AHL.

- D0PPELGANGER


right.. that has more of an impact than a softer schedule in terms of where a team is in the standings.

I looked at the Sens next 10 games.. and I dont see a lot of guaranteed wins. Sure there are Devils, Islanders and Hurricanes who are not in a playoff spot.. but they are not just poop teams Like Colorado.. they are basically a 3 game winning streak from being a wild card team. The standing are a mirage
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