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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Dec 8 @ 8:08 AM ET
blah blah blah. got thoroughly outplayed again last night. won on a lucky bounce late in the game.
lot more losses lately though. schedule already catching up to them.

- prock


last 10 games..... 6-3-1

keep it up trump, I LOVE IT
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 8 @ 9:04 AM ET
last 10 games..... 6-3-1

keep it up trump, I LOVE IT

- sensarmy_11


I always love the games where announcers marvel at Karlsson's skills, this year they are responding to his defensive talents. Then we get up and get to read Prock and wonder what the game day announcers must be missing.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 8 @ 9:08 AM ET
Suppose we won't hear much from the koolaid gang. Not a good week for the blue and white. They are doing the anticipated December collapse and sinking in the standings and it is just started to resonate in for some of the fans.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 8 @ 9:12 AM ET
Suppose we won't hear much from the koolaid gang. Not a good week for the blue and white. They are doing the anticipated December collapse and sinking in the standings and it is just started to resonate in for some of the fans.
- spatso


Derp
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 8 @ 9:20 AM ET
Suppose we won't hear much from the koolaid gang. Not a good week for the blue and white. They are doing the anticipated December collapse and sinking in the standings and it is just started to resonate in for some of the fans.
- spatso


log off
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 8 @ 9:26 AM ET
log off
- senstroll


I guess some of you blue and white gobpoopes are having a bad hair day based on the sinking feeling in your stomach
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 8 @ 9:32 AM ET
blah blah blah. got thoroughly outplayed again last night. won on a lucky bounce late in the game.
lot more losses lately though. schedule already catching up to them.

- prock



All teams, throughout the course of a season, play a few games that they were totally outplayed, but still managed to win, and an equal number of games that they lose when they totally outplay the other team.

This is normal for all teams, and not unique to one team.

Post all the fancy stats you want, but until the NHL changes the way the award points after a game, it's still all about wins, losses and ties (loser points).

Ottawa currently sitting with the 8th best record in the NHL at .630
toronto currently sitting with the 23rd best record in the NHL at .500


senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 8 @ 9:33 AM ET
I guess some of you blue and white gobpoopes are having a bad hair day based on the sinking feeling in your stomach
- spatso


If you paid attention instead of just listening to yourself talk...not many Leaf fans expect much of anything from this season in regards to playoffs.

the Leafs are where everyone expected them to be .. now log off
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 8 @ 9:35 AM ET
I guess some of you blue and white gobpoopes are having a bad hair day based on the sinking feeling in your stomach
- spatso


coming from the guy who doesn't show up here after a sens loss


senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
All teams, throughout the course of a season, play a few games that they were totally outplayed, but still managed to win, and an equal number of games that they lose when they totally outplay the other team.

This is normal for all teams, and not unique to one team.

Post all the fancy stats you want, but until the NHL changes the way the award points after a game, it's still all about wins, losses and ties (loser points).

Ottawa currently sitting with the 8th best record in the NHL at .630
toronto currently sitting with the 23rd best record in the NHL at .500

- D0PPELGANGER



Sens get outshot 37-16 and win
Leafs outshoot Wild 37-20 and lose

over the long haul you want to be on the side that has 37
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 8 @ 9:41 AM ET
If you paid attention instead of just listening to yourself talk...not many Leaf fans expect much of anything from this season in regards to playoffs.

the Leafs are where everyone expected them to be .. now log off

- senstroll


Maybe some of the fans, but not the leaf players and some of the fans too I suspect.

http://www.tsn.ca/leafs-o...s-after-20-games-1.616960

The Maple Leafs find themselves three points out of a playoff spot through 20 games this season, but the sense in the dressing room is the team is well positioned. "We're right where we want to be," said centre Nazem Kadri, who's tied for the team lead with eight goals. 
"We're very much in the hunt." So, he sees playoff potential? "I don't see why not.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 8 @ 9:43 AM ET
I guess some of you blue and white gobpoopes are having a bad hair day based on the sinking feeling in your stomach
- spatso


there is no sinking feeling in our stomach. the Leafs youth played a phenomenal game last night. they very much dominated. dubnyk played out of his mind.

this year is not about the number of points the Leafs accumulate. we are not contending. no team in the province is. this year is about growth to us, and we are very happy with what our kids are showing.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 8 @ 9:45 AM ET
Sens get outshot 37-16 and win
Leafs outshoot Wild 37-20 and lose

over the long haul you want to be on the side that has 37

- senstroll



Ottawa has now beaten the Sharks in their last six meetings, if I heard correctly last night on the radio.


THW Three Stars

First: Erik Karlsson (goal, two assists)

Second: Mike Condon (35 saves, .946 save percentage)

Third: Jean-Gabriel Pageau (goal, assist)
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 8 @ 9:45 AM ET


Post all the fancy stats you want, but until the NHL changes the way the award points after a game, it's still all about wins, losses and ties (loser points).

- D0PPELGANGER


but it isn't to us. it shouldn't be to you either, but it is, because you're in win now mode.

but you won't win.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 8 @ 9:52 AM ET
but it isn't to us. it shouldn't be to you either, but it is, because you're in win now mode.

but you won't win.

- prock




I had to explain this to another leaf fan, who is also putting forward the false narrative of Ottawa being in a "Win now mode" A.K.A win the cup this season. I guess you didn't comprehend the post when I set him straight and he had to start immediately backpedaling and explaining what he really meant.

Ottawa is NOT in "win now mode" ....... they're in a "make the playoffs mode" and the GM said as much at the beginning of the season.



But don't take my word for it, just read what the Senators GM said back in October

As the Senators prepared to hit the ice for the first time as a team on Tuesday, GM Pierre Dorion dropped by the dressing room to address the troops and outline his expectations. The season gets underway with the Battle of Ontario against the Toronto Maple Leafs on Wednesday night at the Canadian Tire Centre.

After missing the playoffs last year and then making plenty of changes — including the hiring of coach Guy Boucher and acquiring centre Derick Brassard from the New York Rangers — the Senators are determined to get back to the post-season.


http://ottawacitizen.com/...l-on-eve-of-season-opener
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 8 @ 9:56 AM ET
I had to explain this to another leaf fan, who is also putting forward the false narrative of Ottawa being in a "Win now mode" A.K.A win the cup this season. I guess you didn't comprehend the post when I set him straight and he had to start immediately backpedaling and explaining what he really meant.

Ottawa is NOT in "win now mode" ....... they're in a "make the playoffs mode" and the GM said as much at the beginning of the season.



But don't take my word for it, just read what the Senators GM said back in October

As the Senators prepared to hit the ice for the first time as a team on Tuesday, GM Pierre Dorion dropped by the dressing room to address the troops and outline his expectations. The season gets underway with the Battle of Ontario against the Toronto Maple Leafs on Wednesday night at the Canadian Tire Centre.

After missing the playoffs last year and then making plenty of changes — including the hiring of coach Guy Boucher and acquiring centre Derick Brassard from the New York Rangers — the Senators are determined to get back to the post-season.

http://ottawacitizen.com/...l-on-eve-of-season-opener

- D0PPELGANGER


Nobody thinks the sens are in win the Stanley cup mode. As long as melnyk owns the team, they will never be.

The sens are in scrape into the playoffs mode. Everybody knows this.

By season’s end, they’ll be an 85-95 point team; bounced in the 1st round if they happen to get in.

Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Dec 8 @ 9:57 AM ET

SENS
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 8 @ 10:06 AM ET
Maybe some of the fans, but not the leaf players and some of the fans too I suspect.

http://www.tsn.ca/leafs-o...s-after-20-games-1.616960

The Maple Leafs find themselves three points out of a playoff spot through 20 games this season, but the sense in the dressing room is the team is well positioned. "We're right where we want to be," said centre Nazem Kadri, who's tied for the team lead with eight goals. 
"We're very much in the hunt." So, he sees playoff potential? "I don't see why not.

- D0PPELGANGER


Player interviews are also useless..what else is a player going to say.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 8 @ 11:14 AM ET
there is no sinking feeling in our stomach. the Leafs youth played a phenomenal game last night. they very much dominated. dubnyk played out of his mind.

this year is not about the number of points the Leafs accumulate. we are not contending. no team in the province is. this year is about growth to us, and we are very happy with what our kids are showing.

- prock


That is far more positive and realistic.

It can be great fun to see a young team grow itself into a contender. I think the Leafs are going in the right direction. In a few years they will compete for a playoff spot.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 8 @ 12:26 PM ET
This is from an important TSN column by Gary Lawless. TSN editors are setting up a language transition for the world juniors and the 2nd half of the season where they will make a shift and start giving top billing to Laine's remarkable season. This is not insignificant as it is the first time TSN has come up with an above the fold story declaring Laine as the top pick of the draft. The fact they used a Winnipeg writer to do the story in the way they have suggests to me that want to hype Laine and his remarkable World Junior tourney last year.

"To this point, Laine has shown he can elevate to a place Matthews may not be able to reach. Matthews has been a four-star player – literally with a historic four-goal debut and metaphorically – but Laine has shown us moments of five-star excellence. There’s no reason to believe we won’t consistently be awed by Laine’s abilities and achievements. Matthews can do a lot. Laine can do more."
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 8 @ 12:35 PM ET
This is from an important TSN column by Gary Lawless. TSN editors are setting up a language transition for the world juniors and the 2nd half of the season where they will make a shift and start giving top billing to Laine's remarkable season. This is not insignificant as it is the first time TSN has come up with an above the fold story declaring Laine as the top pick of the draft. The fact they used a Winnipeg writer to do the story in the way they have suggests to me that want to hype Laine and his remarkable World Junior tourney last year.

"To this point, Laine has shown he can elevate to a place Matthews may not be able to reach. Matthews has been a four-star player – literally with a historic four-goal debut and metaphorically – but Laine has shown us moments of five-star excellence. There’s no reason to believe we won’t consistently be awed by Laine’s abilities and achievements. Matthews can do a lot. Laine can do more."

- spatso




Still does not change the fact that Matthews was going to be selected first overall regardless of who won the Draft lottery. First line Centers are a valuable commodity, and no one trades them once they have them on their team. You have to draft and develop them.

You're beating a dead horse here, and will never convince anyone that the leafs made the wrong choice ............ no team would have passed on Matthews unless they already had a bonafide number one center in their system, like Edmonton for example.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 8 @ 12:46 PM ET
This is from an important TSN column by Gary Lawless. TSN editors are setting up a language transition for the world juniors and the 2nd half of the season where they will make a shift and start giving top billing to Laine's remarkable season. This is not insignificant as it is the first time TSN has come up with an above the fold story declaring Laine as the top pick of the draft. The fact they used a Winnipeg writer to do the story in the way they have suggests to me that want to hype Laine and his remarkable World Junior tourney last year.

"To this point, Laine has shown he can elevate to a place Matthews may not be able to reach. Matthews has been a four-star player – literally with a historic four-goal debut and metaphorically – but Laine has shown us moments of five-star excellence. There’s no reason to believe we won’t consistently be awed by Laine’s abilities and achievements. Matthews can do a lot. Laine can do more."

- spatso


trash article.. click bait waste of time

someone could just as well write and article saying Matthews has the underlying numbers that are sustainable and dominant, Laine is riding high sh% and unsustainable luck that nobody in the history of the NHL has ever sustained.

I would close out with ... Who do you want Toews/Kopitar dominance and cups or Ovechkin/Kovalchuck flash with No cups

thats also trash though
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 8 @ 1:00 PM ET
trash article.. click bait waste of time

someone could just as well write and article saying Matthews has the underlying numbers that are sustainable and dominant, Laine is riding high sh% and unsustainable luck that nobody in the history of the NHL has ever sustained.

I would close out with ... Who do you want Toews/Kopitar dominance and cups or Ovechkin/Kovalchuck flash with No cups

thats also trash though

- senstroll


I think those are valid points. And, they certainly reflected my opinion before the draft. The writer (Lawless) also agrees with the point and does not diss Matthews in any way other than his stressing Matthews as a 4 star player and Laine likely a 5 star.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 8 @ 1:08 PM ET
This is from an important TSN column by Gary Lawless. TSN editors are setting up a language transition for the world juniors and the 2nd half of the season where they will make a shift and start giving top billing to Laine's remarkable season. This is not insignificant as it is the first time TSN has come up with an above the fold story declaring Laine as the top pick of the draft. The fact they used a Winnipeg writer to do the story in the way they have suggests to me that want to hype Laine and his remarkable World Junior tourney last year.

"To this point, Laine has shown he can elevate to a place Matthews may not be able to reach. Matthews has been a four-star player – literally with a historic four-goal debut and metaphorically – but Laine has shown us moments of five-star excellence. There’s no reason to believe we won’t consistently be awed by Laine’s abilities and achievements. Matthews can do a lot. Laine can do more."

- spatso



D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 8 @ 1:09 PM ET
I think those are valid points. And, they certainly reflected my opinion before the draft. The writer (Lawless) also agrees with the point and does not diss Matthews in any way other than his stressing Matthews as a 4 star player and Laine likely a 5 star.
- spatso



Please .......... do you agree that the leafs made the best selection, at the draft, to fit the needs of a tanked team, that is in 100% re-build mode?

Yes or No?
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