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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 8:54 AM ET
I would not think so. In head to head comparisons on the Calder race I have not seen any panel name anyone other than Laine as the likely winner. And, really important, that includes the Toronto centric broadcasters at TSN and at Sportsnet. Some of the Leaf fans here are starting to make out like the Buffalo fans of last year trying to insist that Eichal was proving out to be the better choice over McDavid.
- spatso


So you're saying a one dimensional offensive winger is more important to a team than a 1st line centre who's good both offensively and defensively?

Marner has more PPG than Laine which is surprising
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 8:56 AM ET
Coming from the creator of Pagiroux. .....you're really butt hurt.

Cause it's easy to troll Laine vs Matthews. Can't exactly troll Marner Matthews and Nylander with Chabot Lazar and Brown.

So guess Leafs are in a better situation.

- systemtool


It's very hard to know Spatso's position on Matthews vs Laine. He changes his mind daily and it's hard to keep up. He flip flops, as he does with which team he supports each week.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 3 @ 8:57 AM ET
So you're saying a one dimensional offensive winger is more important to a team than a 1st line centre who's good both offensively and defensively?

Marner has more PPG than Laine which is surprising

- walshyleafsfan



Notice the PP points and ice time?

Leafs have 5 or 6 players in top 20 rookies. Calder shmalder. Sens have 0 in the top 80. Stopped checking after that.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 3 @ 8:59 AM ET
It's very hard to know Spatso's position on Matthews vs Laine. He changes his mind daily and it's hard to keep up. He flip flops, as he does with which team he supports each week.
- walshyleafsfan


He's jealous of the Leafs 3 rookies. He wants to troll them hard. The Sens offer up nothing in comprison, or ammo for him to use against them so he's clutching to the one and only thing he can. Laine vs Matthews. I love Laine and wish we had him too, but I love Matthews more and Marner makes Laine less of a factor. Whether it's Laine or Matthews, the best part is that neither play for the Sens.

Ironically neither do any other of the games young stars.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 9:00 AM ET
Notice the PP points and ice time?

Leafs have 5 or 6 players in top 20 rookies. Calder shmalder. Sens have 0 in the top 80. Stopped checking after that.

- systemtool



You need to scroll down more.

Anywho, I think Spatso is a Jets fan now?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 3 @ 9:05 AM ET


You need to scroll down more.

Anywho, I think Spatso is a Jets fan now?

- walshyleafsfan



He may be. I think he sees the lack of a future with the Sens. Years ahead of little other than 2-3 guys. A collection of b listers and jabrones.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 9:13 AM ET
He may be. I think he sees the lack of a future with the Sens. Years ahead of little other than 2-3 guys. A collection of b listers and jabrones.
- systemtool

It is strange seeing someone troll a fan base because they believe a 3rd party has better players.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 3 @ 10:10 AM ET
I would not think so. In head to head comparisons on the Calder race I have not seen any panel name anyone other than Laine as the likely winner. And, really important, that includes the Toronto centric broadcasters at TSN and at Sportsnet. Some of the Leaf fans here are starting to make out like the Buffalo fans of last year trying to insist that Eichal was proving out to be the better choice over McDavid.
- spatso


The difference is that Matthews went #1 overall over Laine. Eichel did not go #1 over MCDavid. And Matthews is only behind Laine by 3 points and has better stats in every other category.

And "Toronto Centric" LOL. Those guys NEVER pick the Leafs to win anything. It's like TSN and SN are afraid of the emails from fans like yourself so they never pick the Leafs player.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 3 @ 10:44 AM ET
He probably said the same things about Kalrsson when he wasn't even in the Calder nomations and Tyler Myers beat him for the award.

But Myers also beat out Benn Duchene Rask Hedman and Tavares so he's better than them too.

Truth is nobody but Spatso cares who wins the Calder. I sure don't. I just want the Leafs future players to have good to great careers. As long as this http://www.nhl.com/stats/...sort=points,goals,assists I'm okay with a Leaf not winning the Calder. Though Marner seems as good if not better stats wise vs Laine.

Youll also notice with that link....ok notice may not be the right word....you'll also want to note the absence of Sens players in the league rookie scoring race.

- systemtool

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...d,gte,&sort=pointsPerGame

Marner technically has a higher points per game than Laine too, not that it matters.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 3 @ 5:34 PM ET
I am really busy at work and don't have the chance to post as often as I do. I was clearly on the record of saying the Leafs should take Matthews in the draft. All I was suggesting was that I may have been wrong.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 3 @ 6:20 PM ET
He may be. I think he sees the lack of a future with the Sens. Years ahead of little other than 2-3 guys. A collection of b listers and jabrones.
- systemtool


He claims he left the Leafs because of inept management.

it would only make sense that he jump ship from the Sens.

would you wanna be a fan of that tire fire?
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 3 @ 7:37 PM ET
I am really busy at work and don't have the chance to post as often as I do. I was clearly on the record of saying the Leafs should take Matthews in the draft. All I was suggesting was that I may have been wrong.
- spatso


You build around a #1 C, not a one-dimensional winger. If the Leafs had that #1 C already with no Marner and Nylander ready to go, maybe, but they did not. They would never get that chance again. With the Kessel experiment we saw how well that worked. Laine's advanced stats are terrible and he's barely outscoring Matthews.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 3 @ 10:05 PM ET
He claims he left the Leafs because of inept management.

it would only make sense that he jump ship from the Sens.

would you wanna be a fan of that tire fire?

- prock


You did notice that the Sens are within 2 points of catching Montreal.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 3 @ 11:06 PM ET
You did notice that the Sens are within 2 points of catching Montreal.
- spatso


And within 3-4 points of being out of the playoffs. Noticed that too.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:54 AM ET
And within 3-4 points of being out of the playoffs. Noticed that too.
- systemtool


It must be so sad, always hoping against hope. There is probably a clinical diagnosis that is appropriate and may apply in these circumstances but I don't think it can be asserted in the context of a sporting thread. However, it does cause me to wonder if you have been unhappy for a long time or do you think this is primarily situational and the result of a specific set of definable circumstances?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 4 @ 7:58 AM ET
It must be so sad, always hoping against hope. There is probably a clinical diagnosis that is appropriate and may apply in these circumstances but I don't think it can be asserted in the context of a sporting thread. However, it does cause me to wonder if you have been unhappy for a long time or do you think this is primarily situational and the result of a specific set of definable circumstances?
- spatso



I love it when you get rattled.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Dec 4 @ 8:14 AM ET


I love it when you get rattled.

- Feeling Glucky?


I love that the only comeback you guys have had for anyone over the last 10 pages of this thread is "you're rattled".
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 4 @ 8:30 AM ET
It must be so sad, always hoping against hope. There is probably a clinical diagnosis that is appropriate and may apply in these circumstances but I don't think it can be asserted in the context of a sporting thread. However, it does cause me to wonder if you have been unhappy for a long time or do you think this is primarily situational and the result of a specific set of definable circumstances?
- spatso


So this pretty much explains your strange obsession with Laine. Because you really don't care about him. The Jets. Or anything else related to Laine. What you do care about is that he's better than Matthews so that you can feel better about the unhappiness that pick has brought on you.

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 4 @ 8:31 AM ET
I love that the only comeback you guys have had for anyone over the last 10 pages of this thread is "you're rattled".
- sensarmy_11


There have been a plethora of.come backs. Spatso spits alot. But really, your boys do get rattled quite often.

The odd thing is D00ps and Spaltso hardly ever post in the Sens thread. Just come to HB to hate the Leafs. They must be really unhappy people.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 4 @ 9:00 AM ET
There have been a plethora of.come backs. Spatso spits alot. But really, your boys do get rattled quite often.

The odd thing is D00ps and Spaltso hardly ever post in the Sens thread. Just come to HB to hate the Leafs. They must be really unhappy people.

- systemtool




That's funny coming from you. All you do, in every post is say something negative about the Sens, and or insult a Sens fan who post in this forum.

But that has to be expected when the leafs have been the second best team in Ontario for approximately the past dozen years.

Ottawa currently has the 6th best record in the NHL, and the leafs have the 19th best record.

Clearly the Sens are still the better of the two teams, and are dealing with a number of injuries, some off ice issues and as of lately seem to have a couple of AHL call ups in their line up. Logically one would think that if and when they get their injured players back into the line up they should at least be able keep playing the level of hockey that they've been playing to this point.


Now you can reply with all kinds of negativity ( attendance, fewer prospects, train rides or whatever) as you always do ................. but it does not change the fact that the Senators are still playing better hockey, producing more points, than the leafs are, at this time.

When you totally ignore difference in the current standings, when comparing the two teams by saying things like "they're 5 points from not being in the playoffs " and that somehow is supposed to prove the leafs are in a better position.............. the leafs are already out of the playoffs!!! Don't you realize how foolish that is?

I guess when you're so clearly rattled, when you look at the standings, you throw logic and reason out the window, and are compelled to post something negative ( in your mind only) about the Senators, without noticing that it actually makes the leafs look worse to anyone with a modicum of hockey sense.

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 4 @ 9:03 AM ET
That's funny coming from you. All you do, in every post is say something negative about the Sens, and or insult a Sens fan who post in this forum.

But that has to be expected when the leafs have been the second best team in Ontario for approximately the past dozen years.

Ottawa currently has the 6th best record in the NHL, and the leafs have the 19th best record.

Clearly the Sens are still the better of the two teams, and are dealing with a number of injuries, some off ice issues and as of lately seem to have a couple of AHL call ups in their line up. Logically one would think that if and when they get their injured players back into the line up they should at least be able keep playing the level of hockey that they've been playing to this point.


Now you can reply with all kinds of negativity ( attendance, fewer prospects, train rides or whatever) as you always do ................. but it does not change the fact that the Senators are still playing better hockey, producing more points, than the leafs are, at this time.

When you totally ignore difference in the current standings, when comparing the two teams by saying things like "they're 5 points from not being in the playoffs " and that somehow is supposed to prove the leafs are in a better position.............. the leafs are already out of the playoffs!!! Don't you realize how foolish that is?

I guess when you're so clearly rattled, when you look at the standings, you throw logic and reason out the window, and are compelled to post something negative ( in your mind only) about the Senators, without noticing that it actually makes the leafs look worse to anyone with a modicum of hockey sense.

- D0PPELGANGER



Holy (frank)ing rattled. Jesus H Christ. Say a prayer and lay down for an hour with your eyes closed.

Sean should be better this year. They're in win now mode battling for 9th. Leafs are still rebuilding. Better situation though..that's different. I guess when your core is closer to 30 year old players than 20 year old players your view on things can be very short sighted.

Don't get so rattled. It's just hockey. Go to the Sens thread and join the cheerleaders. It'll calm you down.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Dec 4 @ 9:06 AM ET
There have been a plethora of.come backs. Spatso spits alot. But really, your boys do get rattled quite often.

The odd thing is D00ps and Spaltso hardly ever post in the Sens thread. Just come to HB to hate the Leafs. They must be really unhappy people.

- systemtool


that's why i think that doops and prock are the same person (split personality) cuz neither one posts in the main threads, just troll the forums where they know they can't/won't get banned
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 4 @ 9:10 AM ET
that's why i think that doops and prock are the same person (split personality) cuz neither one posts in the main threads, just troll the forums where they know they can't/won't get banned
- sensarmy_11


Prock is a (frank)ing idiot. You're right. He just trolls and doesn't contribute anything to the Leaf thread. D00ps is the same. Spatso too but to a lesser degree. None of them actually sit and discuss their teams with like minded fans. While I love to hate the Sens, sports rivalries are fun, the majority of my time in hb is spent discussing the Leafs with Leaf fans in the Lead thread.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 4 @ 9:19 AM ET
Holy (frank)ing rattled. Jesus H Christ. Say a prayer and lay down for an hour with your eyes closed.

Sean should be better this year. They're in win now mode battling for 9th. Leafs are still rebuilding. Better situation though..that's different.

Don't get so rattled. It's just hockey. Go to the Sens thread and join the cheerleaders. It'll calm you down.

- systemtool



Again, there you go with your false narrative of "win now mode" A.K.A. win the Cup this season, in order for all your "doesn't hold any water" takes on how the leafs are somehow in a better position.

The Senator management has NOT set their goal this year as "win the Cup now", they clearly stated many times now, that their goal is to make the playoffs, but you purposely refuse to acknowledge that............. because reality does NOT fit your false narrative and you can't bear to lose face I guess.



But don't take my word for it, just read what the Senators GM said back in October

As the Senators prepared to hit the ice for the first time as a team on Tuesday, GM Pierre Dorion dropped by the dressing room to address the troops and outline his expectations. The season gets underway with the Battle of Ontario against the Toronto Maple Leafs on Wednesday night at the Canadian Tire Centre.

After missing the playoffs last year and then making plenty of changes — including the hiring of coach Guy Boucher and acquiring centre Derick Brassard from the New York Rangers — the Senators are determined to get back to the post-season.


http://ottawacitizen.com/...l-on-eve-of-season-opener
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 4 @ 9:24 AM ET
that's why i think that doops and prock are the same person (split personality) cuz neither one posts in the main threads, just troll the forums where they know they can't/won't get banned
- sensarmy_11




with all due respect, I am one person, not two, and have been debating prock for years on this site.

there is a clear difference between us, his complete intricate knowledge of the leafs and their prospects is incredible .......... I don't follow the leafs other than some highlights, and whenever they play the Senators.

Pock has been banned numerous times over the years, while I might have been once.



Plus, whenever I travel, I don't post here for a week or two, and prock does.

If I want to converse with other Senator fans, this website, and its forums is not the place to do it, I do that at HFBoards.

As for the Sens forum ......... I've created 8 of the top 12 threads, and if you've bothered to check them out, there has been zero activity in any of the threads for months .......... and that's why I spend my time in this forum.
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