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Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 27 @ 10:43 PM ET

Are The Senators a Dark Horse in the East?
http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=2155511
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 10:56 PM ET
Getting veterans for younger players and assets. Trading picks and prospects for immediate help. Isn't that pretty much the only definition?
- systemtool


No.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 10:59 PM ET
Overpaid players aren't a big deal in Ottawa as long as the remaining salary is less than the cap hit. You know being cheap and all that.
- daeth



So it would be better if the Cap hit was lower, and the actual salary was higher, even though there are only two teams with lower Cap hits (in total).

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 27 @ 11:08 PM ET
No.
- D0PPELGANGER


Oh
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 11:14 PM ET
No.
- D0PPELGANGER


So.....yes then?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 11:17 PM ET
Great time in general for the city of Ottawa. CFL champs and weekend hockey sweep. Hat trick weekend complete. Hats off to Ottawa. Enjoy the good times.
- systemtool




After 22 games last season, the Sens had 29 points ........... the same number as this season (after 22 games) ....... with the only difference being 2 more Wins than last season ................... 4 loser points last season, 1 loser point this season.

Still 3/4 of the season to go, so I am not one to count the chickens before they hatch.

They're heading out on a tough road trip (next week) Pitt/SJS/LAK/ANA, and how that goes will really tell me if the "new system" has made a difference or not ............ so far there are signs of improvements, but the PP% is still way way to low and needs to improve sooner rather than later.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 11:18 PM ET
So.....yes then?
- systemtool


No, it's not the only definition
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 11:21 PM ET
No, it's not the only definition
- D0PPELGANGER


Well aside from cap issues and personal issues can you site why trading young players, picks and prospecs for guys in their 30s or soon to be, means something other than trying to win now?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 11:22 PM ET
After 22 games last season, the Sens had 29 points ........... the same number as this season (after 22 games) ....... with the only difference being 2 more Wins than last season ................... 4 loser points last season, 1 loser point this season.

Still 3/4 of the season to go, so I am not one to count the chickens before they hatch.

They're heading out on a tough road trip (next week) Pitt/SJS/LAK/ANA, and how that goes will really tell me if the "new system" has made a difference or not ............ so far there are signs of improvements, but the PP% is still way way to low and needs to improve sooner rather than later.

- D0PPELGANGER



The new system sucks. I'm way better.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Nov 28 @ 5:25 AM ET
Well aside from cap issues and personal issues can you site why trading young players, picks and prospecs for guys in their 30s or soon to be, means something other than trying to win now?
- systemtool

They will flip phaneuf for 3 firsts you idiot
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 28 @ 5:32 AM ET
So it would be better if the Cap hit was lower, and the actual salary was higher, even though there are only two teams with lower Cap hits (in total).
- D0PPELGANGER

If you're a team trying to win a cup yes, that would be preferred.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 28 @ 5:33 AM ET
Are The Senators a Dark Horse in the East?
http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=2155511

- Nucker101

Yes
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 28 @ 6:31 AM ET
After 22 games last season, the Sens had 29 points ........... the same number as this season (after 22 games) ....... with the only difference being 2 more Wins than last season ................... 4 loser points last season, 1 loser point this season.

Still 3/4 of the season to go, so I am not one to count the chickens before they hatch.

They're heading out on a tough road trip (next week) Pitt/SJS/LAK/ANA, and how that goes will really tell me if the "new system" has made a difference or not ............ so far there are signs of improvements, but the PP% is still way way to low and needs to improve sooner rather than later.

- D0PPELGANGER


And, as soon as Turris was hurt last year the Sens started getting ripped playing their run and gun style.

Karlsson believes in this system and he goes after the guys who are not pulling their weight. Not nearly enough credit is being given to the leadership group for making the new system work.


I also think a lot of credit has to be given to Phaneuf and the role he plays in supporting Karlsson both on and off the ice. Have noticed that Boucher often starts Phaneuf and Ceci against the other teams first line.

Al McGuire (the college basketball coach) called the last 10 minutes of any game at any level "showtime." He thought the job of the coach was to keep the game close until then, keep your star players fresh and then cut them loose so your stars can be stars when it really matters. A fresh Karlsson and Turris in the third period and especially overtime has been very, very good.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Nov 28 @ 7:08 AM ET
I hear the Sens are going to raise a banner in honour of "their" grey cup victory.

Expect Spartans.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 28 @ 11:24 AM ET
I hear the Sens are going to raise a banner in honour of "their" grey cup victory.

Expect Spartans.

- Feeling Glucky?


wow....that might be the most pathetic attempt at trolling on a website that includes guys like prock, dopps, and rogerroeper

congrats man
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Nov 28 @ 1:21 PM ET
wow....that might be the most pathetic attempt at trolling on a website that includes guys like prock, dopps, and rogerroeper

congrats man

- sensarmy_11

Sens have a history of honouring another franchise's history as their own.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Nov 28 @ 1:25 PM ET
If you're a team trying to win a cup yes, that would be preferred.
- daeth

Not even sure how that's in question.

So many teams were signing players to contracts that had lower cap hits than their real salary, that the NHL had to make multiple rule adjustments to weed it out.

However, for the Senators, a team that has no cup ambition, and only exists to fund Melnyk's extended vacation... taking other team's high-cap players with lower actual salaries makes sense, as Dopps has argued in the past.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 28 @ 1:29 PM ET
wow....that might be the most pathetic attempt at trolling on a website that includes guys like prock, dopps, and rogerroeper

congrats man

- sensarmy_11



I've asked the question of some fans of other teams. so far, the Columbus Blue Jackets prefer David Clarkson and his contract, not playing, to Bobby Ryan and his.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 28 @ 1:32 PM ET
Sens have a history of honouring another franchise's history as their own.
- Feeling Glucky?


do tell.....how do they "honour it as their own"?

either they honour it.....or they claim it as their own.

by hanging the banners they are honouring the memory of a past franchise, not claiming it as their own.

well done though, just adding to the pathetic troll attempt. keep it up
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 28 @ 1:32 PM ET
I've asked the question of some fans of other teams. so far, the Columbus Blue Jackets prefer David Clarkson and his contract, not playing, to Bobby Ryan and his.
- prock


sure they do
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 28 @ 1:32 PM ET
I've asked the question of some fans of other teams. so far, the Columbus Blue Jackets prefer David Clarkson and his contract, not playing, to Bobby Ryan and his.
- prock

I think every contender would agree with that thought.

Now if you're on a budget and don't plan on spending anywhere near the cap ceiling then Ryan would be the better choice.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 28 @ 1:33 PM ET
do tell.....how do they "honour it as their own"?

either they honour it.....or they claim it as their own.

by hanging the banners they are honouring the memory of a past franchise, not claiming it as their own.

well done though, just adding to the pathetic troll attempt. keep it up

- sensarmy_11



isn't that what he said?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 28 @ 1:34 PM ET
isn't that what he said?
- prock


you can't "honour something as your own".....they're honouring an old franchise, not claiming their titles as their own.

you tell us all the time how awesome and successful you are, thought you'd be smart enough to figure that out......
Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Nov 28 @ 1:36 PM ET

SENS
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 28 @ 1:36 PM ET
you can't "honour something as your own".....they're honouring an old franchise, not claiming their titles as their own.

you tell us all the time how awesome and successful you are, thought you'd be smart enough to figure that out......

- sensarmy_11



ahh, I see, it's the last part of his statement you take issue with, not the whole thing.

Sometimes it's hard to decipher what people less intelligent than yourself are trying to articulate.
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