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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 27 @ 9:13 AM ET



though it's not like ottawa has shown that they have the ability to make good draft selections like that anyway

- daeth


Seriously right.......guys like Karlsson, stone, Hoffman.....awful.

Remind us again how the Leafs have drafted with pick outside the top 10...
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:21 AM ET



though it's not like ottawa has shown that they have the ability to make good draft selections like that anyway

- daeth


Really have Leafed the draft in recent years. Either traded players they drafted, drafted busts or traded the picks.
daeth
Nashville Predators
Location: shambles, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 27 @ 9:22 AM ET
Really have Leafed the draft in recent years. Either traded players they drafted, drafted busts or traded the picks.
- systemtool

The coveted 9th place spot hasn't helped them unleaf their picks either.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 9:23 AM ET
not sure. but st Louis sure is glad you traded for him.
- prock


Don't forget, St Louis had to wait and extra two years for him to finish out his KHL Contract before he became available to them .......... something Ottawa was not prepared to do .......... but I've explained this to you before, right.

Do you remember the trade for Tom Kurvers?



Or the one for Andrew Raycroft?

daeth
Nashville Predators
Location: shambles, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 27 @ 9:23 AM ET
Seriously right.......guys like Karlsson, stone, Hoffman.....awful.

Remind us again how the Leafs have drafted with pick outside the top 10...

- sensarmy_11

if you're going to participate in this troll-off you need to copy/paste articles or post gifs
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:25 AM ET
Don't forget, St Louis had to wait and extra two years for him to finish out his KHL Contract before he became available to them .......... something Ottawa was not prepared to do .......... but I've explained this to you before, right.

Do you remember the trade for Tom Kurvers?



Or the one for Andrew Raycroft?

- D0PPELGANGER



So Ottawa didn't want to wait 2 years for a prospect? Pretty stupid if you ask me.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:27 AM ET
Don't forget, St Louis had to wait and extra two years for him to finish out his KHL Contract before he became available to them .......... something Ottawa was not prepared to do .......... but I've explained this to you before, right.

Do you remember the trade for Tom Kurvers?



Or the one for Andrew Raycroft?


- D0PPELGANGER



Hmmm the Raycroft one...I kind of remember that. Wasn't that around when that team, forget who they are now, chose Redden over Chara?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 27 @ 9:33 AM ET
Hmmm the Raycroft one...I kind of remember that. Wasn't that around when that team, forget who they are now, chose Redden over Chara?
- systemtool


If you're gonna troll at least learn what happened......both were offered contracts, one accepted and one didn't. Troll fail
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:37 AM ET
If you're gonna troll at least learn what happened......both were offered contracts, one accepted and one didn't. Troll fail
- sensarmy_11



If you're going to cry on my shoulder at least wipe your snot. Horrible for the Sens to let Chara go just to secure Redden. I can see why you're upset.

"I wanted to stay here," Chara told the Sun. "I'm very disappointed. I thought Ottawa would be really aggressive and they would really show it. In the last nine days before July 1st, we never received a phone call. Myself and (agent) Matt (Keator) were just sitting there and making all the calls. We told them, 'Let's talk and let's negotiate.' They said:' 'Six million, you sign it or we're going to go the other way.' They did. They chose Wade (Redden). That's great. He's an unbelievable player and a great guy. He's a good leader and they made the right decision. They are saying that Wade took less to stay in Ottawa, but we both got offered $6 million and he didn't take less because he took $6.5 million."



Excuse fail.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 9:38 AM ET
Hmmm the Raycroft one...I kind of remember that. Wasn't that around when that team, forget who they are now, chose Redden over Chara?
- systemtool



Still am surprised that the leafs secured Tom Kurvers and let Scott Niedermayer go
??
daeth
Nashville Predators
Location: shambles, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 27 @ 9:39 AM ET
Still am surprised that the leafs preferred Tom Kurvers over Scott Niedermayer??

- D0PPELGANGER

I think had they seen Niedermayer play in the NHL they might have considered keeping him over Kurvers. This was the early 90s Leafs though so maybe not.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:41 AM ET
Still am surprised that the leafs secured Tom Kurvers and let Scott Niedermayer go
??

- D0PPELGANGER



How many points does Ryan have compared to Silfverberg? A Brassard to Zibby? So surprised. I mean Tarasenko and Chara suck. Sure.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:44 AM ET
I think had they seen Niedermayer play in the NHL they might have considered keeping him over Kurvers. This was the early 90s Leafs though so maybe not.
- daeth



Totally makes Sens to bring up a 20 plus year old trade because Tarasenko is better than Turris.
daeth
Nashville Predators
Location: shambles, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 27 @ 9:47 AM ET
Totally makes Sens to bring up a 20 plus year old trade because Tarasenko is better than Turris.
- systemtool

Well if we're bringing up Chara we might as well go back another decade or two I guess lol
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 9:48 AM ET
If you're going to cry on my shoulder at least wipe your snot. Horrible for the Sens to let Chara go just to secure Redden. I can see why you're upset.

"I wanted to stay here," Chara told the Sun. "I'm very disappointed. I thought Ottawa would be really aggressive and they would really show it. In the last nine days before July 1st, we never received a phone call. Myself and (agent) Matt (Keator) were just sitting there and making all the calls. We told them, 'Let's talk and let's negotiate.' They said:' 'Six million, you sign it or we're going to go the other way.' They did. They chose Wade (Redden). That's great. He's an unbelievable player and a great guy. He's a good leader and they made the right decision. They are saying that Wade took less to stay in Ottawa, but we both got offered $6 million and he didn't take less because he took $6.5 million."



Excuse fail.

- systemtool




Again, that is Chara and his agents version of what transpired. Chara was offered the same contract as Redden....... the Senators were prepared to sign both players, but Chara demanded the Team Captaincy be taken from Alfredsson and given to him .............. a point they neglected to include in the article you posted, and that was the never going to happen, and the had a better ( The Captaincy and a five-year, $37.5M) offer from the Bruins in their back-pocket.
daeth
Nashville Predators
Location: shambles, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 27 @ 9:48 AM ET
How many points does Ryan have compared to Silfverberg? A Brassard to Zibby? So surprised. I mean Tarasenko and Chara suck. Sure.
- systemtool

Silfverberg had 18 points in 16 games in the 14-15 playoffs
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:49 AM ET
Well if we're bringing up Chara we might as well go back another decade or two I guess lol
- daeth


Chara came up after Kurvers to be fair. I'm all for keeping it current. But it's not enough ammo for the Sens since they're being run by Eugene Ballard these days and the Leafs are being run properly.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 27 @ 9:50 AM ET
I think had they seen Niedermayer play in the NHL they might have considered keeping him over Kurvers. This was the early 90s Leafs though so maybe not.
- daeth



Had they seen Rask play in the NHL, would they have considered him over Raycroft?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:51 AM ET
Again, that is Chara and his agents version of what transpired. Chara was offered the same contract as Redden....... the Senators were prepared to sign both players, but Chara demanded the Team Captaincy be taken from Alfredsson and given to him .............. a point they neglected to include in the article you posted, and that was the never going to happen, and the had a better ( The Captaincy and a five-year, $37.5M) offer from the Bruins in their back-pocket.
- D0PPELGANGER


I'll take Chara words over yours. Hope you can understood why.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:52 AM ET
Had they seen Rask play in the NHL, would they have considered him over Raycroft?
- D0PPELGANGER


About as much as anyone saw Bishop play. Probably wouldn't have went after Conacher
daeth
Nashville Predators
Location: shambles, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 27 @ 9:53 AM ET
Had they seen Rask play in the NHL, would they have considered him over Raycroft?
- D0PPELGANGER

Current Leafs management, yes. JFJ? No clue. I have heard that he was forced to "win now" by ownership rather than rebuild like he wanted at the time though so maybe he wasn't given a fair chance as GM. I think Murray would understand the position he was in quite well.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:55 AM ET
Silfverberg had 18 points in 16 games in the 14-15 playoffs
- daeth



Ahead of Ryan this year in points too.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Adding veteran blueliner Dan Girardiā€¦ that is a good move" - MiB, AB
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 27 @ 9:57 AM ET
I'll take Chara words over yours. Hope you can understood why.
- systemtool


I dunno man, clearly D0pps knows better...
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Adding veteran blueliner Dan Girardiā€¦ that is a good move" - MiB, AB
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 27 @ 9:59 AM ET
About as much as anyone saw Bishop play. Probably wouldn't have went after Conacher
- systemtool


Personally, I'd rather have Conacher
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Nov 27 @ 9:59 AM ET
Personally, I'd rather have Conacher
- lumlums

lets not forget Pagiroux!
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