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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 2:57 PM ET
None. I don't go to sporting events. Not my thing.
- systemtool



You must admit, it's ironic, in one breath, these fools go on about "it's all suits at the ACC", and then "look at what you pay for tickets".

Do you really think they're paying for those tickets? Nope. They're provided by companies, or written off by many attending.

And when you think about it, if a company writes off a $400 ticket, it lowers their corporate profit by that $400 (plus beer!), and hence, the taxes that company pays. Which, in the end, lowers the tax coffers, and the cost is spread across the population of Canada.

So hey Dopps, you loser, you're paying for me to go to Leaf games and drink beer. Hahahahaahahah.

And then, the Leaf fans who can’t afford tickets at the game, see some nice cheap available tickets in Ottawa, and go on road trips.

End result – Sens fans end up paying for the wealthy Leaf fans to go to games and drink beer, and yet they still owe their existence to the Leafs, and the fans who don’t pay the high prices, as if they didn’t go, that sad sack franchise would probably fold.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
You must admit, it's ironic, in one breath, these fools go on about "it's all suits at the ACC", and then "look at what you pay for tickets".

Do you really think they're paying for those tickets? Nope. They're provided by companies, or written off by many attending.

And when you think about it, if a company writes off a $400 ticket, it lowers their corporate profit by that $400 (plus beer!), and hence, the taxes that company pays. Which, in the end, lowers the tax coffers, and the cost is spread across the population of Canada.

So hey Dopps, you loser, you're paying for me to go to Leaf games and drink beer. Hahahahaahahah.

And then, the Leaf fans who can’t afford tickets at the game, see some nice cheap available tickets in Ottawa, and go on road trips.

End result – Sens fans end up paying for the wealthy Leaf fans to go to games and drink beer, and yet they still owe their existence to the Leafs, and the fans who don’t pay the high prices, as if they didn’t go, that sad sack franchise would probably fold.

- prock


This doesn't make any sense.


Dopps doesn't have a job.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 27 @ 3:29 PM ET
You must admit, it's ironic, in one breath, these fools go on about "it's all suits at the ACC", and then "look at what you pay for tickets".

Do you really think they're paying for those tickets? Nope. They're provided by companies, or written off by many attending.

And when you think about it, if a company writes off a $400 ticket, it lowers their corporate profit by that $400 (plus beer!), and hence, the taxes that company pays. Which, in the end, lowers the tax coffers, and the cost is spread across the population of Canada.

So hey Dopps, you loser, you're paying for me to go to Leaf games and drink beer. Hahahahaahahah.

And then, the Leaf fans who can’t afford tickets at the game, see some nice cheap available tickets in Ottawa, and go on road trips.

End result – Sens fans end up paying for the wealthy Leaf fans to go to games and drink beer, and yet they still owe their existence to the Leafs, and the fans who don’t pay the high prices, as if they didn’t go, that sad sack franchise would probably fold.

- prock


i don't know why you do the dumber than a fence post routine. We all know that you know better

Canadian Census Metropolitan Areas ranked by median family income[edit]

Rank Metropolitan Area Population MedianFamily Income

1 Ottawa CMA 1,236,324 $94,700
2 Calgary CMA 1,214,839 $89,490
3 Edmonton CMA 1,159,869 $87,930
4 Regina CMA 210,556 $84,890
5 Oshawa 149,607 $82,270
6 Saskatoon CMA 260,600 $80,570
7 St John's, NL CMA 196,966 $78,210
8 Victoria, BC CMA 344,630 $77,820
9 Kingston, ON CMA 159,561 $77,140
10 Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo CMA 477,160 $77,040
11 Hamilton CMA 721,053 $76,730
12 Greater Sudbury CMA 160,770 $76,710
13 Halifax CMA 390,096 $76,500
14 Quebec, QC CMA 765,706 $76,450
15 Thunder Bay CMA 121,596 $75,640
16 Winnipeg CMA 730,018 $72,050
17 London, ON CMA 474,786 $71,840
18 Windsor, ON CMA 319,246 $69,480
19 Saguenay, QC CMA 157,790 $69,340
20 Saint John, NB CMA 127,761 $69,100
21 Toronto CMA 5,583,064 $68,110
22 Vancouver CMA 2,313,328 $67,090
23 Montreal CMA 3,824,221 $67,010
24 St. Catharines–Niagara CMA 392,184 $65,900
25 Trois-Rivières, QC CMA 151,773 $63,510
26 Sherbrooke, QC CMA 201,890 $63,360
27 Abbotsford-Mission, BC CMA 170,191 $62,320

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 3:31 PM ET
i don't know why you do the dumber than a fence post routine. We all know that you know better

Canadian Census Metropolitan Areas ranked by median family income

- spatso[edit]

Rank Metropolitan Area Population MedianFamily Income

1 Ottawa CMA 1,236,324 $94,700
2 Calgary CMA 1,214,839 $89,490
3 Edmonton CMA 1,159,869 $87,930
4 Regina CMA 210,556 $84,890
5 Oshawa 149,607 $82,270
6 Saskatoon CMA 260,600 $80,570
7 St John's, NL CMA 196,966 $78,210
8 Victoria, BC CMA 344,630 $77,820
9 Kingston, ON CMA 159,561 $77,140
10 Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo CMA 477,160 $77,040
11 Hamilton CMA 721,053 $76,730
12 Greater Sudbury CMA 160,770 $76,710
13 Halifax CMA 390,096 $76,500
14 Quebec, QC CMA 765,706 $76,450
15 Thunder Bay CMA 121,596 $75,640
16 Winnipeg CMA 730,018 $72,050
17 London, ON CMA 474,786 $71,840
18 Windsor, ON CMA 319,246 $69,480
19 Saguenay, QC CMA 157,790 $69,340
20 Saint John, NB CMA 127,761 $69,100
21 Toronto CMA 5,583,064 $68,110
22 Vancouver CMA 2,313,328 $67,090
23 Montreal CMA 3,824,221 $67,010
24 St. Catharines–Niagara CMA 392,184 $65,900
25 Trois-Rivières, QC CMA 151,773 $63,510
26 Sherbrooke, QC CMA 201,890 $63,360
27 Abbotsford-Mission, BC CMA 170,191 $62,320


What relevance is this?

Unless you're trying to tell us that Ottawa citizens actually pay MORE than we do for Leaf fans to go to their games?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 27 @ 3:53 PM ET
What relevance is this?

Unless you're trying to tell us that Ottawa citizens actually pay MORE than we do for Leaf fans to go to their games?

- prock


It was your reference to wealthy Leaf fans being subsidized by Ottawa fans that I thought was kind of distorted. This is not an issue of financial well being of the community. it is about demand based on population. The GTA/Ottawa population ratio is close to 5:1. All other factors are essentially trivial.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 4:02 PM ET
It was your reference to wealthy Leaf fans being subsidized by Ottawa fans that I thought was kind of distorted. This is not an issue of financial well being of the community. it is about demand based on population. The GTA/Ottawa population ratio is close to 5:1. All other factors are essentially trivial.
- spatso



And you're calling ME dumb as a post? The average salaries of the two cities is totally irrelevant to the "suits", a term that OTHER fan bases like to use, ATTENDING the game.

The comment was on the cost of the tickets, as everyone else loves to point out, for the "suits" to attend Leaf games, is very rarely paid for by the suits themselves. They're corporate tickets, and if you can't see that as tax writeoffs, are to an extent paid for by the entire tax paying population, you're the one that is dumb as a post.

Smarten up, chump. I'm smarter than you, so don't try that with me.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 27 @ 4:25 PM ET
And you're calling ME dumb as a post? The average salaries of the two cities is totally irrelevant to the "suits", a term that OTHER fan bases like to use, ATTENDING the game.

The comment was on the cost of the tickets, as everyone else loves to point out, for the "suits" to attend Leaf games, is very rarely paid for by the suits themselves. They're corporate tickets, and if you can't see that as tax writeoffs, are to an extent paid for by the entire tax paying population, you're the one that is dumb as a post.

Smarten up, chump. I'm smarter than you, so don't try that with me.

- prock


It does not work that way. When a business buys a package of tickets for promotional purposes it is simply a business expense. So, for example, Yellow Pages has x number of tickets to give to loyal customers in Ottawa and Toronto. GTA Yellow Pages can probably cost justify giving out tickets at a 4:1 ratio over Ottawa Yellow Pages.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 27 @ 4:27 PM ET
And you're calling ME dumb as a post? The average salaries of the two cities is totally irrelevant to the "suits", a term that OTHER fan bases like to use, ATTENDING the game.

The comment was on the cost of the tickets, as everyone else loves to point out, for the "suits" to attend Leaf games, is very rarely paid for by the suits themselves. They're corporate tickets, and if you can't see that as tax writeoffs, are to an extent paid for by the entire tax paying population, you're the one that is dumb as a post.

Smarten up, chump. I'm smarter than you, so don't try that with me.

- prock


Vintage Prock
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 4:40 PM ET
It does not work that way. When a business buys a package of tickets for promotional purposes it is simply a business expense. So, for example, Yellow Pages has x number of tickets to give to loyal customers in Ottawa and Toronto. GTA Yellow Pages can probably cost justify giving out tickets at a 4:1 ratio over Ottawa Yellow Pages.
- spatso



It absolutely works that way. Since it seems you need one, let me give you a quick lesson – when bought by a business, they are expenses. Profit is revenue less expenses. Therefore, a ticket purchased by a company, is listed as an expense. That expense directly reduces the profit of that business. Corporations pay taxes on their profit. In Canada, it’s 25%. So, a $400 ticket(according to the other Sens idiot here) purchased by a company reduces the profits of that company by $400, vs not purchasing that ticket.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 4:42 PM ET
Vintage Prock
- golfingsince



Oh look who's back. How you doin Skippy? Still female doging about Corrado not being on the Olympic team?
twiztedmike
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 10.06.2007

Oct 27 @ 4:42 PM ET
Oh look who's back. How you doin Skippy? Still female doging about Corrado not being on the Olympic team?
- prock

walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Oct 27 @ 4:43 PM ET
i don't know why you do the dumber than a fence post routine. We all know that you know better

Canadian Census Metropolitan Areas ranked by median family income

- spatso[edit]

Rank Metropolitan Area Population MedianFamily Income

1 Ottawa CMA 1,236,324 $94,700
2 Calgary CMA 1,214,839 $89,490
3 Edmonton CMA 1,159,869 $87,930
4 Regina CMA 210,556 $84,890
5 Oshawa 149,607 $82,270
6 Saskatoon CMA 260,600 $80,570
7 St John's, NL CMA 196,966 $78,210
8 Victoria, BC CMA 344,630 $77,820
9 Kingston, ON CMA 159,561 $77,140
10 Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo CMA 477,160 $77,040
11 Hamilton CMA 721,053 $76,730
12 Greater Sudbury CMA 160,770 $76,710
13 Halifax CMA 390,096 $76,500
14 Quebec, QC CMA 765,706 $76,450
15 Thunder Bay CMA 121,596 $75,640
16 Winnipeg CMA 730,018 $72,050
17 London, ON CMA 474,786 $71,840
18 Windsor, ON CMA 319,246 $69,480
19 Saguenay, QC CMA 157,790 $69,340
20 Saint John, NB CMA 127,761 $69,100
21 Toronto CMA 5,583,064 $68,110
22 Vancouver CMA 2,313,328 $67,090
23 Montreal CMA 3,824,221 $67,010
24 St. Catharines–Niagara CMA 392,184 $65,900
25 Trois-Rivières, QC CMA 151,773 $63,510
26 Sherbrooke, QC CMA 201,890 $63,360
27 Abbotsford-Mission, BC CMA 170,191 $62,320

Did you respond to the wrong comment?

Or maybe on the wrong website?

It would've made more sense had you replied "Dogs".
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Oct 27 @ 4:44 PM ET
Oh look who's back. How you doin Skippy? Still female doging about Corrado not being on the Olympic team?
- prock

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 4:45 PM ET
Did you respond to the wrong comment?

Or maybe on the wrong website?

It would've made more sense had you replied "Dogs".

- walshyleafsfan



unreal eh? and he starts with "dumb as a post routine".

It's not a routine for him.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 27 @ 4:46 PM ET
It does not work that way. When a business buys a package of tickets for promotional purposes it is simply a business expense. So, for example, Yellow Pages has x number of tickets to give to loyal customers in Ottawa and Toronto. GTA Yellow Pages can probably cost justify giving out tickets at a 4:1 ratio over Ottawa Yellow Pages.
- spatso


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:15 PM ET
It absolutely works that way. Since it seems you need one, let me give you a quick lesson – when bought by a business, they are expenses. Profit is revenue less expenses. Therefore, a ticket purchased by a company, is listed as an expense. That expense directly reduces the profit of that business. Corporations pay taxes on their profit. In Canada, it’s 25%. So, a $400 ticket(according to the other Sens idiot here) purchased by a company reduces the profits of that company by $400, vs not purchasing that ticket.
- prock


It is actually an important point. I think actually you understand the point. Yellow Pages does not purchase tickets to reduce profit. They give out tickets to preferred customers as part of their client retention program. I am certain they can cost justify and clearly demonstrate how their ticket program supports their sales.

I know the hockey markets in Sunrise and Tampa pretty well and a bit on the Carolina market. Ottawa is a pretty solid market on its own. Comparison between the GTA and Ottawa in any kind of hockey marketing model is entirely foolish.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:19 PM ET
It is actually an important point. I think actually you understand the point. Yellow Pages does not purchase tickets to reduce profit. They give out tickets to preferred customers as part of their client retention program. I am certain they can cost justify and clearly demonstrate how their ticket program supports their sales.

I know the hockey markets in Sunrise and Tampa pretty well and a bit on the Carolina market. Ottawa is a pretty solid market on its own. Comparison between the GTA and Ottawa in any kind of hockey marketing model is entirely foolish.

- spatso


keep telling me how expenses don't impact profit, you dolt.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 27 @ 5:20 PM ET
Oh look who's back. How you doin Skippy? Still female doging about Corrado not being on the Olympic team?
- prock


I corrected you once already.

No need to argue, I'm smarter than you.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:22 PM ET
I corrected you once already.

No need to argue, I'm smarter than you.

- golfingsince



Sure Skippy. Corrado for Team Canada!!!!
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 27 @ 5:26 PM ET
Sure Skippy. Corrado for Team Canada!!!!
- prock


Do you still sleep with your Jesse Blacker doll?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:31 PM ET
Do you still sleep with your Jesse Blacker doll?
- golfingsince



Hey, guess what, just as I said back then, they're the same caliber player.

It was you idiots that insisted he was SO MUCH better.

I'm sure Team Canada is watching closely, right skippy?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:39 PM ET

I think Edmonton and Montreal are the class of Canada.

Next is Ottawa Calgary and Winnipeg

Next is Toronto

Next is Vancouver


In 3-4 years Winnipeg Toronto Edmonton Calgary will all be forces.

Just my opinion.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 27 @ 5:41 PM ET
Hey, guess what, just as I said back then, they're the same caliber player.

It was you idiots that insisted he was SO MUCH better.

I'm sure Team Canada is watching closely, right skippy?

- prock


Actually you said Blacker was much better, and that Fred Gauthier was better than Horvat.

That's OK though, nobody takes you seriously.

Where is Blacker now?

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