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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: most philly media sucks outside Bill and Eskin, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 26 @ 11:02 AM ET
the leafs have marane
- D0PPELGANGER


Karlsson's defensive shortcoming are overblown by some, but he is not by any means a good defensive player, in fact he slants towards the poor side of defensive play. He's phenomenal offensively and with the puck, but he's not the two way monster that Doughty is, nor was Karlsson better last year overall than Doughty was.
- MJL


More observation than metrics, which should be the primary method of evaluating players, of the games I've seen Karlsson play. No player in the NHL was on the ice for more goals against at 5 on 5 play than Karlsson was. Have to look at all the factors involved there, as certainly Karlsson can't be blamed for every single goal against. Ottawa is not a good defensive team, so that certainly doesn't help him, and you could say that he's being asked to play a certain way, that is not conducive to defensive play, to try and give his team a chance to win. Even with all that said, in my opinion, I can't say he's a good defensive player, or the best defenseman in the NHL, when he's on the ice for the most goals against of any player in the entire league, at 5 on 5 play. He's certainly the best defenseman offensively, and with the puck in the league.
- MJL


I don't think Karlsson's offensive contributions come close to tilting the scale in his favor. Karlsson was 5th in the league in ES points scored, yet finished as a minus player. You simply can't be on the ice and have the most 5 on 5 goals scored against your team when you're on the ice, and be considered the best defenseman in the league, unless of course you want to completely ignore the defensive side of the puck. Doughty is dominant in all 3 zones of the ice.
- MJL


http://www.hockeybuzz.com...p?thread_id=137548&page=7
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 29 @ 6:20 PM ET
Leafs ranked #1

Sens ranked #16


http://abcnews.go.com/Spo...ipeline/story?id=41724093

Lolololololo
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 29 @ 7:29 PM ET
Leafs ranked #1

Sens ranked #16


http://abcnews.go.com/Spo...ipeline/story?id=41724093

Lolololololo

- Tumbleweed


Can't wait to see spatsos spin on this.



Lolololololo debating better situation.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Aug 29 @ 10:29 PM ET
Can't wait to see spatsos spin on this.



Lolololololo debating better situation.

- systemtool




Toronto has the best farm system in the NHL and it isn't close. Based on my prospect definitions, there are zero reasonable arguments for anyone to even be in the same conversation. Not only do they have a ton of elite talent in players like Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and William Nylander, but their depth is elite too. There are at least 20 prospects in this system that would fit in many other teams' top 10.


Seems like he left some room for debate?


systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 30 @ 12:17 PM ET
Toronto has the best farm system in the NHL and it isn't close. Based on my prospect definitions, there are zero reasonable arguments for anyone to even be in the same conversation. Not only do they have a ton of elite talent in players like Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and William Nylander, but their depth is elite too. There are at least 20 prospects in this system that would fit in many other teams' top 10.


Seems like he left some room for debate?



- burn



Brian Murray did the rebuild on a few teams. Shortly after leaving the teams became serious contenders. I think the Sens are in great shape and other than Tampa they will be as strong as any team in the east.
- spatso

AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 30 @ 12:46 PM ET
the leafs have marane
- D0PPELGANGER

hey dude there's a debate in the Habs thread today about which team has a better prospect pool
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 30 @ 12:50 PM ET
New thread: http://www.hockeybuzz.com...137630&page=last#16625734
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: every day, once a day, give yourself a present, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Aug 30 @ 12:51 PM ET
hey dude there's a debate in the Habs thread today about which team has a better prospect pool
- AustonPowers

SENS
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Aug 30 @ 2:43 PM ET
Leafs ranked #1

Sens ranked #16


http://abcnews.go.com/Spo...ipeline/story?id=41724093

Lolololololo

- Tumbleweed
Thats about right ,the Leafs should have had an even better crop ,but you know.....BB and his" we can afford to take a few cans off the shelf"
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 30 @ 3:40 PM ET
Thats about right ,the Leafs should have had an even better crop ,but you know.....BB and his" we can afford to take a few cans off the shelf"

- top shelf 15


Kinda like what the sens are doing now.
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 30 @ 5:14 PM ET
Good news everyone.

With the debate finally settled we can move on to better topics such as:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...137638&page=last#16626998
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 30 @ 6:42 PM ET
Thats about right ,the Leafs should have had an even better crop ,but you know.....BB and his" we can afford to take a few cans off the shelf"

- top shelf 15


Yup. He's the kinda guy who trades a 2nd and Zibby for Brassard. That's just an example. Not saying it would actually happen.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 30 @ 7:08 PM ET
Good news everyone.

With the debate finally settled we can move on to better topics such as:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...137638&page=last#16626998

- AustonPowers


PaGiroux vs Giroux. ..it's on!
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Aug 30 @ 7:31 PM ET
Yup. He's the kinda guy who trades a 2nd and Zibby for Brassard. That's just an example. Not saying it would actually happen.
- systemtool



.............for Brassard and a 7th round pick.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 30 @ 7:33 PM ET
.............for Brassard and a 7th round pick.
- D0PPELGANGER


Plan the parade
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Aug 30 @ 7:34 PM ET
.............for Brassard and a 7th round pick.
- D0PPELGANGER






Heaven forbid you leave out the key piece.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 30 @ 7:50 PM ET
.............for Brassard and a 7th round pick.
- D0PPELGANGER



Awww so sweet of them to send you guys a thank you card for trading in your 2013 accord for a 2001 civic. That's class.
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Aug 30 @ 10:19 PM ET
Would I consider Jake a prospect ? Not really , he has played a year, but at some point I may call him one seeing there is no real definition of what makes a player a prospect.

It's all subjective . Same as you saying Willie is a top 7 prospect.

Here is a list of players that haven't played in the NHL that I would prefer on my team over Nylander or Marmer. Not in any particular order.

Michael Dal Colle
Hayden Fluery
Travis Sanheim
Logan Brown
Pierre Luc Dubois
Laine Puljujarvi
Josh Ho Sang
Dylan Strome
Ivan Provorov
Brock Boeser
Mikhail Sergachev
Mathew Tkachuk
Ollie Juolevi
Nikita Tryamkin
Jakob Chychryn
Austen Mathews

Then I would start looking at Marmer or Willie.

So that list is just opinion.
If you asked 100 different people you would get 100 different answers
I am sure if you asked 20

- VANTEL
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Aug 30 @ 10:22 PM ET
[quote=Nucker101]


Wow.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 30 @ 10:28 PM ET


Would I consider Jake a prospect ? Not really , he has played a year, but at some point I may call him one seeing there is no real definition of what makes a player a prospect.

It's all subjective . Same as you saying Willie is a top 7 prospect.

Here is a list of players that haven't played in the NHL that I would prefer on my team over Nylander or Marmer. Not in any particular order.

Michael Dal Colle
Hayden Fluery
Travis Sanheim
Logan Brown
Pierre Luc Dubois
Laine Puljujarvi
Josh Ho Sang
Dylan Strome
Ivan Provorov
Brock Boeser
Mikhail Sergachev
Mathew Tkachuk
Ollie Juolevi
Nikita Tryamkin
Jakob Chychryn
Austen Mathews

Then I would start looking at Marmer or Willie.

So that list is just opinion.
If you asked 100 different people you would get 100 different answers
I am sure if you asked 20
- VANTEL

- Nucker101



that is one hell of an abortion of a post.

Look at all the horse crap Nucks prospects he slid in there. Tryamkin? Boeser?

Hell Marner jacked up Juolevi's stats enough to get him drafted in the first round.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Aug 30 @ 10:36 PM ET
that is one hell of an abortion of a post.

Look at all the horse crap Nucks prospects he slid in there. Tryamkin? Boeser?

Hell Marner jacked up Juolevi's stats enough to get him drafted in the first round.

- prock



Basically all of that list combined isn't worth either of those two guys, but that moron would take guys that were massively out scored by those two.


This is single handlidly the most epically moronic post on hockey buzz. Tough act to follow.
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Aug 30 @ 10:39 PM ET
that is one hell of an abortion of a post.

Look at all the horse crap Nucks prospects he slid in there. Tryamkin? Boeser?

Hell Marner jacked up Juolevi's stats enough to get him drafted in the first round.

- prock

I believe he was trolling with the Nucks prospects, but the scary thing was I'm 90% sure he was being honest by putting in Dal Colle, Brown, Ho-Sang, et. on that list.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 30 @ 10:41 PM ET
I believe he was trolling with the Nucks prospects, but the scary thing was I'm 90% sure he was being honest by putting in Dal Colle, Brown, Ho-Sang, et. on that list.
- Nucker101



Josh Ho-Sang. That's funny. Will that guy ever play a game?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Aug 30 @ 10:44 PM ET
I believe he was trolling with the Nucks prospects, but the scary thing was I'm 90% sure he was being honest by putting in Dal Colle, Brown, Ho-Sang, et. on that list.
- Nucker101



So (frank)ing bad. It's hilarious.....

Yeah the chl, ohl and memorial cup mvp who scored over 2pts/game.... But yeah I'd rather some scrub who barely (if at all )scored at a ppg.



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