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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Aug 2 @ 9:17 AM ET
To be fair.. the Sens are pretty crappy..and the leafs are good
- senstroll


So the leafs will finish higher in the Divisional Standing this season?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 2 @ 9:21 AM ET
So you're saying that both Mitch Marner (5.11 and 164 lbs) and Francis Perron ( 6.00 and 163 lbs) will never "play a game in the NHL"?





- D0PPELGANGER



so, you're saying that Mitch Marner qualified as an overage player this year?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 2 @ 9:24 AM ET
So the leafs will finish higher in the Divisional Standing this season?
- D0PPELGANGER



who the (frank) knows... but I was talking about their AHL teams which he was responding to
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Aug 2 @ 9:37 AM ET
so, you're saying that Mitch Marner qualified as an overage player this year?
- prock


Yeah Marner is almost one year younger ....... just pointing out that they're almost exactly the same weight and height, at this point and time. If he does not play for the leafs then I guess he's bound to be an overage player then, eh?
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 2 @ 11:13 AM ET
This thread is still going?
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 2 @ 11:20 AM ET
Yeah Marner is almost one year younger ....... just pointing out that they're almost exactly the same weight and height, at this point and time. If he does not play for the leafs then I guess he's bound to be an overage player then, eh?
- D0PPELGANGER

d0pps, c'mon.
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 2 @ 11:20 AM ET
be a good little d0pps

don't be like spatso
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 2 @ 11:44 AM ET
be a good little d0pps

don't be like spatso

- AustonPowers


They'll never stop the nonSENSe
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 2 @ 12:24 PM ET
Yeah Marner is almost one year younger ....... just pointing out that they're almost exactly the same weight and height, at this point and time. If he does not play for the leafs then I guess he's bound to be an overage player then, eh?
- D0PPELGANGER



More than a year younger, not almost. The list of undersized players that put up large numbers as a 19/20 year old is long. You have to be a top talent to overcome that and make it a non-issue. Marner put up bigger numbers as a 17 year old than Perron put up as a 19/20 year old.

Trying to put them in the same sentence is silly. Perron is nowhere near the prospect Marner is. Marner looks like one of those that has the top talent to overcome size, Perrron, very unlikely.He'll probably never make it past the AHL. he's more likely in the Justin Azevedo category than the Pat Kane one.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:15 PM ET
More than a year younger, not almost. The list of undersized players that put up large numbers as a 19/20 year old is long. You have to be a top talent to overcome that and make it a non-issue. Marner put up bigger numbers as a 17 year old than Perron put up as a 19/20 year old.

Trying to put them in the same sentence is silly. Perron is nowhere near the prospect Marner is. Marner looks like one of those that has the top talent to overcome size, Perrron, very unlikely.He'll probably never make it past the AHL. he's more likely in the Justin Azevedo category than the Pat Kane one.

- prock



So Marner is the next Kane?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:19 PM ET
So Marner is the next Kane?
- D0PPELGANGER



Maybe. Probably not. But Kane is a better comparable to Marner than Azevedo. Azevedo is a better comparison for Francis Perron than Kane.

Most players never reach their FULL potential. I'd rather have the player with the potential to be Kane than Justin Azevedo.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Aug 2 @ 2:22 PM ET
Which is worse? The heartbreak or the ass pain
- systemtool


I am guessing it is the heartbreak because he misses the ass pain.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:49 PM ET
Maybe. Probably not. But Kane is a better comparable to Marner than Azevedo. Azevedo is a better comparison for Francis Perron than Kane.

Most players never reach their FULL potential. I'd rather have the player with the potential to be Kane than Justin Azevedo.

- prock



Francis Perron was a seventh round pick of the Senators, who just happens to have won the Michel Briere Trophy as QMJHL MVP and the Guy Lafleur Trophy as the post-season MVP, becoming only the eighth player in league history and first since Jonathan Drouin to pick up both major awards in the same season.

Perhaps you think that Justin Azevedo won some similar awards, and thereby your use of him as a comparison?


prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:58 PM ET
Francis Perron was a seventh round pick of the Senators, who just happens to have won the Michel Briere Trophy as QMJHL MVP and the Guy Lafleur Trophy as the post-season MVP, becoming only the eighth player in league history and first since Jonathan Drouin to pick up both major awards in the same season.

Perhaps you think that Justin Azevedo won some similar awards, and thereby your use of him as a comparison?

- D0PPELGANGER


Yep. In his final season in the OHL, Justin Azevedo, a 6th round pick, the season he turned 20 in (like Perron this year), his only season among the top 20 in OHL/QMJHL scoring (like Perron), Azevedo put up 124 points (more than Perron, in a better league), and won the OHL MVP award (Red Tilson), lthe Ed Chenowyth for Mem Cup top scorer, CHL player of the year, CHL top scorer award.

I guess you might say that Francis Perron is basically Justin Azevedo-lite.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 2 @ 9:59 PM ET
So Marner is the next Kane?
- D0PPELGANGER



You said it.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 5 @ 12:47 PM ET
http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1064620

Sens
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Aug 5 @ 12:56 PM ET
http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1064620

Sens

- senstroll
The Score
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 5 @ 1:04 PM ET
The Score

- top shelf 15



I think anyone with a decent knowledge of the NHL and whats happened in the past several years would make a fairly similar list.

Big Shift in things for the Leafs.. its been common to see them near the Bottom of the standings while also showing up at the bottom of these types of lists. Now they have bottomed out in terms of the standings...but everything else important..which eventually leads to success is falling in place.

just to re-cap the lists

Farm systems
29. Ottawa Senators
1. Toronto Maple Leafs

Head coaches
28. Ottawa Senators
5. Toronto Maple Leafs

General managers
23. Ottawa Senators
11. Toronto Maple Leafs

Owners
29. Ottawa Senators
3. Toronto Maple Leafs

3 years ago the Leafs would have been easily 30th in 3 of them..now the sens are trending that way
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 5 @ 6:37 PM ET
So Marner is the next Kane?
- D0PPELGANGER


He looked very ordinary against the very quick Swedes today.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 5 @ 6:43 PM ET
I think anyone with a decent knowledge of the NHL and whats happened in the past several years would make a fairly similar list.

Big Shift in things for the Leafs.. its been common to see them near the Bottom of the standings while also showing up at the bottom of these types of lists. Now they have bottomed out in terms of the standings...but everything else important..which eventually leads to success is falling in place.

just to re-cap the lists

Farm systems
29. Ottawa Senators
1. Toronto Maple Leafs

Head coaches
28. Ottawa Senators
5. Toronto Maple Leafs

General managers
23. Ottawa Senators
11. Toronto Maple Leafs

Owners
29. Ottawa Senators
3. Toronto Maple Leafs

3 years ago the Leafs would have been easily 30th in 3 of them..now the sens are trending that way

- senstroll


Oh for God's sake, grow up. It is summer and these are loser lists. It is all about scoreboard and last I looked Leafs were a last place team. These are merely distractions to keep readers interested.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Aug 5 @ 7:10 PM ET
Oh for God's sake, grow up. It is summer and these are loser lists. It is all about scoreboard and last I looked Leafs were a last place team. These are merely distractions to keep readers interested.
- spatso

Amazing how any list with Ottawa where they belong is a loser list
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 6 @ 6:02 AM ET
Amazing how any list with Ottawa where they belong is a loser list
- Feeling Glucky?



Winners and losers are determined by the scoreboard. Leaf summer talk is legendary and entertaining. But, it is just talk. Expectations get raised but everyone knows once the puck drops it is time to talk about what happened on the ice.

So, the first puck has been dropped. Marner is competing but not very well. He has had trouble especially yesterday with the speedy Finns. Most of the Finns are two years younger than Marner. He did not show much on the scoreboard.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Aug 6 @ 8:56 AM ET
Winners and losers are determined by the scoreboard. Leaf summer talk is legendary and entertaining. But, it is just talk. Expectations get raised but everyone knows once the puck drops it is time to talk about what happened on the ice.

So, the first puck has been dropped. Marner is competing but not very well. He has had trouble especially yesterday with the speedy Finns. Most of the Finns are two years younger than Marner. He did not show much on the scoreboard.

- spatso

Ah yes, 2 years of historic level production outweighed by a single exhibition game I'm certain you didn't watch.



Since, you know...


...


He didn't play.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 6 @ 9:59 AM ET
Ah yes, 2 years of historic level production outweighed by a single exhibition game in certain you didn't watch.



Since, you know...


...


He didn't play.

- Feeling Glucky?



Oh my

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