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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 11 @ 4:23 PM ET
I know a few things for certain:

1)the team unwilling to spend isn't in a better position.
2)Karlsson is a very good offensive player, but not worthy of the Norris, by any stretch of the imagination... unless they officially change the qualification to "most points for a d-man"
3)It's funny to see that Phaneuf is now a very important player in the eyes of some of the more trollish fans.

- Feeling Glucky?



And yet he has Two???? Go figure??





D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 11 @ 4:25 PM ET
I expect Chabot to play minutes in a 3rd pairing role. I expect him to develop along the same lines as the Sens have brought Ceci along. I do think that Chabot has a higher ceiling than Ceci.
- spatso


3rd pairing D-men generally are defensive roles .............. Chabot will be better served by playing in the AHL before playing full time in the NHL
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jul 11 @ 6:23 PM ET
Leafs and it ain't even close.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 11 @ 6:46 PM ET
And yet he has Two???? Go figure??





- D0PPELGANGER

Doesn't mean he deserves them.

seems this year the media was reminded that the Norris isn't handed out on points. If they remember that, he won't win another.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 11 @ 6:49 PM ET
Just because we wont spend follishly doesnt mean we dont spend
Nothing wrong with Phaneuf and how little we gave to get him ,EDM could have easily used this guy .Toronto retained money up front ,as was a motivated seller

- top shelf 15

But the Phaneuf trade pretty much confirms that Ottawa isn't willing to spend: trade for a guy who has a huge cap hit but lower salary, because the cap hit is secondary to the internal budget.

Personally I don't think Phaneuf is a bad player at all... I'm just laughing that the same posters who thought his contract was ridiculous are now defending it because he's on their team.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 12 @ 7:02 AM ET
But the Phaneuf trade pretty much confirms that Ottawa isn't willing to spend: trade for a guy who has a huge cap hit but lower salary, because the cap hit is secondary to the internal budget.

Personally I don't think Phaneuf is a bad player at all... I'm just laughing that the same posters who thought his contract was ridiculous are now defending it because he's on their team.

- Feeling Glucky?


Seriously, Leaf fans are just too thin skinned and incapable of distinguishing teasing from substance. Perhaps, this is entirely understandable given the humiliation that you have endured over the past 10 years. Kessel, Phaneuf and JVR are good hockey players. It is not the players that are the problem it is the Leafs that are problematic.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 12 @ 7:08 AM ET
Ottawa management believes they have a contending team. I believe the same. They were solid last year until Turris was hurt. Love the pairing of Ceci and Phaneuf and I expect the Sens to shave 20 goals against off of last year.

Brian Murray has a history of building teams that become super competitive the year after he steps down as GM (Detroit, Anahiem).
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jul 12 @ 7:23 AM ET
Ottawa management believes they have a contending team. I believe the same. They were solid last year until Turris was hurt. Love the pairing of Ceci and Phaneuf and I expect the Sens to shave 20 goals against off of last year.

Brian Murray has a history of building teams that become super competitive the year after he steps down as GM (Detroit, Anahiem).

- spatso

LOL
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 12 @ 8:08 AM ET
Ottawa management believes they have a contending team. I believe the same. They were solid last year until Turris was hurt. Love the pairing of Ceci and Phaneuf and I expect the Sens to shave 20 goals against off of last year.

Brian Murray has a history of building teams that become super competitive the year after he steps down as GM (Detroit, Anahiem).

- spatso


So you and Management believe it...great, I assume they believed it going into last season also

The Sens were around .500 when Turris was shut down...I guess thats solid

How are the Sens going to shave off 20 goals?

And the Brian Murray stepping down thing...is that another Sensalytic stat?
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 12 @ 8:20 AM ET
LOL
- Cape Breton Bruins

You know it's all true.

SENS and it's not close.

lock this thread, nothing more needs to be said
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
Doesn't mean he deserves them.

seems this year the media was reminded that the Norris isn't handed out on points. If they remember that, he won't win another.

- Feeling Glucky?


Yeah, he finished second in voting ............ that was a huge message, right?

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 12 @ 9:43 AM ET
Yeah, he finished second in voting ............ that was a huge message, right?


- D0PPELGANGER



When is the Karlsson was 2nd in Norris voting banner raising at CTC?

going to look amazing beside the 1905 Stanley cup champs banner
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 12 @ 10:04 AM ET
When is the Karlsson was 2nd in Norris voting banner raising at CTC?

going to look amazing beside the 1905 Stanley cup champs banner

- senstroll

Same time as the "BEST CANADIAN TEAM 2016!!!" banner.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 12 @ 10:05 AM ET
Seriously, Leaf fans are just too thin skinned and incapable of distinguishing teasing from substance. Perhaps, this is entirely understandable given the humiliation that you have endured over the past 10 years. Kessel, Phaneuf and JVR are good hockey players. It is not the players that are the problem it is the Leafs that are problematic.
- spatso



Don't worry, I fully understand the distinction between the things you say and things of substance.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 12 @ 11:38 AM ET
Seriously, Leaf fans are just too thin skinned and incapable of distinguishing teasing from substance. Perhaps, this is entirely understandable given the humiliation that you have endured over the past 10 years. Kessel, Phaneuf and JVR are good hockey players. It is not the players that are the problem it is the Leafs that are problematic.
- spatso


top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 12 @ 12:01 PM ET
But the Phaneuf trade pretty much confirms that Ottawa isn't willing to spend: trade for a guy who has a huge cap hit but lower salary, because the cap hit is secondary to the internal budget.

Personally I don't think Phaneuf is a bad player at all... I'm just laughing that the same posters who thought his contract was ridiculous are now defending it because he's on their team.

- Feeling Glucky?
Neither do I even when he was with Toronto i didnt bad mouth him .Toronto was kinda stuck when they gave him that deal ,he was already being paid 6.5 if i remember correctly .And they would have never been able to replace him ,through trade or F/A ,and the management at the time was still hoping for team success with him.People sometimes forget how hard it is to find decent top 4 defenders
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 12 @ 3:05 PM ET
Neither do I even when he was with Toronto i didnt bad mouth him .Toronto was kinda stuck when they gave him that deal ,he was already being paid 6.5 if i remember correctly .And they would have never been able to replace him ,through trade or F/A ,and the management at the time was still hoping for team success with him.People sometimes forget how hard it is to find decent top 4 defenders

- top shelf 15



I thought both Kessel and Phaneuf were good assets caught in a very bad Leaf situation (I think JVR falls into the same circumstance this year). Phaneuf will be going from a #1 in Toronto to playing a #4 in Ottawa. It is a huge opportunity for him to step up and make a difference. Not unlike Kessel dropping down from a 1st line to a 3rd line for the Penguins. Not sure why so many Leaf fans are so desperate for them to fail?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 12 @ 3:18 PM ET
Could have swore we drafted kids in the first round last year and this year ,oh wait we did .Brown White and Chabot
Please gluck tone it down a little

- top shelf 15


not sure those are in the top 30 prospects
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 12 @ 3:23 PM ET
not sure those are in the top 30 prospects
- Aetherial

I think that's just a color palette
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 12 @ 4:03 PM ET
I think that's just a color palette
- twiztedmike



Sens are looking to trade next years 1st since there are no players named Green or Black
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 13 @ 10:01 AM ET
How much confidence does each NHL fan base have in their front office?

http://www.thehockeynews....-ranking-of-all-30-teams/




top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 13 @ 12:39 PM ET
How much confidence does each NHL fan base have in their front office?

http://www.thehockeynews....-ranking-of-all-30-teams/





- senstroll
Look dude ,quoting any major Toronto based media outlet including print .While trying to make a point really doesn fly well.They almost never talk about our team ,and when they do its usually just to sling mud
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 13 @ 12:40 PM ET
not sure those are in the top 30 prospects
- Aetherial

Why wouldnt they be??
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 13 @ 2:50 PM ET
Look dude ,quoting any major Toronto based media outlet including print .While trying to make a point really doesn fly well.They almost never talk about our team ,and when they do its usually just to sling mud
- top shelf 15



ok cool

Looking at the list though, I have to agree with most of the rankings.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 13 @ 5:39 PM ET
Why wouldnt they be??
- top shelf 15


Well, that happens when you can find 30 better prospects on other teams.

Realistically, these things are all subjective, if you were to come up with a list, I think after about the 25 mark, if you take the most optimistic view you can of Chabot, White, or Brown, they MIGHT fit in. On average, I'm guessing late 20s or around 30th, and pessimistically, maybe mid 30s.

I can guarantee that 99% of people outside of Ottawa fans would take all of these guys ahead of Chabot, White, Brown or any other prospect in the system, from the last few drafts:

Auston Matthews
Laine
Puljujarvi
Dubois
Provorov
Nylander
Strome
Marner
Tkachuk
Rantenen
Werenski
Juolevi
Kyle Conner
Aho
Sanheim
Sergachev
Clayton Keller
Brock Boeser
Shea Theodore
Alex Nylander
Barzal
Zacha
Konecny
Dvorak

Just looking at the draft lists, I think those are probably all easily ahead.

then there are the ones that are probably questionable, for one reason or another

Vesey
Morrisey
Tyson Jost
Buchnevich
Chycrun (I would easily, weird to me he dropped)
Timo Meier
Lawson Crouse
Kempe? (I admit, I've not followed too closely recently)

Throw in some of the highest rated goalie prospects around, and there you go.

I think a couple of them might come close, depending on one's interpretation, but I think it's pretty safe to say none of the crack top 25 lists, and depending on the scout, or whatever, there may be a few lists out there where they won't crack the top 30.


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