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Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Jul 8 @ 11:55 AM ET

I was about to say LEAFS but with the Chris Kelly signing, SENS
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:00 PM ET
I was about to say LEAFS but with the Chris Kelly signing, SENS
- Not_Yan

Appreciate your objectivity as usual
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:10 PM ET
I am a huge believer in peak performance theory. You can usually track the build up to top performance and project the downward trend line from year to year. Ryan and Phanuef obviously peaked very early in their careers. Decline has set in. Players seldom, if ever, are able to reverse the progressive nature of the decline. The rate of goals scored per game year over year gives you a solid basis for projection.

Hoffman is next up to see this happen, likely having peaked in the last couple of years. The sens will be stuck paying another player based on past and not future performance.

- Tumbleweed


I know Melnyk has no use for analytics in Hockey because of Horses or some dumb poop he said..but for Hoffman he probably could have saved a few million by locking him up a while ago to a nice value contract..the underlying numbers showed he was good..but instead nickel and dime him until you have to trade him because he is to expensive
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:14 PM ET
This is Great
The Sens have 1 playoff series win in 9 seasons, have a very average prospect pool, think Dion Phaneuf is going to help the team win...2 highest cap hits are declining fast

We can pretend we're not screwed!

- senstroll



It's pretty funny watching him get all worked up. Look at the anger and frustration in these posts:

Duh, what part of last place are you missing. Make the playoffs once in 10 years but somehow this translates into heading in the right direction.
- spatso


Hockey is a great game because they insist that the scoreboard and clock and standings be used as gauges of success. It is a summer tradition that fans of the blue and white come here and pretend that none of these matter. They chatter on about next season. It has been the same for 10 years. It will be the same again next year. Losers are what losers do and the Leafs have been no shows for every year but one.

And, the one year that they did make the playoffs they did the biggest collapse in playoff history in their series with the Bruins. Why would anybody think that next year will be different? We know that summer is let's pretend season for the blue kool aid crowd. You are having a great off season in once again winning the bragging rights.

- spatso


The sad state of affairs of the Sens is sinking in with him.

daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 8 @ 12:40 PM ET
I was about to say LEAFS but with the Chris Kelly signing, SENS
- Not_Yan

yep

we can lock this thread now

thanks
Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Jul 8 @ 12:56 PM ET
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 9 @ 8:35 AM ET
I know Melnyk has no use for analytics in Hockey because of Horses or some dumb poop he said..but for Hoffman he probably could have saved a few million by locking him up a while ago to a nice value contract..the underlying numbers showed he was good..but instead nickel and dime him until you have to trade him because he is to expensive
- senstroll



They're still concerned that he has not been able to score, at the same pace in the final 20 games of a season, as he does in the previous 62 games.

So you're wrong about the lack of analytics use by teams other than the leafs.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 9 @ 8:59 AM ET
They're still concerned that he has not been able to score, at the same pace in the final 20 games of a season, as he does in the previous 62 games.

So you're wrong about the lack of analytics use by teams other than the leafs.

- D0PPELGANGER


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:59 AM ET
They're still concerned that he has not been able to score, at the same pace in the final 20 games of a season, as he does in the previous 62 games.

So you're wrong about the lack of analytics use by teams other than the leafs.

- D0PPELGANGER


Look if the Leafs are a poster boy for analytics than the analytics movement is in free fall towards a near death experience. Leafs were an horrendous last place team last year. They will be worse this year. And, we need to know it is more than the fault of analytics.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 11:09 AM ET
Look if the Leafs are a poster boy for analytics than the analytics movement is in free fall towards a near death experience. Leafs were an horrendous last place team last year. They will be worse this year. And, we need to know it is more than the fault of analytics.
- spatso



How were they a horrendous last place team? They had more pts last year than they did the previous year. They had more pts than the Sabres the previous 2 years.


We'll see if they are worse this year than last, but I don't think so. The talent they're adding > the talent they didn't bring back.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 9 @ 12:16 PM ET
How were they a horrendous last place team? They had more pts last year than they did the previous year. They had more pts than the Sabres the previous 2 years.


We'll see if they are worse this year than last, but I don't think so. The talent they're adding > the talent they didn't bring back.

- burn



It's funny when he's angry. He needs to convince himself that the Leafs will be worse, and the reason for that is, the Sens have become the dumping ground for the Leafs. So, he wants to believe that Dion Phaneuf is a good player and the Leafs will somehow be a worse team because of it, while the Sens, of course, will be better.

We, of course, all know better, including him. But let him vent. Let him keep up this charade of how well the Sens have done.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:05 PM ET
They're still concerned that he has not been able to score, at the same pace in the final 20 games of a season, as he does in the previous 62 games.

So you're wrong about the lack of analytics use by teams other than the leafs.

- D0PPELGANGER


huh?

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:08 PM ET
Look if the Leafs are a poster boy for analytics than the analytics movement is in free fall towards a near death experience. Leafs were an horrendous last place team last year. They will be worse this year. And, we need to know it is more than the fault of analytics.
- spatso


jfc I really thought you might be a tad smarter than that

A complete overhaul and tear down of an organization and Roster doesnt (frank)ing happen in a few months ..

poop the Leafs are still trying to Dump bad players off like they Did with Dion from the past regime...thankfully there are still bad teams taking on those contracts

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 9 @ 2:53 PM ET
jfc I really thought you might be a tad smarter than that

A complete overhaul and tear down of an organization and Roster doesnt (frank)ing happen in a few months ..

poop the Leafs are still trying to Dump bad players off like they Did with Dion from the past regime...thankfully there are still bad teams taking on those contracts

- senstroll


Hey keep it simple. The body of evidence is pretty substantial. Only once in 10 years have the Leafs made the playoffs. The year they made the playoffs against Boston, they offered up the biggest playoff choke in the history of the game.

Now fans are trying to convince themselves they are something other than a last place team. Hey guys, check the scoreboard.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 9 @ 2:59 PM ET
Hey keep it simple. The body of evidence is pretty substantial. Only once in 10 years have the Leafs made the playoffs. The year they made the playoffs against Boston, they offered up the biggest playoff choke in the history of the game.

Now fans are trying to convince themselves they are something other than a last place team. Hey guys, check the scoreboard.

- spatso


Stop crying Spazzo. The "scoreboard" also shows the Sens are the worst defensive team in the league, a non-playoff team, that has won a single playoff series in nearly the same timeframe.

Stop trying to convince yourself things are okay in Sens land. Take off those red and mustard goggles. You'll see a pretty bad team, who couldn't even convince their own last two captains there was a future there. And now they're collecting the has beens that couldn't get it done it Toronto.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 9 @ 3:04 PM ET
Hey keep it simple. The body of evidence is pretty substantial. Only once in 10 years have the Leafs made the playoffs. The year they made the playoffs against Boston, they offered up the biggest playoff choke in the history of the game.

Now fans are trying to convince themselves they are something other than a last place team. Hey guys, check the scoreboard.

- spatso


I thought I was keeping it simple so you can follow

I was wrong
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 9 @ 3:11 PM ET
huh?
- senstroll



for the past two seasons, he's only scored about 4 or 5 goals, in the last 20 games of the season.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
huh?
- senstroll

The fantastic senators analytical department has discovered ppg can vary over the course of a season.


What a breakthrough in analytics!
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 9 @ 4:27 PM ET
The fantastic senators analytical department has discovered ppg can vary over the course of a season.


What a breakthrough in analytics!

- Feeling Glucky?

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 9 @ 10:56 PM ET

- Tumbleweed

I hear they're working about this amazing new stat called "+/-".


In sure Dopps and spazz can give us a good run down on how it shows Bobby Ryan is better than Kessel.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 10 @ 10:42 PM ET
I think the team that traded for Phaneuf to make the playoffs but missed the playoffs is clearly in the better position than the team who got 1st overall for doing the same thing. Missing the playoffs.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 11 @ 8:23 AM ET
I think the team that traded for Phaneuf to make the playoffs but missed the playoffs is clearly in the better position than the team who got 1st overall for doing the same thing. Missing the playoffs.
- systemtool
Or maybe we were tired of watching Cowen and Wiercioch trying to play in the nhl when they ,actually belonged in the ahl .Just terribad
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 8:44 AM ET
I think the team that traded for Phaneuf to make the playoffs but missed the playoffs is clearly in the better position than the team who got 1st overall for doing the same thing. Missing the playoffs.
- systemtool


Last place is last place.

Matthews did not have a particularly strong development camp.

Leafs getting ready for another year of futility.

But, nobody needs to worry about that right now.

It is summer and the Leafs are getting ready for the annual parade planning party.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 8:46 AM ET
Stop crying Spazzo. The "scoreboard" also shows the Sens are the worst defensive team in the league, a non-playoff team, that has won a single playoff series in nearly the same timeframe.

Stop trying to convince yourself things are okay in Sens land. Take off those red and mustard goggles. You'll see a pretty bad team, who couldn't even convince their own last two captains there was a future there. And now they're collecting the has beens that couldn't get it done it Toronto.

- prock


I am part of the Sens fans that loved the deal for Phaneuf. We will probably hear the name of Larry Murphy a lot over this next season.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 11 @ 8:52 AM ET
Last place is last place.

Matthews did not have a particularly strong development camp.

Leafs getting ready for another year of futility.

But, nobody needs to worry about that right now.

It is summer and the Leafs are getting ready for the annual parade planning party.

- spatso



Oh yeah? Based on? Were you there to see him? I was there live and you're full of poop
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