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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:26 AM ET
I think its clear the Leafs have a plan in place...they are not deviating from it to sign stamkos to a contract thats just stupid ...I am sure they made an offer and werent going to blow the cap just for 1 player... he is not make or break for the Leafs at this point.

There is a difference between the Leafs being smart with the cap money and the Sens being cheap

- senstroll



I'd also say that when you count their management team, coaching staff, contracts that they've taken on in order to improve their drafting and cap situation, they've got the highest actual payroll in the league by a longshot. They've just used their money to engineer themselves into a better cap spot.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 12:48 PM ET
Senators disappointed with Chabot's development camp performance

http://www.thescore.com/news/1055125

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 12:51 PM ET
Don Brennan
‏@SunDoniB
#Sens leading goal scorer Mike Hoffman will be filing for arbitration by 5 pm today



top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:00 PM ET
Senators disappointed with Chabot's development camp performance

http://www.thescore.com/news/1055125


- senstroll
Yeah because the Score has been super objective to any move we make
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:09 PM ET
Yeah because the Score has been super objective to any move we make

- top shelf 15



did you read it? the criticism is from assistant general manager Randy Lee not the score
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:17 PM ET
did you read it? the criticism is from assistant general manager Randy Lee not the score
- senstroll
Meh ,them pushing Chabot isnt exactly saying they are unhappy with his development .The Score has had a big hate on us just like most of the windbag stations out of Toronto usually do
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 5 @ 1:19 PM ET
Meh ,them pushing Chabot isnt exactly saying they are unhappy with his development .The Score has had a big hate on us just like most of the windbag stations out of Toronto usually do
- top shelf 15


Sportsnet too?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...mer-first-rounder-chabot/

does the Ottawa Citizen have a hate on for the Sens?

http://ottawacitizen.com/...senators-development-camp

How about the 6thsens.com

http://the6thsens.com/201...senators-went-all-in.html

Does Randy Lee have a Sens hate on too?

I don't know, it seems like some of these sources may be a little more pro-sens than you like to admit.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Dick Lick Springs, Arkansas, USA
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jul 5 @ 1:30 PM ET
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 5 @ 1:35 PM ET
[quote=laughs2907]

An Oilers fan trying to talk smack. How cute.

You guys aiming for another top 5 pick again this year? 6 of the last 7 years.

Has that ever happened before? I know Ottawa had 5 top three picks in a row.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:35 PM ET
Sportsnet too?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...mer-first-rounder-chabot/

does the Ottawa Citizen have a hate on for the Sens?

http://ottawacitizen.com/...senators-development-camp

How about the 6thsens.com

http://the6thsens.com/201...senators-went-all-in.html

Does Randy Lee have a Sens hate on too?

I don't know, it seems like some of these sources may be a little more pro-sens than you like to admit.

- prock
He has been pretty meh in development camp ,but in terms of overall development to say they are disappointed that would be a stretch
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:37 PM ET
[quote=laughs2907]

An Oilers fan trying to talk smack. How cute.

You guys aiming for another top 5 pick again this year? 6 of the last 7 years.

Has that ever happened before? I know Ottawa had 5 top three picks in a row.

- prock
Toronto has been real close in the past decade to replicating this ,who knows maybe Toronto goes two for 2 next season
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Dick Lick Springs, Arkansas, USA
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jul 5 @ 1:37 PM ET
[quote=laughs2907]

An Oilers fan trying to talk smack. How cute.

You guys aiming for another top 5 pick again this year? 6 of the last 7 years.

Has that ever happened before? I know Ottawa had 5 top three picks in a row.

- prock


1-2 more and I think we should be good
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:57 PM ET
Why a rebound of percentages could lead to a quick Leafs turnaround

http://theleafsnation.com...-a-quick-leafs-turnaround

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 2:20 PM ET
Ottawa Senators ‏@Senators
News Release: #Sens sign forward Ryan Dzingel to a one-year, two-way contract:


Plan the Parade
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:18 PM ET
Toronto has been real close in the past decade to replicating this ,who knows maybe Toronto goes two for 2 next season

- top shelf 15


Okay so the leafs have one for 5,so far. And if they go two more they'll have 3. ,and be halfway there.

that's close to you?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 6:59 AM ET
Plan the Parade
- senstroll

Probably the worst signing of the UFA season. Absolutely disgusting.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 6 @ 9:23 AM ET
Plan the Parade
- senstroll



Showed above average NHL speed when called up at end of last season, but still needs more development before becoming a full time NHLer......... will spend season in AHL.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:56 AM ET
Showed above average NHL speed when called up at end of last season, but still needs more development before becoming a full time NHLer......... will spend season in AHL.
- D0PPELGANGER



24yo ..should be ready by 28
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 11:09 AM ET
24yo ..should be ready by 28
- senstroll



just in time for unrestricted free agency. Good for him.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Dick Lick Springs, Arkansas, USA
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jul 6 @ 4:49 PM ET
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 5:07 PM ET

- laughs2907



McDavid is unbelievable. If he can't lead the Oilers to a playoff spot, they might as well pack up the franchise and give up.

I just hope being a part of the Oilers doesn't impact him too much. I love watching him play, and am excited to watch him play in international tournaments for years to come. I just don't want anyone to ruin that.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 6 @ 5:08 PM ET
Yeah, it makes no sense. They didn't really give up any talent. What they did is send some mediocre, easily replaceable players, packing for picks. A couple of depth centres, a depth winger, and an overpaid dman who could no longer crack the Leafs' top pairing, and was getting sheltered minutes, is all easily offset by some of the best young talent that the league has to offer, in Auston Matthews, Nylander, and Marner. I'd say there may be some growing pains, but somewhere around the 20 game mark (enough time for these guys to acclimate themselves to the NHL), and the contribution of any of the castoffs the Leafs sent packing will be offset.

Does that mean they'll be a top team? No, they'll probably still be a team near the bottom. But there was nothing they cut loose that that would have made a difference for anything more than a month or two, and will probably be a better team pretty quickly.

- prock


Right....for a bunch of years we listen to Leaf fans tell us how great Phil whatshisname is, he gets traded to the Penguins and Leaf fans pretend they never thought he was any good and now they forget he was ever even on their roster. Situation Leafs remains normal. Denial is easier than dealing with reality. Last place team that is likely going to set records for futility.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 5:17 PM ET
Right....for a bunch of years we listen to Leaf fans tell us how great Phil whatshisname is, he gets traded to the Penguins and Leaf fans pretend they never thought he was any good and now they forget he was ever even on their roster. Situation Leafs remains normal. Denial is easier than dealing with reality. Last place team that is likely going to set records for futility.
- spatso



Nice try. It's been said many times. Most still like Phil. He got an unfair shake from the media. He's one of the best snipers in the league. But he's still a complementary player. He won't win on a basement team like the Leafs, Sens, Yotes. He needs elite players like Crosby and Malkin to lead the way, of which, the aforementioned teams have none. I'm happy to see him win a cup.

As I said, the Leafs won't be a top team, that's for sure. But i think they'll be better than they were last year. They didn't lose anyone making an important contribution, and they're gaining some great young talent. The Sens can't say the same.

Now, I'm not one for advanced stats, but many point to PDO as the "luck" portion of a team's standings. Generally, over time, they normalize. Those stats suggest that the Leafs were unlucky in their games (lucky in terms of finishing lower, and obtaining a better pick, however), and the Sens were actually lucky, and probably should have finished lower.

They're both basement, garbage teams, it's just that one of them is adding some great young talent. The other added Dion Phaneuf.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Leafs finish ahead of the Sens next year. They were only 16 points back last year. I can see the Sens finishing bottom 3 or 4 in the NHL. It's fully feasible I'd say. They were the worst defensive team in the league last year. They're half way there.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Dick Lick Springs, Arkansas, USA
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jul 6 @ 5:17 PM ET
McDavid is unbelievable. If he can't lead the Oilers to a playoff spot, they might as well pack up the franchise and give up.

I just hope being a part of the Oilers doesn't impact him too much. I love watching him play, and am excited to watch him play in international tournaments for years to come. I just don't want anyone to ruin that.

- prock


If he can survive this, god love his cotton socks...


Joined: 12.31.1969

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