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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:17 AM ET
You don't have to get so rattled ............. take a deep breath, and just look under the Heading of "other" where Cowen, Gleason & Kessel are listed, along with their 2016 -17 salaries.

If the site is wrong, it's not my fault .............. but please explain where those salaries/buyouts belong, and who is paying them.

In the end these expenses are passed on to the ticket buyers... AKA the highest average ticket price in the NHL.

- D0PPELGANGER



It's not your fault you used it? Its not your fault that after being told you're wrong you still used it?

Da (frank)?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:22 AM ET
At least he's playing for the team, and playing top four minutes ............ the leafs have 13 MILLION on the books for next season that will not even set foot on the ice.
- D0PPELGANGER



If it's not hindering their cap why do you care? Such a weak attempt
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
This site does look a bit more detailed, but now when you add the "Injured Reserve", the "Buyouts ", the "Retained" & the " Buried" salaries for 2016-17, they total almost 13 MILLION ............ which again gets passed of to the ticket buyers.

Considering how gawd awful the leafs have been over the past decade (one playoff appearance) and being the worst team in the entire league last season ........... the cost of correcting(?) the past decade's ineptitude (almost 13M) is not something leaf fans should be lauding as a virtue of the organization.

This should be seen and "rock bottom", so perhaps is a way leaf fans can now see something better from this franchise in the distant future................... but I would not hold my breath.

- D0PPELGANGER


Well Clarkson (Horton), Robidas and Kessel were all Dave Nonis signings... the current group cant undo those so they have tried to move on ..and get out from under them with some moves...its not easy to undo such incompetence ..and its cant be done is 1 or 2 years as we see.

the managed to get rid of Phaneuf with little collateral damage... that was amazing..didnt think it was possible
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:26 AM ET
At least he's playing for the team, and playing top four minutes ............ the leafs have 13 MILLION on the books for next season that will not even set foot on the ice.
- D0PPELGANGER


thats a negative not a positive ..
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 10 @ 10:30 AM ET
At least he's playing for the team, and playing top four minutes ............ the leafs have 13 MILLION on the books for next season that will not even set foot on the ice.
- D0PPELGANGER


Every team in the league ends up with bad contracts at one time or another.

Toronto’ solution to bad contracts: Use any avenue allowed in the CBA to minimize cap impact.

Ottawa's solution to bad contracts: Trade them for an overpaid plyon that will cost them more in the long-term.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 10 @ 10:31 AM ET
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:39 AM ET
Every team in the league ends up with bad contracts at one time or another.

Toronto’ solution to bad contracts: Use any avenue allowed in the CBA to minimize cap impact.

Ottawa's solution to bad contracts: Trade them for an overpaid plyon that will cost them more in the long-term.

- Tumbleweed
Clueless
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 10 @ 10:44 AM ET
Clueless

- top shelf 15


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:52 AM ET

- Tumbleweed


Awesome. Leaf fan watching Kessel getting Conn Smyth as Pens win Stanley Cup
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:52 AM ET

- Tumbleweed

Cap hit doesnt matter to a team that never spends up to he cap ,real dollars do .And phaneuf,s deal goes down every year.He is the replacement for Methot ,seeing as per the expansion rule we will likely only have two defenders capable of being unprotected .Methot and Boro .This nonsense about what Phaneuf makes really has no bearing ,we gave up 12 mil in dead cap and took back 7.Add in the 2 mil you guys had already paid him in bonus money ,and the deal makes even more sense
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 11:02 AM ET
Awesome. Leaf fan watching Kessel getting Conn Smyth as Pens win Stanley Cup

- spatso



Most want to see him raise the cup with Pitts. Fail
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:16 AM ET
Cap hit doesnt matter to a team that never spends up to he cap ,real dollars do .And phaneuf,s deal goes down every year.He is the replacement for Methot ,seeing as per the expansion rule we will likely only have two defenders capable of being unprotected .Methot and Boro .This nonsense about what Phaneuf makes really has no bearing ,we gave up 12 mil in dead cap and took back 7.Add in the 2 mil you guys had already paid him in bonus money ,and the deal makes even more sense
- top shelf 15


cap hit matters..of course it (frank)ing does...its actually one of the most important things when building a winning team.. allocating the proper dollars ..if you are overpaying Dion to provide you what a 2 or 3 million dollar player can...then you cant pay another player what they deserve..maybe you then lose out on an elite forward.

that has been one of the Leafs biggest problems... and they dumped one of them on the Sens
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:27 AM ET
cap hit matters..of course it (frank)ing does...its actually one of the most important things when building a winning team.. allocating the proper dollars ..if you are overpaying Dion to provide you what a 2 or 3 million dollar player can...then you cant pay another player what they deserve..maybe you then lose out on an elite forward.

that has been one of the Leafs biggest problems... and they dumped one of them on the Sens

- senstroll
It does if you can spend to the cap ,ever see Ottawa do this ??The deal makes sense on so many levels for us ,and it works for what you guys want to do .Dont see why its so hard to see this deal for what it was which was a win/win.You guys dollars to avoid a cap hit ,we gained a decent 2nd pairing defender to help our team .At a low dollar cost
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 10 @ 11:27 AM ET
Awesome. Leaf fan watching Kessel getting Conn Smyth as Pens win Stanley Cup

- spatso


good for kessel. pens got a talented hockey player.

sens got a pylon.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 10 @ 11:28 AM ET
Cap hit doesnt matter to a team that never spends up to he cap ,real dollars do .And phaneuf,s deal goes down every year.He is the replacement for Methot ,seeing as per the expansion rule we will likely only have two defenders capable of being unprotected .Methot and Boro .This nonsense about what Phaneuf makes really has no bearing ,we gave up 12 mil in dead cap and took back 7.Add in the 2 mil you guys had already paid him in bonus money ,and the deal makes even more sense
- top shelf 15


Sens are paying $8M in actual salary to a pylon next year.

No matter how you slice it, that’s a very bad thing.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:30 AM ET
Sens are paying $8M in actual salary to a pylon next year.

No matter how you slice it, that’s a very bad thing.

- Tumbleweed
Yep and we would have been paying Cowen 3.7,Milo 4 and Greening,s 2.6 That is more than 8 mil ,point made
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:31 AM ET
It does if you can spend to the cap ,ever see Ottawa do this ??The deal makes sense on so many levels for us ,and it works for what you guys want to do .Dont see why its so hard to see this deal for what it was which was a win/win
- top shelf 15


Ottawa has a cap...doesnt matter if its what the league sets or not.. they have a cap
since they choose a number below the NHL cap..it makes it even more important to not (frank) up

read this, and the parts about Team-Level Salary Cap Efficiency ..this is something the leafs have failed at miserably...which is why they sucked

https://mapleleafshotstov...cago-blackhawks-playbook/

dion is one of the worst cap efficent contracts in the NHL..I have no doubt the leafs have been trying for a long time to find a sucker to take him


top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:34 AM ET
Ottawa has a cap...doesnt matter if its what the league sets or not.. they have a cap
since they choose a number below the NHL cap..it makes it even more important to not (frank) up

read this, and the parts about Team-Level Salary Cap Efficiency

https://mapleleafshotstov...cago-blackhawks-playbook/

dion is one of the worst cap efficent contracts in the NHL..I have no doubt the leafs have been trying for a long time to find a sucker to take him



- senstroll
And again ,we traded our dead cap for a useful player.Ottawa even after they resign their RFA,s should still have over 10 mil in space .Ottawa doesnt care about the cap hit ,only the dollars.Which the leafs paid a big chunk already for us to take him at a price we can live with
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:38 AM ET
And again ,we traded our dead cap for a useful player.Ottawa even after they resign their RFA,s should still have over 10 mil in space .Ottawa doesnt care about the cap hit ,only the dollars.Which the leafs paid a big chunk already for us to take him at a price we can live with
- top shelf 15


ok it doesnt matter if you want to save money this year...but if you are trying to build a winning team.. Dion is a huge drag on that..but that doesnt sound like a concern..just $$
for 1 year

try and suger coat the turd you bought..but its still a turd
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:42 AM ET
ok it doesnt matter if you want to save money this year...but if you are trying to build a winning team.. Dion is a huge drag on that..but that doesnt sound like a concern..just $$
for 1 year

try and suger coat the turd you bought..but its still a turd

- senstroll
Dion as 4th defender ,isnt a bad thing no matter how you try and slice it .You really dont have a clue on what Ottawa,s contract,s and future projections are so iam not going to bother
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 10 @ 11:46 AM ET
Yep and we would have been paying Cowen 3.7,Milo 4 and Greening,s 2.6 That is more than 8 mil ,point made
- top shelf 15


Exactly. It was two teams exchanging useless overpaid crap.

Enjoy your smelly pile of crap for the next 5 years
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 10 @ 11:47 AM ET
Dion as 4th defender ,isnt a bad thing no matter how you try and slice it .You really dont have a clue on what Ottawa,s contract,s and future projections are so iam not going to bother
- top shelf 15


you'll realize this is not true by about game 40 of this year.
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:54 AM ET
Dion as 4th defender ,isnt a bad thing no matter how you try and slice it .You really dont have a clue on what Ottawa,s contract,s and future projections are so iam not going to bother
- top shelf 15


dion as a 4th is exactly my point...bad cap management..very bad

I listen to tsn1200 many hours a week..I have a pretty good grasp on the sens unfortunately
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 10 @ 2:16 PM ET
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
This site shows over 7 MILLION in salary being paid, by the leafs, to players not on their roster for 2016 - 17.

Your argument is with this site not me.

You may argue the whether it's Buy out cash, salary retention or whatever ............ the team is paying these players, and they will not be on the roster next season ......... and the cost gets passed on to the ticket buyers.

- D0PPELGANGER



Ticket prices are determined by supply and demand. There is literally no link to player salaries at all. Zero.

if there were, the Sens would have had rock bottom ticket prices for most of their franchise's existence.

Joined: 12.31.1969

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