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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 7 @ 10:13 PM ET
http://www.hockeysfuture....t-rankings-2015-16/page/1



Guess where this is from.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:38 AM ET
I'm sure the same people who think this are the ones that thought Ceci took over the top dman spot at the world championships.

Until they realized they were just giving their top guys a rest, while the plugs got some ice against France and Hungary.

- prock


Wrong. Ceci had a great tournament and played exceptionally well. The change in his ice time was the direct result of adding Ellis to the roster. Ellis took over as #1D, especially in terms of power play time. Certainly, no shame in that for Ceci. It was his first World Championship tournament. Ellis is a fine Dman and I am sure most Ottawa fans and the Sens were thrilled by his performance.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:56 AM ET
The same place this came from?:

"The Toronto Maple Leafs have underwent a tremendous organizational overhaul in the past 18 months, and, as a result, the team’s prospect group is one of the best in the NHL. They’ll add to their already-impressive group in the upcoming draft, where they currently own 12 picks."

- systemtool


Nobody disputes that the Leafs are finally getting around to doing it the right way. After years of wandering in the wilderness credit is fully deserved for Shanahan and others for getting the team on a proper rebuild cycle. The Leafs are doing okay. Some Leaf fans, on the other hand, are struggling with having to concede that many of us, including me, were right in our condemnation of Fletcher, Burke, Nonis and a bunch of others who refused to stop the insanity. Everyone now wants to pretend it never happened. More important they want to deny their supportive role, their complicity in encouraging this grand hockey fraud.

So, when you see Kessel leading the pack as likely Conn Smyth winner it should not be dismissed as meaningless. It is part of the collateral damage that needed be paid in order to right the wrong. But you need to ask yourself where were you when it really mattered. I know where you were, you were on here defending the insanity of what was going on insisting that the Blue and White kool aid was perfect for everyone to see. Now, finally the Leafs are doing it right and you want a free pass.

Well you don't deserve it. You were part of the problem. You never stood up to MLSE, you never said what was wrong, you drank the kool aid and you believed them through all their incompetence and lies. You sound the same as you did with Nonis, as you did with Burke and you expect people to take you seriously. Not a chance.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 8 @ 5:56 AM ET
Nobody disputes that the Leafs are finally getting around to doing it the right way. After years of wandering in the wilderness credit is fully deserved for Shanahan and others for getting the team on a proper rebuild cycle. The Leafs are doing okay. The Leaf fans are struggling with having to concede that many of us, including me, were right in our condemnation of Fletcher, Burke, Nonis and a bunch of others who refused to stop the insanity. Everyone now wants to pretend it never happened. More important they want to deny their supportive role, their complicity in encouraging this grand hockey fraud.

So, when you see Kessel leading the pack as likely Conn Smyth winner it should not be dismissed as meaningless. It is part of the collateral damage that needed be paid in order to right the wrong. But you need to ask yourself where were you when it really mattered. I know where you were, you were on here defending the insanity of what was going on insisting that the Blue and White kool aid was perfect for everyone to see. Now, finally the Leafs are doing it right and you want a free pass.

Well you don't deserve it. You were part of the problem. You never stood up to MLSE, you never said what was wrong, you drank the kool aid and you believed them through all their incompetence and lies. You sound the same as you did with Nonis, as you did with Burke and you expect people to take you seriously. Not a chance.

- spatso

Dear god, seeing Melnyk penny pinch away any chances at building a good team has made you really unstable.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 8 @ 6:23 AM ET
Dear god, seeing Melnyk penny pinch away any chances at building a good team has made you really unstable.
- Feeling Glucky?


Really, do any of you guys ever think? Do you ever read or evaluate readily available public information? No other fan chants like the blue and white chorus. Over the years you have become so bitter and so unhappy all you can do is try and search out fault beyond the speck in your own eye. For years, we listened to blue and white fans dump on the rebuilding Oilers repeating that the Oilers are the worst team in Canada. When the Oiler fans said they were rebuilding around elite talent you still kept chanting "your worse than us." Now you have nowhere to go. Clearly the numbers tell us you are worst team in the NHL by a long and painful stretch. Enjoy the rebuild, it is the right thing to do. But, don't waste your time trying to create a mythology around the Leafs getting ready to challenge serious contenders.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 8 @ 6:39 AM ET
Dear god, seeing Melnyk penny pinch away any chances at building a good team has made you really unstable.
- Feeling Glucky?


And, so, have you actually looked at a projection of this year's spending for the Senators in relation to the cap? Have you compared likely Sens spending with the projected player spending by the Leafs? I did not think so!
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:06 AM ET
Really, do any of you guys ever think? Do you ever read or evaluate readily available public information? No other fan chants like the blue and white chorus. Over the years you have become so bitter and so unhappy all you can do is try and search out fault beyond the speck in your own eye. For years, we listened to blue and white fans dump on the rebuilding Oilers repeating that the Oilers are the worst team in Canada. When the Oiler fans said they were rebuilding around elite talent you still kept chanting "your worse than us." Now you have nowhere to go. Clearly the numbers tell us you are worst team in the NHL by a long and painful stretch. Enjoy the rebuild, it is the right thing to do. But, don't waste your time trying to create a mythology around the Leafs getting ready to challenge serious contenders.
- spatso



Such bullpoop.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 8 @ 7:48 AM ET
Nobody disputes that the Leafs are finally getting around to doing it the right way. After years of wandering in the wilderness credit is fully deserved for Shanahan and others for getting the team on a proper rebuild cycle. The Leafs are doing okay. Some Leaf fans, on the other hand, are struggling with having to concede that many of us, including me, were right in our condemnation of Fletcher, Burke, Nonis and a bunch of others who refused to stop the insanity. Everyone now wants to pretend it never happened. More important they want to deny their supportive role, their complicity in encouraging this grand hockey fraud.

So, when you see Kessel leading the pack as likely Conn Smyth winner it should not be dismissed as meaningless. It is part of the collateral damage that needed be paid in order to right the wrong. But you need to ask yourself where were you when it really mattered. I know where you were, you were on here defending the insanity of what was going on insisting that the Blue and White kool aid was perfect for everyone to see. Now, finally the Leafs are doing it right and you want a free pass.

Well you don't deserve it. You were part of the problem. You never stood up to MLSE, you never said what was wrong, you drank the kool aid and you believed them through all their incompetence and lies. You sound the same as you did with Nonis, as you did with Burke and you expect people to take you seriously. Not a chance.

- spatso


Which is exactly where you are with the senators right now. Exactly. You are part of their problem. The perpetual 10th place finishing team.

You too sound the same. Always making excues for bad moves like drafting Cowen. Trading for Phaneuf. Etc.

I know where you are and it's where you say we were.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:55 AM ET
Which is exactly where you are with the senators right now. Exactly. You are part of their problem. The perpetual 10th place finishing team.

You too sound the same. Always making excues for bad moves like drafting Cowen. Trading for Phaneuf. Etc.

I know where you are and it's where you say we were.

- systemtool



The irony of this is lost on him.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 8 @ 3:04 PM ET
So glad you are back.

I missed your completely (frank)ing clueless take on things.

- Pecafan Fan

twiztedmike
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:52 PM ET
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 8 @ 6:16 PM ET
And, so, have you actually looked at a projection of this year's spending for the Senators in relation to the cap? Have you compared likely Sens spending with the projected player spending by the Leafs? I did not think so!
- spatso

So, when a budget team is projected to spend a lot in a season, what does that tell you?

Let me do the heavy lifting for you.

1)They're "going for it", which, given their roster is laughable, but somewhat makes sense given the dearth of futures
2) They're gonna be making cuts.

And just as a little post script... don't you think it at least makes sense to wait for UFA season to start before talking about what teams are going to be spending? Do you also think that there might be a few more costs associated with running a hockey team than just what the players make?
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 8 @ 7:00 PM ET
So, when a budget team is projected to spend a lot in a season, what does that tell you?

Let me do the heavy lifting for you.

1)They're "going for it", which, given their roster is laughable, but somewhat makes sense given the dearth of futures
2) They're gonna be making cuts.

And just as a little post script... don't you think it at least makes sense to wait for UFA season to start before talking about what teams are going to be spending? Do you also think that there might be a few more costs associated with running a hockey team than just what the players make?

- Feeling Glucky?


True, there's the cost of all the buyouts and salary retention.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 8 @ 11:08 PM ET
True, there's the cost of all the buyouts and salary retention.
- golfingsince


Over 7 MILLION in salary retention next year ............. I wonder how that's a good thing?
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 8 @ 11:45 PM ET
Over 7 MILLION in salary retention next year ............. I wonder how that's a good thing?
- D0PPELGANGER


Simple answer.

The Leafs can afford it and the Sens can't therefore the Leafs are in a much better position!!!

Unless you're a shareholder............
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 9 @ 12:31 AM ET
Over 7 MILLION in salary retention next year ............. I wonder how that's a good thing?
- D0PPELGANGER

Just to be clear, which team are we talking about here?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 9 @ 4:07 AM ET
i think we need to keep things in perspective. Kessel will likely win the Conn Smyth. Laine is the favourite for the Calder next year and Ottawa fans are very happy with the Phaneuf deal. So what part of the pattern are you missing?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:04 AM ET
i think we need to keep things in perspective. Kessel will likely win the Conn Smyth. Laine is the favourite for the Calder next year and Ottawa fans are very happy with the Phaneuf deal. So what part of the pattern are you missing?
- spatso

No part. I've been calling you out on your trollish patterns for years.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: every day, once a day, give yourself a present, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 9 @ 7:16 AM ET
No part. I've been calling you out on your trollish patterns for years.
- Feeling Glucky?

I'm surprised you still attempt to have serious debates with him.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 9 @ 7:16 AM ET
No part. I've been calling you out on your trollish patterns for years.
- Feeling Glucky?


I talk hockey. I talk substance, I try to avoid personal insults, I am courteous, I am respectful. The mere fact that you disagree with my opinion does not mean that what I said was sincere and meaningful for others, although perhaps not for you.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:25 AM ET
I talk hockey. I talk substance, I try to avoid personal insults, I am courteous, I am respectful. The mere fact that you disagree with my opinion does not mean that what I said was sincere and meaningful for others, although perhaps not for you.
- spatso

This is about as accurate as your hockey evaluations... And makes about as much sense.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:26 AM ET
Over 7 MILLION in salary retention next year ............. I wonder how that's a good thing?
- D0PPELGANGER

Side note: anyone have any clarification on which team is mentioned here?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 9 @ 7:37 AM ET
Over 7 MILLION in salary retention next year ............. I wonder how that's a good thing?
- D0PPELGANGER



Who has 7mil in salary retention not year?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 9 @ 7:45 AM ET
So, when a budget team is projected to spend a lot in a season, what does that tell you?

Let me do the heavy lifting for you.

1)They're "going for it", which, given their roster is laughable, but somewhat makes sense given the dearth of futures
2) They're gonna be making cuts.

And just as a little post script... don't you think it at least makes sense to wait for UFA season to start before talking about what teams are going to be spending? Do you also think that there might be a few more costs associated with running a hockey team than just what the players make?

- Feeling Glucky?


Spasto, if you're so interested in talking hockey, why don't you actually address posts like this?

Seems to me you're far more interested in responding when people just laugh at you, because you like the reaction.

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