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daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 14 @ 4:45 PM ET
That's a bit optimistic.

Ottawa's re-build started with the 2011 entry draft when they had three first round picks.

So I'd suggest that you give the leafs another three or four drafts before you start thinking you team will be strongly contending for a playoff spot.

- D0PPELGANGER

Ottawa has been a borderline playoff team since 2011. Do you feel they have improved much since then? I ask because by looking at the standings from 11-12 to now it doesn't seem like it.

11-12: 8th
12-13: 7th
13-14: 11th
14-15: 7th
15-16 so far: 7th

Looks like they're treading water if you ask me.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 14 @ 4:50 PM ET
so

LEAFS
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 14 @ 5:07 PM ET
That's a bit optimistic.

Ottawa's re-build started with the 2011 entry draft when they had three first round picks.

So I'd suggest that you give the leafs another three or four drafts before you start thinking you team will be strongly contending for a playoff spot.

- D0PPELGANGER


First round picks 2011-2015 for the Sens

Zibanejad
Noesen
Puempel
Ceci
Lazar
chabot
white

First Round picks 2011-2015 for the Leafs

William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Frederik Gauthier
Morgan Rielly
Tyler Biggs
Stuart Percy

I highlighted the Blue Chip prospects drafted in your rebuild time window.
None for the Sens
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Dec 14 @ 9:05 PM ET
Sens leading while being outshot again: Lucky
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 10:16 PM ET
Sens leading while being outshot again: Lucky
- Pecafan Fan

Just the stat keepers trying to make Anderson look better.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Dec 14 @ 10:48 PM ET
Who the (frank) is MIKE ZEISBERGER'????
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 14 @ 11:12 PM ET
Who the (frank) is MIKE ZEISBERGER'????
- golfingsince


He has glasses that can destroy the ant population.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 15 @ 7:01 AM ET
Who the (frank) is MIKE ZEISBERGER'????
- golfingsince



He is the guy that does MIKE ZEISBERGER'S WEEKLY NHL POWER RANKINGS

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Dec 15 @ 7:39 AM ET
Just the stat keepers trying to make Anderson look better.
- Feeling Glucky?


Typical Ottawa
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 15 @ 9:44 AM ET
Sens leading while being outshot again: Lucky
- Pecafan Fan


NO................ Kings are unlucky
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 15 @ 9:48 AM ET
Rangers at home: 29 shots against per game
Rangers on the road: 33 shots against per game


Dopps, I see your point. They're definitely inflating the shot numbers to make Lundqvist look better.


... did you check it out before telling me to check it out?

- Feeling Glucky?



Over how many seasons?
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 15 @ 9:52 AM ET
Meh, teams that have the slow bruiser type ,s of defenders in their top 4 often get outshot.You cant be a slow semiskilled dman anymore and expect top 4 mins,the league is just far too fast now
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 15 @ 10:58 AM ET
Over how many seasons?
- D0PPELGANGER

Did you ignore the follow-up?

Those numbers where for this season... then the follow up was for the last 5.

Over the last 10 seasons, if you want:

30 shots against per game on the road
28 shots against per game at home
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 15 @ 11:50 AM ET
Did you ignore the follow-up?

Those numbers where for this season... then the follow up was for the last 5.

Over the last 10 seasons, if you want:

30 shots against per game on the road
28 shots against per game at home

- Feeling Glucky?



So the Homer Stats keepers in MSG are making the Rangers look defensively better than they are on the road.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 15 @ 11:54 AM ET
Doughty was a nice -3 on the night ,and EK was +2 and 2 points.Funny how whenever somebody else that should have won the norris has a bad night ,nobody ever call them out
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 15 @ 1:03 PM ET
So the Homer Stats keepers in MSG are making the Rangers look defensively better than they are on the road.
- D0PPELGANGER

Or teams are better at home.

http://hockeymetrics.net/home-ice-advantage/
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 15 @ 1:04 PM ET
Doughty was a nice -3 on the night ,and EK was +2 and 2 points.Funny how whenever somebody else that should have won the norris has a bad night ,nobody ever call them out
- top shelf 15

Doughty doesn't make nearly as many mistakes in his own end, that's probably why he's not criticized for that as much.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 15 @ 2:34 PM ET
Doughty was a nice -3 on the night ,and EK was +2 and 2 points.Funny how whenever somebody else that should have won the norris has a bad night ,nobody ever call them out
- top shelf 15

That's because nobody outside of Dopps gives a damn about +/-
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
So the Homer Stats keepers in MSG are making the Rangers look defensively better than they are on the road.
- D0PPELGANGER

Which is directly the opposite of what you were saying... and it's such a tiny difference, it's not worth mentioning.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 15 @ 6:01 PM ET
Doughty doesn't make nearly as many mistakes in his own end, that's probably why he's not criticized for that as much.
- daeth
He has a ton more turnovers than EK all over the ice ,i love Doughty but people need to calm down on the he is with flaw BS
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 15 @ 6:17 PM ET
He has a ton more turnovers than EK all over the ice ,i love Doughty but people need to calm down on the he is with flaw BS
- top shelf 15

Not a single coach in the NHL would have Karlsson on the ice with a one goal lead late in a game over Doughty.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 16 @ 9:10 AM ET
Not a single coach in the NHL would have Karlsson on the ice with a one goal lead late in a game over Doughty.
- daeth


what about down by 1 goal?
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM ET
what about down by 1 goal?
- senstroll

Karlsson is who you want in those situations.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 16 @ 9:39 AM ET
I keep hearing from (informed) leaf fans about how good their AHL team is doing, and how that will eventually mean good prospects being developed for the leafs, down the road. how many players do you see graduating to the leafs by this time next season?

Also wondering how well these fans follow the AHL overall, and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton in particular.

With the best record in the AHL, who one the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton roster do you see as players that will move into the Pittsburgh line up, IF the rumoured shake up of that team happens, and involves the moving out of some more of the veteran players.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 16 @ 1:26 PM ET
Not a single coach in the NHL would have Karlsson on the ice with a one goal lead late in a game over Doughty.
- daeth
EK is on the ice all the time in a defensive role,in the last min of a game .Its not like he doesnt understand how to play defense.He still can get to pucks quick, and do the high off the glass thing .

People need to understand why EK plays the way he does ,if you take a closer look at our defense its not really hard to see tbh
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