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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 3 @ 3:52 PM ET
Bernier Vs Hamburlgar
- the_cause2000


Is that back up vs back up? Thought Bernier was the leafs starter?
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 3 @ 3:52 PM ET
i will need more info

what is Bernier's extremely lame and pathetic nickname?

- Crimsoninja

nyay nyay
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 3 @ 3:53 PM ET
Is that back up vs back up? Thought Bernier was the leafs starter?
- D0PPELGANGER

shots fired! this will be such a great topic
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 3 @ 3:53 PM ET
Is that back up vs back up? Thought Bernier was the leafs starter?
- D0PPELGANGER


Yeah but he's a back up. At least, that's the way he plays.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 3 @ 3:54 PM ET
shots fired! this will be such a great topic
- the_cause2000

I'm already into it, a lot.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 3 @ 3:56 PM ET
I'm already into it, a lot.
- Pecafan Fan

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 3 @ 3:57 PM ET

- Crimsoninja


KNEE DEEP!
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 13-2-1, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jul 3 @ 4:00 PM ET
Ottawa will miss the playoffs next season.








Blue Jackets bump them out.

- Pecafan Fan

They have the next Ken Dryden. College goalie. [/img]
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 3 @ 4:03 PM ET
I'm already into it, a lot.
- Pecafan Fan



Don't think the leafs have signed him yet, and they have filed for arbitration with him.

If some of the rumours are true, the leafs management is hoping another team tenders him an offer sheet, so they can let him go, and take the compensation.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 3 @ 8:06 PM ET
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 3 @ 10:05 PM ET
And hurting the local Hot Dog industry in toronto..........



By Steve Simmons, Toronto Sun

First posted: Wednesday, July 01, 2015


The hot dog vendor who parks daily at Front and John Sts. just lost his most reliable customer.

Almost every afternoon at 2:30 p.m., often wearing a toque, Phil Kessel would wander from his neighbourhood condominium to consume his daily snack.

And now he’s gone.

read the entire excellent article at http://www.torontosun.com...-sick-and-tired-of-kessel

- D0PPELGANGER


http://www.pensionplanpup...kessel-hot-dog-story-real

Sad Simmons
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 5 @ 7:57 AM ET
Neither player lasted very long with the Bruins... And they didn't really get much return on them when all is said and done.




Edit: Spezza got a return?

Kessel, when all is said and done, got two firsts and a second. Kapanen was Pittsburgh's top forward prospect, Harrington their second ranked dman.

- Schenn-Sational!


if you look at it that way, then it wasn't just kessel.......you gave up kessel and 2 1st's (both prospects you gave up were mid 1st rd picks)
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 9:07 AM ET
Will not be able to get one leaf fan to agree that trading away picks (Seguin & Hamilton) for Kessel was a bad deal for leafs, even now seeing what little they received in return for Kessel once they got rid of him.


Guess all the rumours about him in Boston were true, as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too.

But then you'll never hear a leaf fan admit that there (now in hindsight) was there was some merit to those Boston rumours, after all.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 5 @ 9:14 AM ET
Will not be able to get one leaf fan to agree that trading away picks (Seguin & Hamilton) for Kessel was a bad deal for leafs, even now seeing what little they received in return for Kessel once they got rid of him.


Guess all the rumours about him in Boston were true, as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too.

But then you'll never hear a leaf fan admit that there (now in hindsight) was there was some merit to those Boston rumours, after all.

- D0PPELGANGER


really??

i find it's just the opposite.....most leaf fans that i know, in hindsight, feel that was a terrible deal for the leafs. at the time most felt it was good, but definitely not after they saw the players boston got. it's even worse now, that he was traded away for a relatively poor return (and salary had to be eaten).

i think only the very dumb, homer fans will stubornly say that deal worked out in toronto's favour.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 5 @ 9:19 AM ET
Will not be able to get one leaf fan to agree that trading away picks (Seguin & Hamilton) for Kessel was a bad deal for leafs, even now seeing what little they received in return for Kessel once they got rid of him.


Guess all the rumours about him in Boston were true, as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too.

But then you'll never hear a leaf fan admit that there (now in hindsight) was there was some merit to those Boston rumours, after all.

- D0PPELGANGER



Any evidence to support this? Or is this just more of the same from you (see your first sentence of this post)
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 5 @ 9:31 AM ET
Will not be able to get one leaf fan to agree that trading away picks (Seguin & Hamilton) for Kessel was a bad deal for leafs, even now seeing what little they received in return for Kessel once they got rid of him.


Guess all the rumours about him in Boston were true, as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too.

But then you'll never hear a leaf fan admit that there (now in hindsight) was there was some merit to those Boston rumours, after all.

- D0PPELGANGER



Has nothing to do with the first part of your comment..... If by that logic, then the Kessel deal was massive failure for Boston as well.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 4:28 PM ET
really??

i find it's just the opposite.....most leaf fans that i know, in hindsight, feel that was a terrible deal for the leafs. at the time most felt it was good, but definitely not after they saw the players boston got. it's even worse now, that he was traded away for a relatively poor return (and salary had to be eaten).

i think only the very dumb, homer fans will stubornly say that deal worked out in toronto's favour.

- sensarmy_11



The "Kessel trade" is not even listed.


The 25 Worst Trades in Toronto Maple Leafs History
https://the1jasontaylor.w...ple-leafs-history-1-to-5/
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 5 @ 4:31 PM ET
The "Kessel trade" is not even listed.


The 25 Worst Trades in Toronto Maple Leafs History
https://the1jasontaylor.w...ple-leafs-history-1-to-5/

- D0PPELGANGER

congrats on finding a random blog post from 2013

surely it represents all current leafs fans
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 4:39 PM ET
Any evidence to support this? Or is this just more of the same from you (see your first sentence of this post)
- burn



Ron Wilson said so, as did Randy Carlyle, Roman Polak & Carl Gunnerson

Ron Wilson "I think you can win with Phil Kessel,” he said. “He shows obvious signs of brilliance throughout the year. But Phil’s problem, and I think it’s pretty much the way Phil’s been his whole career, he’s two weeks on and two weeks off. … You can’t rely on Phil. It’s just the way it is.

“He comes and goes, and he gets emotional, and he lets that affect his game and his relationship with other players. But that’s just the nature of the beast. That’s what you have to coach. You have to know that Phil’s gonna give you everything he’s got for two or three weeks, and then for the next two or three weeks, everything seems to go wrong for Phil. That’s just the way it is.”


Roman Polak “Because it’s hard work. It’s always tough to do something you know you don’t like to do. I think we have lots of guys that just want to play offence.”


http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...sing-room-pretty-screwed/

http://news.nationalpost....screwed-up-player-reveals

Kessel officially now maple leafs' potential locker room problem
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...ential-loc?urn=nhl,190599








Need more?


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 4:42 PM ET
congrats on finding a random blog post from 2013

surely it represents all current leafs fans

- daeth


There are others, just linked one.


So answer this question with the benefit of hindsight........"the trade to acquire Kessel was good for the leafs organization, yes or no?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 5 @ 4:46 PM ET
There are others, just linked one.


So answer this question with the benefit of hindsight........"the trade to acquire Kessel was good for the leafs organization, yes or no?

- D0PPELGANGER

i think the_cause2000 said it perfectly. The trade itself was not that bad when it was made. It looked like those picks were going to be middle round picks. Unfortunately the leafs fell apart and they turned out to be high picks.

but i guess its better to ignore this so you can advance your anti-leafs agenda
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 5 @ 4:50 PM ET
There are others, just linked one.


So answer this question with the benefit of hindsight........"the trade to acquire Kessel was good for the leafs organization, yes or no?

- D0PPELGANGER

i hated it the moment i heard about it and that hasn't changed
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 5 @ 8:11 PM ET
if you look at it that way, then it wasn't just kessel.......you gave up kessel and 2 1st's (both prospects you gave up were mid 1st rd picks)
- sensarmy_11

No, if you look at it inteligently, Biggs is a bust and Erixon was a waiver pick up... Both Pittsburg prospects were highly regarded as of a minute before the trade went down.

Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 5 @ 8:15 PM ET
Will not be able to get one leaf fan to agree that trading away picks (Seguin & Hamilton) for Kessel was a bad deal for leafs, even now seeing what little they received in return for Kessel once they got rid of him.


Guess all the rumours about him in Boston were true, as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too.

But then you'll never hear a leaf fan admit that there (now in hindsight) was there was some merit to those Boston rumours, after all.

- D0PPELGANGER

Leafs got more for Kessel than Ottawa got for Heatly, Spezza, and Alfredsson, combined.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 5 @ 8:22 PM ET
Ron Wilson said so, as did Randy Carlyle, Roman Polak & Carl Gunnerson

Ron Wilson "I think you can win with Phil Kessel,” he said. “He shows obvious signs of brilliance throughout the year. But Phil’s problem, and I think it’s pretty much the way Phil’s been his whole career, he’s two weeks on and two weeks off. … You can’t rely on Phil. It’s just the way it is.

“He comes and goes, and he gets emotional, and he lets that affect his game and his relationship with other players. But that’s just the nature of the beast. That’s what you have to coach. You have to know that Phil’s gonna give you everything he’s got for two or three weeks, and then for the next two or three weeks, everything seems to go wrong for Phil. That’s just the way it is.”


Roman Polak “Because it’s hard work. It’s always tough to do something you know you don’t like to do. I think we have lots of guys that just want to play offence.”


http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...sing-room-pretty-screwed/

http://news.nationalpost....screwed-up-player-reveals

Kessel officially now maple leafs' potential locker room problem
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...ential-loc?urn=nhl,190599



Need more?

- D0PPELGANGER



Perhaps you didn't understand the question asked to you..... I'll allow you time to go back and try to understand the question if you need to.



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