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daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 12 @ 11:46 AM ET


Can't even swallow your pride long enough to give props on an incredible run. A run Leafs fans would be pounding their chest about if it were their team that accomplished something similar.

- Cape Breton Bruins

nobody hates the leafs more than leafs fans
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 12 @ 11:53 AM ET
nobody hates the leafs more than leafs fans
- daeth



I doubt no one actually hates the players, but hate how the team has been managed for the past decade, with their "Rinse lather repeat" style of assembling teams, and selling them (each time) as playoff contenders whenever a "re-tool" is made.

Every time "it's going to be different this time" is used, some fans buy into it and the cycle continues.

Now is this the time it's going to different?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 12 @ 11:55 AM ET
until the results change i'll continue to believe it's just more of the same
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 12 @ 11:58 AM ET
until the results change i'll continue to believe it's just more of the same
- daeth



When should Nylander make his regular season debut with the leafs?

Next season, this fall, or after an entire season in the AHL, in Oct. 2016?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 12 @ 12:03 PM ET
When should Nylander make his regular season debut with the leafs?

Next season, this fall, or after an entire season in the AHL, in Oct. 2016?

- Doppleganger

1-2 years? no need to rush him. if plays so well that you have to play him in the nhl earlier that's fine but i'd probably plan on having him grow in the ahl for quite a while.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Apr 12 @ 12:21 PM ET
no way I have to listen to the sens crap on the radio.
- senstroll



Fair enough. I get Oilers 24/7
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 12 @ 12:27 PM ET
Everything has changed, the leafs sat in 4th in the conference at .756 P%, and with a 95.5% chance of making the playoffs, on December 16th, that's less than 4 months ago.

The Senators were sitting 11 points back on the same date, with a .500 P% rating and about a 20% chance of making the playoffs.

Today the Senators see themselves finishing 7th in the division with 99 points, one less than the Red Wings, is making the Playoffs through the front door and barley had nothing to do with it, unless you're talking about the Senators sitting at home Last night having a beer will watching to see who they'd face in the first round.

Heck the Senators finished the 82 game season 13th overall in the league.

- Doppleganger


I mean over the last week... if the sens are out or in..doesnt change the situations. .

Sens are 13/14 (tied with 1 team)..thats in the middle of the league
and they needed a miracle run to get there...im glad it will primpt the sens to make some dumb moves.

golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 12 @ 1:06 PM ET
I mean over the last week... if the sens are out or in..doesnt change the situations. .

Sens are 13/14 (tied with 1 team)..thats in the middle of the league
and they needed a miracle run to get there...im glad it will primpt the sens to make some dumb moves.

- senstroll


The playoff revenue alone is worth it in Ottawa.

Also, teams and players gain confidence by winning. It usually translates to more success.

Imagine if the Leafs wouldn't have choked in game 7 against the B's? They probably would have been a playoff team the past 2 seasons.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 12 @ 2:58 PM ET
Insanity .

Says the same thing year after year despite proof otherwise.

- golfingsince

Do you see the Sens winning the cup with their core?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 12 @ 3:00 PM ET
But just think of all that money the Senator's Owner is going to make from all the playoff home games, and all that attendance that will be selling out the CTC, and of course all the TV rating the Sens are going to get thought their playoff run.
- Doppleganger

CTC rent is magically gonna go up, and the sens will be getting more cheques from teams like the Leafs.

Melnyk
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 12 @ 3:27 PM ET
CTC rent is magically gonna go up, and the sens will be getting more cheques from teams like the Leafs.

Melnyk

- Feeling Glucky?


This post is the definition of "I know my team is way worse than yours, I'm incredibly bitter, but feel the need to pathetically try and insult your team somehow"

so so weak......
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 12 @ 3:33 PM ET
This post is the definition of "I know my team is way worse than yours, I'm incredibly bitter, but feel the need to pathetically try and insult your team somehow"

so so weak......

- sensarmy_11

He was asking about money, so I answered him.


Why would Melnyk change what's been working so far?
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 12 @ 3:49 PM ET
Do you see the Sens winning the cup with their core?
- Feeling Glucky?

They're a lot closer to it than a team that finished 27th. They don't have too many pieces to add.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 12 @ 4:05 PM ET
They're a lot closer to it than a team that finished 27th. They don't have too many pieces to add.
- golfingsince

But how can they add those pieces?

Sens need a top line, 4-5 dmen, and a goalie to go as crazy as Hammond did down the stretch.

Think Hammond is going to repeat next season? Because without him, they'd have been battling with the Leafs in the bottom-5.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 12 @ 4:09 PM ET
But how can they add those pieces?

Sens need a top line, 4-5 dmen, and a goalie to go as crazy as Hammond did down the stretch.

Think Hammond is going to repeat next season? Because without him, they'd have been battling with the Leafs in the bottom-5.

- Feeling Glucky?


Sens need much less than you think they do, since you are clearly biased.

They do have an elite Dman, something you dream that Rielly will turn into.

They can acquire one or two good pieces this year with a good draft.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 12 @ 4:13 PM ET
Sens need much less than you think they do, since you are clearly biased.

They do have an elite Dman, something you dream that Rielly will turn into.

They can acquire one or two good pieces this year with a good draft.

- golfingsince

Yea. And 5 no-name guys to go with him.

They've got a couple of good second lines up front... but what it comes down to with them is goaltending. Do you honestly think they'd be in the playoffs with out Hammond's magic run?

And do you honestly see Melnyk spending the money to put them over the top?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 12 @ 4:32 PM ET
Yea. And 5 no-name guys to go with him.

They've got a couple of good second lines up front... but what it comes down to with them is goaltending. Do you honestly think they'd be in the playoffs with out Hammond's magic run?

And do you honestly see Melnyk spending the money to put them over the top?

- Feeling Glucky?


your bitterness and jealousy (masked by an attempt to try and put the sens down) is delicious.

nothing better than a bitter and delusional leafs fan.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 12 @ 4:50 PM ET
Yea. And 5 no-name guys to go with him.

They've got a couple of good second lines up front... but what it comes down to with them is goaltending. Do you honestly think they'd be in the playoffs with out Hammond's magic run?

And do you honestly see Melnyk spending the money to put them over the top?

- Feeling Glucky?


sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 12 @ 4:52 PM ET
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Apr 12 @ 5:03 PM ET

- sensarmy_11



Is that Eric staal grade 7 photo?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 12 @ 5:16 PM ET
Is that Eric staal grade 7 photo?
- burn


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 12 @ 7:53 PM ET
your bitterness and jealousy (masked by an attempt to try and put the sens down) is delicious.

nothing better than a bitter and delusional leafs fan.

- sensarmy_11

It's an awesome run you guys are on, no doubt.


Just don't see it as more than a fluke run, give the roster.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM ET
It's an awesome run you guys are on, no doubt.


Just don't see it as more than a fluke run, give the roster.

- Feeling Glucky?



glucky........what you get when you merge hater and butthurt into one person.

will be interesting to see procks posts



Andrew_Worth75
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.15.2006

Apr 13 @ 12:03 AM ET
uggghhhhh its actually getting painful to continue to come here......247 pages of the same arguments......right NOW the sense are in a better position......the play offs.........in 4 years is it possibly the leafs will be? yes if all the prospects turn out as they are projected, and all the sense prospects come back to earth........


Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 13 @ 7:25 AM ET
He was asking about money, so I answered him.


Why would Melnyk change what's been working so far?

- Feeling Glucky?



I was only talking "your talk" as you can only measure the success of a NHL team by the amount of money it make, the attendance number and the TV rating.

These are the three most important things, in your eyes, for a NHL team. That's always how you respond when it's pointed out how the leafs performance on the ice over the past decade has been dwarfed by the Senators.

Your standard come back is always "leafs always sell out, always have higher TV rating and the teams owners are making a TON of cash"

So over the past decade Ottawa has played 56 playoff games, including 27 home games. While the have amassed a grand total of 7 playoff games with 3 home games.

So in the three key categories that YOU always laud over Senator fans, during the regular season, the Senators have been demolishing the leafs in all three when it comes to playoff performance.
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