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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 21 @ 5:16 PM ET
Actually got to watch Pastmak live last week.


Just pointing out that there were high expectations for other Swedes, before they'd even played a game in the NHL, Rundblad came to mind, and there was Fabian Burnsham(?) or something like that..........

Point is, don't anoint Nylander the next messiah until you see him play at the NHL level.

- Doppleganger

and again... none of those guys put up the numbers Nylander put up at 18. Most weren't even in the swedish elite league at that age.

I'm not annointing him as the next messiah. We've just been saying he's better than any Ottawa prospect. Which isn't much of a feat.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 5:22 PM ET
you should probably wait until he is a 25 year old rookie before puffing out your chest
- Crimsoninja



Leopards don't change their spots. the leafs will rush him into their line up next year, and the expectations will be sky high. He'll not be able to live up to them, and by the time he's 25, leaf fans will be calling for him to be traded.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 5:32 PM ET
and again... none of those guys put up the numbers Nylander put up at 18. Most weren't even in the swedish elite league at that age.

I'm not annointing him as the next messiah. We've just been saying he's better than any Ottawa prospect. Which isn't much of a feat.

- Feeling Glucky?



So then he's not all that good then, using you criteria.

Would you rank him above other 18 year olds?

Like Sam Bennett, Leon Draisaitl, Travis Sanheim, MIchael Dal Colle or Dylan Larkin all whom are (I think are still) 18?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 21 @ 5:42 PM ET
Leopards don't change their spots. the leafs will rush him into their line up next year, and the expectations will be sky high. He'll not be able to live up to them, and by the time he's 25, leaf fans will be calling for him to be traded, and I will ignore all facts about how good he is.
- Doppleganger


It's a good thing organizations aren't leopards, and people aren't spots.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 21 @ 5:44 PM ET
So then he's not all that good then, using you criteria.

Would you rank him above other 18 year olds?

Like Sam Bennett, Leon Draisaitl, Travis Sanheim, MIchael Dal Colle or Dylan Larkin all whom are (I think are still) 18?

- Doppleganger

Offensively he certainly appears to be ahead of some of those guys, yes.


What criteria did I post that show him as not being very good?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 21 @ 6:31 PM ET
It's a good thing organizations aren't leopards, and people aren't spots.
- Feeling Glucky?

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 21 @ 6:48 PM ET

- daeth

Except for Steve Spott, I guess.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 22 @ 7:21 AM ET
Offensively he certainly appears to be ahead of some of those guys, yes.


What criteria did I post that show him as not being very good?

- Feeling Glucky?



Well TSNs Craig Button posted this article, I don't know the date, but has him ranked below these other 18 year old NHL-affiliated prospects , but certainly higher than any Sens young prospect as they're further along in their re-build and their prospects have graduated tot he NHL level.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.183391
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:12 AM ET
Well TSNs Craig Button posted this article, I don't know the date, but has him ranked below these other 18 year old NHL-affiliated prospects , but certainly higher than any Sens young prospect as they're further along in their re-build and their prospects have graduated tot he NHL level.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.183391

- Doppleganger

Craig Button. Yikes.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Mar 22 @ 8:23 AM ET
Well TSNs Craig Button posted this article, I don't know the date, but has him ranked below these other 18 year old NHL-affiliated prospects , but certainly higher than any Sens young prospect as they're further along in their re-build and their prospects have graduated tot he NHL level.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.183391

- Doppleganger



Craig button
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 22 @ 9:44 AM ET
Well TSNs Craig Button posted this article, I don't know the date, but has him ranked below these other 18 year old NHL-affiliated prospects , but certainly higher than any Sens young prospect as they're further along in their re-build and their prospects have graduated tot he NHL level.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.183391

- Doppleganger

Yes, and Corey Pronman listed Nylander as the best prospect not in the NHL right now.

remember?

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
Yes, and Corey Pronman listed Nylander as the best prospect not in the NHL right now.

remember?

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

- Feeling Glucky?


The thing is, I find Pronman ALMOST, but not quite, as bad as Button.

Button is a straight up idiot though.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 22 @ 10:46 PM ET
OK, Sens win.

Maybe you'll have better luck here Leaf fans.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hp?thread_id=125160&dbm=1
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 22 @ 11:08 PM ET
The thing is, I find Pronman ALMOST, but not quite, as bad as Button.

Button is a straight up idiot though.

- prock

Redline Report is my favourite. Don't have any stats to back up that they're rankings are good but they make the most sense to me(although there's always a few players I disagree on).
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 22 @ 11:33 PM ET
Yes, and Corey Pronman listed Nylander as the best prospect not in the NHL right now.

remember?

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

- Feeling Glucky?



I'll take your word for it as I've yet to see him play in the AHL. But will get to see him next year when the leafs rush him into the lineup.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 22 @ 11:43 PM ET
Update


ClubSportStats now have these ranking, (chances to make the playoffs)

Ottawa 65.5%
Boston 38.9%


I'm guessing this is based on Boston's tougher schedule Vs Ottawa's.

Fact is that Boston has to lose more games to realistically allow the Senators, who need to win most of theirs', to get in.

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 23 @ 8:28 AM ET
Update


ClubSportStats now have these ranking, (chances to make the playoffs)

Ottawa 65.5%
Boston 38.9%


I'm guessing this is based on Boston's tougher schedule Vs Ottawa's.

Fact is that Boston has to lose more games to realistically allow the Senators, who need to win most of theirs', to get in.

- Doppleganger

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 8:47 AM ET
Leopards don't change their spots. the leafs will rush him into their line up next year, and the expectations will be sky high. He'll not be able to live up to them, and by the time he's 25, leaf fans will be calling for him to be traded.
- Doppleganger



I know that is what you are praying for so you can keep searching the internet for Leafs articles to post..but everything about the way the leafs operate has been changed now. You have not been paying attention..or you just chose to ignore the info you have been shown..
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 23 @ 9:14 AM ET
I know that is what you are praying for so you can keep searching the internet for Leafs articles to post..but everything about the way the leafs operate has been changed now. You have not been paying attention..or you just chose to ignore the info you have been shown..
- senstroll

It may have changed but if it's any better remains to be seen
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 9:19 AM ET
It may have changed but if it's any better remains to be seen
- Cape Breton Bruins


It cant be worse
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 23 @ 9:29 AM ET
It cant be worse
- senstroll

Well you got me there. I think Shanahan will do fine, it's not going to happen overnight. Are Leafs fans ready for 2-3 more years of losing if it means bringing about meaningful change?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 23 @ 9:38 AM ET
Well you got me there. I think Shanahan will do fine, it's not going to happen overnight. Are Leafs fans ready for 2-3 more years of losing if it means bringing about meaningful change?
- Cape Breton Bruins

Do we have a choice?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 9:40 AM ET
Well you got me there. I think Shanahan will do fine, it's not going to happen overnight. Are Leafs fans ready for 2-3 more years of losing if it means bringing about meaningful change?
- Cape Breton Bruins


as opposed to what? the past 10 years of winning

that question always makes me laugh.. like we have had it so good.. are we willing to sacrifice and put up with losing now.

the team has sucked while not building a solid prospect pool and developing them... I think we can put up with sucking and building a solid prospect pool and developing them
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 23 @ 9:43 AM ET
as opposed to what? the past 10 years of winning

that question always makes me laugh.. like we have had it so good.. are we willing to sacrifice and put up with losing now.

the team has sucked while not building a solid prospect pool and developing them... I think we can put up with sucking and building a solid prospect pool and developing them

- senstroll



Fair enough. Sometimes we outsiders get confused after reading posts and opinions over that time where things were just peachy.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 23 @ 9:47 AM ET
as opposed to what? the past 10 years of winning

that question always makes me laugh.. like we have had it so good.. are we willing to sacrifice and put up with losing now.

the team has sucked while not building a solid prospect pool and developing them... I think we can put up with sucking and building a solid prospect pool and developing them

- senstroll

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hp?thread_id=57175&page=1

Apparently the cupboard was half stocked in 2009
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