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Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 20 @ 5:01 PM ET
Horachek didn't change anything.
- Pecafan Fan

The leafs situation right now is just as toxic as the Oilers. The core has been together for 3 to 4 years and haven't done anything to suggest they should be kept together. Reilly is the only untouchable. Ground floor rebuild is the only option.

They have pieces that can fetch them some nice building blocks but they have to be smart cause they only have the one chance.

Phaneuf
Kadri
Reimer
Lupul

Need to go immediately. I listen to offers for Kessel and Jvr but it has to be juicy. Keep the Nylander kid. Retain maybe Bozak and Komorov.

They have a long long road ahead of them if the want to be considered even a remotely success on ice team. Right now, the Sens have the edge.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 20 @ 5:03 PM ET
stats suggest otherwise
- daeth


Carlyle was fired because the leafs were already into their downward spirale. Let's not forget that.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 20 @ 5:07 PM ET
the entire team has stopped scoring. these last 30 games aren't the norm.
- daeth


Seems like it IS the norm with that team to crash and burn at one point or another. They did the same last year.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 20 @ 5:09 PM ET
The leafs situation right now is just as toxic as the Oilers. The core has been together for 3 to 4 years and haven't done anything to suggest they should be kept together. Reilly is the only untouchable. Ground floor rebuild is the only option.

They have pieces that can fetch them some nice building blocks but they have to be smart cause they only have the one chance.

Phaneuf
Kadri
Reimer
Lupul

Need to go immediately. I listen to offers for Kessel and Jvr but it has to be juicy. Keep the Nylander kid. Retain maybe Bozak and Komorov.

They have a long long road ahead of them if the want to be considered even a remotely success on ice team. Right now, the Sens have the edge.

- Cape Breton Bruins

I love how every canadian now matter where from can totally break down the leafs situation at all times.

You do lay it out pretty well, imo.

now do the Flyers. for real. I would appreciate the perspective
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 20 @ 5:20 PM ET
Seems like it IS the norm with that team to crash and burn at one point or another. They did the same last year.
- Pecafan Fan

Well yeah, the Leafs are awful and have been for a long time. It's been extremely rare for this team to crash and burn offensively for any significant amount of time though. I find it interesting that somehow the last 30 games are statistically more significant than the prior 100+ where both Kessel and JVR were essentially point a game players. What happened 30 games ago? The team changed coaches.

I'm not even meaning to only direct that at you, most people including Leafs fans seem to be thinking like this. Dump Kessel, trade JVR, etc etc. It's a bit crazy what 30 games can do.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 20 @ 5:22 PM ET
Carlyle was fired because the leafs were already into their downward spirale. Let's not forget that.
- Pecafan Fan

The Leafs didn't go from a good team to a bad team with the coaching change but they did go from a top offensive team to a bottom offensive team with that change. Seriously, I think they were top 3-5 in goals per game before the change and have been dead last in that category since.. even behind Buffalo.

They've been a good offensive team just about every year with Carlyle so I don't think it was a fluke and now this is the norm.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 20 @ 5:27 PM ET
I love how every canadian now matter where from can totally break down the leafs situation at all times.

You do lay it out pretty well, imo.

now do the Flyers. for real. I would appreciate the perspective

- Crimsoninja

-get a new defense
-profit?

the flyers are in way better shape than the leafs.
jordan456789
Joined: 10.27.2007

Mar 20 @ 5:32 PM ET
the entire team has stopped scoring. these last 30 games aren't the norm.
- daeth


I know what you are sayingI just don't think you can say he is having a bad year when statistically he is on par
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 20 @ 5:50 PM ET
The leafs situation right now is just as toxic as the Oilers. The core has been together for 3 to 4 years and haven't done anything to suggest they should be kept together. Reilly is the only untouchable. Ground floor rebuild is the only option.

They have pieces that can fetch them some nice building blocks but they have to be smart cause they only have the one chance.

Phaneuf
Kadri
Reimer
Lupul

Need to go immediately. I listen to offers for Kessel and Jvr but it has to be juicy. Keep the Nylander kid. Retain maybe Bozak and Komorov.

They have a long long road ahead of them if the want to be considered even a remotely success on ice team. Right now, the Sens have the edge.

- Cape Breton Bruins

I'd keep Kadri. Likely low value right now, but the underlying stats are reflective of a 1st liner. Unless they're getting a great return for him, moving him now would be silly. Giving him an opportunity next season with others traded away will at least make him a more tradeable asset.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 20 @ 6:10 PM ET
I love how every canadian now matter where from can totally break down the leafs situation at all times.

You do lay it out pretty well, imo.

now do the Flyers. for real. I would appreciate the perspective

- Crimsoninja

They are discussed on every major national network around the clock no matter their status or standing and are shown more then every other team as well. If you include the pre NHL centre ice era I've probably seen as many Leafs and Habs games then the Bruins. And if you go all the way back to my childhood before TSN was really national CBC was it for hockey.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 20 @ 6:15 PM ET
I'd keep Kadri. Likely low value right now, but the underlying stats are reflective of a 1st liner. Unless they're getting a great return for him, moving him now would be silly. Giving him an opportunity next season with others traded away will at least make him a more tradeable asset.
- Feeling Glucky?

I'd keep Kadri but then Kessel has to go to signal who you're hitching your wagon too. Phil is an elite scorer but he needs much different pieces around him to justify his wage in terms of constructing a winner. Toews level pieces. Not gonna happen. But freeing up $8m in cap space and getting valuable assets in return as well must be enticing to Shanahan. Especially considering the type of player he was.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 20 @ 6:21 PM ET
the Flyers are undergoing an identity crisis. They seem to have too many silent leaders and really lack any kind of presence on the back end. I believe Rextall will straighten it out quickly. He made some really nice moves at the deadline.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 7:00 AM ET
5 goals in his last 30 games
9 points in his last 30 games

sorry, he's having a poop year. he's capable of much more.

- daeth



As is Hoffmann.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 7:05 AM ET
I'd keep Kadri. Likely low value right now, but the underlying stats are reflective of a 1st liner. Unless they're getting a great return for him, moving him now would be silly. Giving him an opportunity next season with others traded away will at least make him a more tradeable asset.
- Feeling Glucky?



Nonis was shopping him around last summer, so I'd be surprised that he'd now be in their future plans, with the scorched earth thingy.


IF they hold to their publicly stated total re-build, who would you like the leafs to draft in 2017, and how will be be better than any other draftee that year?

http://www.hockeysfuture....ve-top-prospects#/slide/1
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Mar 21 @ 8:38 AM ET
As is Hoffmann.
- Doppleganger



A 25 year old rookie and you know he is capable of more???
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 21 @ 3:30 PM ET
As is Hoffmann.
- Doppleganger

That's a guess on your part. I say that about JVR because his history suggests he's not a 9 points in 30 games type player. He had 116 points in his last 140 games prior to the coaching change. That's a 68 point pace over a pretty significant amount of time.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 4:10 PM ET
A 25 year old rookie and you know he is capable of more???
- burn


Well we know there are no leafs capable of scoring more goal than him, this season so far, perhaps Kessel gets a hat-trick tonight when they beat the Sens eh?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 21 @ 4:30 PM ET
Nylander's 0.72ppg is one of the best paces an 18 year old has put up in the AHL in the last 40 years.


Interesting.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 4:37 PM ET
Nylander's 0.72ppg is one of the best paces an 18 year old has put up in the AHL in the last 40 years.


Interesting.

- Feeling Glucky?



0.71

http://theahl.com/stats/s...4&division_id=-1&confId=0

And Rundblad was gong to be a superstar from Sweden, before he came to the NHL.


Who are the others, that he's being compared to?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 21 @ 4:42 PM ET
0.71

http://theahl.com/stats/s...4&division_id=-1&confId=0

And Rundblad was gong to be a superstar from Sweden, before he came to the NHL.


Who are the others, that he's being compared to?

- Doppleganger

nylander has a goal today
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 4:45 PM ET
nylander has a goal today
- daeth



http://ahl.neulion.com/ahl/
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 21 @ 4:47 PM ET
And Rundblad was gong to be a superstar from Sweden, before he came to the NHL.


Who are the others, that he's being compared to?

- Doppleganger

Not sure to be honest, article only mentions that he's the 6th best since '74... but I'd assume that list includes Boston's Pastrnak.

Rundblad was also a few years older than Nylander... numbers at the same age don't even compare... but why would you go with a fair comparison, eh?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 21 @ 4:53 PM ET
nylander has a goal today
- daeth


http://theahl.com/stats/gamebygame.php?id=5805

Very interesting, in his first month, he only had 2 points in 4 games (.5ppg)
In the second month he improved his pace to just over that with 7 in 12.

Now he has 8 points in his last 8 games played(counting today's).


Seems like he's getting used to the north american game pretty quickly.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 21 @ 5:12 PM ET
Not sure to be honest, article only mentions that he's the 6th best since '74... but I'd assume that list includes Boston's Pastrnak.

Rundblad was also a few years older than Nylander... numbers at the same age don't even compare... but why would you go with a fair comparison, eh?

- Feeling Glucky?



Actually got to watch Pastmak live last week.


Just pointing out that there were high expectations for other Swedes, before they'd even played a game in the NHL, Rundblad came to mind, and there was Fabian Burnsham(?) or something like that..........

Point is, don't anoint Nylander the next messiah until you see him play at the NHL level.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 21 @ 5:15 PM ET
Nylander's 0.72ppg is one of the best paces an 18 year old has put up in the AHL in the last 40 years.


Interesting.

- Feeling Glucky?

you should probably wait until he is a 25 year old rookie before puffing out your chest
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