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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 28 @ 10:59 AM ET
Great signing, 30 goal scorer, hometown discount.
- golfingsince



It's funny Becuse no one said it?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 28 @ 10:59 AM ET
Just wondering what you think might be happening, or what you think they should do.

Ride out the season, and wait for the draft to do anything?

- Doppleganger


Do what? There is nothing they can do with clarkson he's here for 5more horrendous years.

He has a full nmc. He cannot be put on waivers. His contract is structured in such a way it's nearly impossible to buyout. Were stuck.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 28 @ 11:05 AM ET
Do what? There is nothing they can do with clarkson he's here for 5more horrendous years.

He has a full nmc. He cannot be put on waivers. His contract is structured in such a way it's nearly impossible to buyout. Were stuck.

- burn

And with the sinking Canadian dollar it's hard to imagine the cap increasing too much the next season or two.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 28 @ 11:25 AM ET
Do what? There is nothing they can do with clarkson he's here for 5more horrendous years.

He has a full nmc. He cannot be put on waivers. His contract is structured in such a way it's nearly impossible to buyout. Were stuck.

- burn




WOW! Just read this http://www.theglobeandmai...contract/article17783243/

Great agent, who did the negotiating for the leafs?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 28 @ 12:20 PM ET
WOW! Just read this http://www.theglobeandmai...contract/article17783243/

Great agent, who did the negotiating for the leafs?

- Doppleganger


Leafs got bent over on his deal.. Nonis and Loiselle or Poulin whoever was the cap guy ...that combo did all the damage. so much damage done

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 28 @ 1:17 PM ET
Leafs got bent over on his deal.. Nonis and Loiselle or Poulin whoever was the cap guy ...that combo did all the damage. so much damage done
- senstroll

and that;s why weve got a new cap guy
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 28 @ 1:24 PM ET
and that;s why weve got a new cap guy
- Feeling Glucky?


good info here

http://www.pensionplanpup...pologist-assistant-to-the

It's not like Pridham doesn't have a low bar to leap over for success. Claude Loiselle was incompetent in his job: his work on the buyout proof David Clarkson deal is a good example although let's not forget the terrible John-Michael Liles deal or the ridiculous reasoning for not taking Bolland's injury into account or the Tim Gleason buyout that shouldn't have been are all big markers suggesting Loiselle was awful at his job


sounds a bit more qualified than Loiselle

Pridham began his career at the NHL in 1999 as a coordinator in NHL Central Scouting. Over the past fifteen years at the League, Pridham has served in a number of capacities in the Central Scouting and Central Registry departments with duties that included serving as the contact person for NHL General Managers, Assistant General Managers and NHL Executives on issues involving the CBA, salary cap and NHL Central Scouting department.



Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jan 30 @ 6:51 AM ET
Ok, January 30th 2014. Leafs allow a short-handed goal 5 seconds into the third period. From the red line. Not to be so badly outdone, Sens allow TWO short-handed goals in the last minute of the third. Into the empty net from the offensive zone.

Race you to the bottom, boys!
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 30 @ 7:02 AM ET
Ok, January 30th 2014. Leafs allow a short-handed goal 5 seconds into the third period. From the red line. Not to be so badly outdone, Sens allow TWO short-handed goals in the last minute of the third. Into the empty net from the offensive zone.

Race you to the bottom, boys!

- Mr_Squeaks



The Stars practise shooting into the empty net from their defensive zone at the end of every practise.


Let the selling begin.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 30 @ 7:14 AM ET
Ok, January 30th 2014. Leafs allow a short-handed goal 5 seconds into the third period. From the red line. Not to be so badly outdone, Sens allow TWO short-handed goals in the last minute of the third. Into the empty net from the offensive zone.

Race you to the bottom, boys!

- Mr_Squeaks


both sad, but having an empty net goal (or two) scored against you is not nearly in the same realm of awful as the goal that bernier gave up.

end result is the same, but that was EASILY the worst goal given up by any goalie this year.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 30 @ 8:05 AM ET



Bernier, as a 26 year old, just played 55 games posting a .923 sv%. That's a .923 sv% playing enough games to be considered a starter for the full year.

You can project all you like, that's something Craig Anderson has never managed to do.

Project all you want, Bernier is a better goalie, and a more proven starter, at 26, than Craig Anderson is at 33.

- prock





Craig Anderson sitting sixth in the NHL among the Sv% Leaders at .927
Jonathan Bernier sitting twenty-first in the NHL among the Sv% Leaders at .915


Craig Anderson sitting eighteenth in the NHL among the GAA Leaders at 2.37
Jonathan Bernier sitting thirtieth in the NHL among the Sv% Leaders at 2.71





Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jan 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
The Stars practise shooting into the empty net from their defensive zone at the end of every practise.

Let the selling begin.

- Doppleganger


Sorry mister - that loss bummed me out a bit.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:40 AM ET
Ok, January 30th 2014. Leafs allow a short-handed goal 5 seconds into the third period. From the red line. Not to be so badly outdone, Sens allow TWO short-handed goals in the last minute of the third. Into the empty net from the offensive zone.

Race you to the bottom, boys!

- Mr_Squeaks

We're winning
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 30 @ 9:45 AM ET
We're winning
- Feeling Glucky?



Lets see who (if anyone) the Sens ship out prior to the deadline, perhaps the Sens can close that gap.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 30 @ 10:15 AM ET
Lets see who (if anyone) the Sens ship out prior to the deadline, perhaps the Sens can close that gap.
- Doppleganger

The only UFAs the Sens have are Methot and Condra... don't see them being too active.


Leafs are probably going to be moving out Santorelli, Winnik, and Franson, but also have Booth, Smith, and Holzer as UFAs.


Obviously UFAs aren't the only ones that are going to get moved, but they are the most likely targets. Apparently teams have interest in Lupul, and I'm sure guys like Legwand, Neil and Phillips will get some interest, but longer contracts usually don't go until the off-season.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 30 @ 11:14 AM ET
The only UFAs the Sens have are Methot and Condra... don't see them being too active.


Leafs are probably going to be moving out Santorelli, Winnik, and Franson, but also have Booth, Smith, and Holzer as UFAs.


Obviously UFAs aren't the only ones that are going to get moved, but they are the most likely targets. Apparently teams have interest in Lupul, and I'm sure guys like Legwand, Neil and Phillips will get some interest, but longer contracts usually don't go until the off-season.

- Feeling Glucky?


Or next year when they're pending UFAs.



If they cannot re-sign Methot, he'll be dealt, Condra I'm not so sure as his stock has risen within the roster, but if they get a decent offer he could be gone too.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 30 @ 11:20 AM ET
Or next year when they're pending UFAs.



If they cannot re-sign Methot, he'll be dealt, Condra I'm not so sure as his stock has risen within the roster, but if they get a decent offer he could be gone too.

- Doppleganger


having pageau makes condra completely expendable.....they're essentially the same player IMO
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 30 @ 11:26 AM ET
having pageau makes condra completely expendable.....they're essentially the same player IMO
- sensarmy_11



Yeah, I agree, and will not be surprised to see him go to a contender who wants a PK specialist. Lazar can pretty much slip into the JGP role with Condra gone and JGP moving up into Condras' vacated role if shipped out.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
Or next year when they're pending UFAs.



If they cannot re-sign Methot, he'll be dealt, Condra I'm not so sure as his stock has risen within the roster, but if they get a decent offer he could be gone too.

- Doppleganger


But we're talking about this year's dive for five. They may be targets for teams this year, despite their contracts not ending now.

I think the Leafs have more guys they can dump, and they might get some decent picks out of it, too. 2nds for Santo and Winnik, and a 1st for Franson all seem like they could happen. Given how Franson looks on paper, they might even get more.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 30 @ 1:13 PM ET
But we're talking about this year's dive for five. They may be targets for teams this year, despite their contracts not ending now.

I think the Leafs have more guys they can dump, and they might get some decent picks out of it, too. 2nds for Santo and Winnik, and a 1st for Franson all seem like they could happen. Given how Franson looks on paper, they might even get more.

- Feeling Glucky?

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 30 @ 1:19 PM ET

- Cape Breton Bruins

Deadline deals are stupid, and big right handed shots are always in demand.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 30 @ 4:38 PM ET
It's cute watching the Sens try to outsuck the Leafs.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 30 @ 6:19 PM ET
Deadline deals are stupid, and big right handed shots are always in demand.
- Feeling Glucky?

Franson might fetch a late first. I'd be shocked if The other two fetched higher than a 4th or mid tier prospect each.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 30 @ 6:33 PM ET
Franson might fetch a late first. I'd be shocked if The other two fetched higher than a 4th or mid tier prospect each.
- Cape Breton Bruins

depending on if there's a bidding war or not i could see santo fetch a late 2nd max. a 3rd is more likely but you never know. he'd be a decent player for a contender that needed depth.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 30 @ 6:57 PM ET
Franson might fetch a late first. I'd be shocked if The other two fetched higher than a 4th or mid tier prospect each.
- Cape Breton Bruins

You know, I thought Winnik had more points than he does... but both are hard-working blue collar players that teams love in the playoffs, and Santorelli is at half a point per game, and both have pretty good advanced stats.

I think the Leafs already turned down a 4th from Pittsburgh for Winnik, so I expect them to get more than that for him... and I expect them to get more for Santo than Winnik.

Either could get a prospect though, and it's hard to figure where prospects rank in terms of picks.
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