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daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 23 @ 12:14 PM ET
I clearly posted >>>>>"He was ranked 26th by hockeysfuture.com in their Preseason Prospect Rankings for 2014-15. "<<<<<<<


I am not the one ranking him as the best prospect in the world (according to 1 guy)

- Doppleganger

yeah and it goes to show that these guys know jack poop if two 20th+ ranked prospects can go on to have near point a game seasons right after they rank them.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
yeah and it goes to show that these guys know jack poop if two 20th+ ranked prospects can go on to have near point a game seasons right after they rank them.
- daeth

It's easy to just throw a list out there. What's good about Pronman is that he actually tells you about each prospect. For example:


1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.


It's also worth noting that this is a more up-to-date ranking than the clearly identified preseason one.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 23 @ 1:01 PM ET
Kucherov: 22nd best prospect. Tied for 16th in points in the NHL.
Forsberg: 20th best prospect. Tied for 25th in points in the NHL.

I wouldn't go quoting a list that has been proven to be this false this quickly.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:04 PM ET
whats up with that list?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
Kucherov: 22nd best prospect. Tied for 16th in points in the NHL.
Forsberg: 20th best prospect. Tied for 25th in points in the NHL.

I wouldn't go quoting a list that has been proven to be this false this quickly.

- daeth


So we agree?

Those lists are (frank)ing stupid no matter who puts them together?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 23 @ 1:12 PM ET
So we agree?

Those lists are (frank)ing stupid no matter who puts them together?

- Pecafan Fan

100%

even NHL scouts prove year after year that it's not a science. when was the last time the best players in a draft were actually taken in order?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 23 @ 6:02 PM ET
Reading comprehension counts

the list posted was
Top 50 drafted prospects not playing in the NHL right now

- senstroll



Dopes is one of the dumbest morons on earth.

Apple doesnt fall too far from the tree either. His son went to Carleton.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 23 @ 6:04 PM ET
So from your list these are the players with Zero NHL exp

Anthony Mantha
Sam Bennett
Nikolaj Ehlers
Andrey Vasilevskiy
Josh Morrissey
Michael Dal Colle
William Nylander

Its easy to see why Nylander has gone up.. he played in a Mens league and was pretty dominant.. scored at a rate comparable to NHL stars as 18 year olds

he then was one of the most dynamic player at the WJC..being one of the leading scorers.

easy to see imo

- senstroll


Dopes is jealous that the sens top prospect Lazar tops out as a third line plug.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 23 @ 8:20 PM ET
Kessel taken before Karlsson. Interesting.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 23 @ 8:27 PM ET
Kessel taken before Karlsson. Interesting.
- Feeling Glucky?

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 23 @ 8:29 PM ET

- Cape Breton Bruins

WHAT DOES TOEWS KNOW THAT DOPPS DOESNT?
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jan 23 @ 8:58 PM ET
WHAT DOES TOEWS KNOW THAT DOPPS DOESNT?
- Feeling Glucky?


Look, you might not agree with him, but I have Dopps listed at the very top of the poster rankings here. The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Doppleganger No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His prose level is unique, his posts in Leafs vs. Sens and Kessel vs. Ryan this year have been unique, the way he weaves through logic and gains an unrelated conclusion effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect poster -- he has to improve his spelling make his posts longer -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 23 @ 9:37 PM ET
Would you guys trade Kessel for Nylander straight up ?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 23 @ 10:52 PM ET
Would you guys trade Kessel for Nylander straight up ?
- golfingsince

no
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 23 @ 11:40 PM ET
Kessel taken before Karlsson. Interesting.
- Feeling Glucky?



Karlsson is sitting at home in Ottawa.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 24 @ 12:27 AM ET
Karlsson is sitting at home in Ottawa.
- Doppleganger

That's right, not good enough to make the trip. Where was Ryan picked?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 24 @ 3:49 AM ET
That's right, not good enough to make the trip. Where was Ryan picked?
- Feeling Glucky?

Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 24 @ 8:20 AM ET
That's right, not good enough to make the trip. Where was Ryan picked?
- Feeling Glucky?



Who and or what team, was the biggest Joke of the draft?

Who was mocked by his peers as being "coachable"?

Which organization was mocked for having traded away two firsts & a second?





Like I said earlier............it's a soap opera in toronto, and no matter how many plots they re-use, the fans and media just buy into it and are just willing to wait to the finale to see if it turns out the way they hope it will. They just keep bringing in new cast members to replace the ones who move on, and recycle the scripts and "this time" it's going to work.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 24 @ 11:25 AM ET
Who and or what team, was the biggest Joke of the draft?

Who was mocked by his peers as being "coachable"?

Which organization was mocked for having traded away two firsts & a second?





Like I said earlier............it's a soap opera in toronto, and no matter how many plots they re-use, the fans and media just buy into it and are just willing to wait to the finale to see if it turns out the way they hope it will. They just keep bringing in new cast members to replace the ones who move on, and recycle the scripts and "this time" it's going to work.

- Doppleganger


Well making fun of Ottawa for being poor probably wouldn't have played out so well, especially given the dearth of talent in the roster and pool
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 24 @ 3:44 PM ET
Well making fun of Ottawa for being poor probably wouldn't have played out so well, especially given the dearth of talent in the roster and pool
- Feeling Glucky?



And somehow, despite all of this, they're sitting with a better record than you soap opera leafs.


Too bad for you eh?
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 24 @ 8:01 PM ET
And somehow, despite all of this, they're sitting with a better record than you soap opera leafs.


Too bad for you eh?

- Doppleganger

Yeah it must be embarrassing to have a team who spends to the cap and still cannot out preform a team who cannot afford an NHL a calibre roster.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jan 25 @ 8:17 PM ET
Yeah it must be embarrassing to have a team who spends to the cap and still cannot out preform a team who cannot afford an NHL a calibre roster.
- Cape Breton Bruins


We're almost NHL calibre...
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 25 @ 9:44 PM ET
And somehow, despite all of this, they're sitting with a better record than you soap opera leafs.


Too bad for you eh?

- Doppleganger

At least there's hope in Leafland, if nothing else. Ottawa can't even claim that though.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 25 @ 11:31 PM ET
At least there's hope in Leafland, if nothing else. Ottawa can't even claim that though.
- Feeling Glucky?

Hope? You're a long long long way from having anything that constitutes meaningful hope. You can hope your over priced roster of underachieving, overpaid losers can barely outperform a team $15m under the cap.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 25 @ 11:33 PM ET
At least there's hope in Leafland, if nothing else. Ottawa can't even claim that though.
- Feeling Glucky?



What do you mean? The leafs are stuck with their current core players because they all are signed to long term untradable contracts.They will have a tough time retaining all the UFAs and RFAs on their roster for next season as they have essentially zero cap space to re-sign them all. As for signing another saviour UFA like Clarkson, many UFAs are not attracted to the circus like atmosphere that surrounds the leafs.


Ottawa has a wealth of young talent that are getting better game by game, and have tonnes of cap space for next season and will be able to retain anyone they want.










http://www.ottawasun.com/...lt-in-a-complete-overhaul



Think about it: A handful of players on the current roster have now endured four disastrous collapses. It started with the 2012 debacle that led to Ron Wilson’s firing, followed by the Game 7 collapse in Boston the following spring, last year’s painful slide from playoff contention in March and on to the current decline that is reaching historic lows.






Summer will also bring free agency, another massive challenge for Shanahan — as it has been for Nonis and Burke before him.

The crazier the sideshow around the Leafs becomes and the further they move away from contention, the less attractive Toronto becomes as a destination.

The noise surrounding the Leafs makes news around the league, from Salute-gate to Jersey-gate to whatever the later crisis might be. Players notice and many of them want no part of it.


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