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golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 22 @ 1:45 AM ET
Toronto is such a momentum team - they were garbage in that first period, but as soon as they got the first goal they just started swarming. Both teams are capable of playing a lot better than they did tonight, but there were very entertaining portions of the game. This thread will live on...
- Mr_Squeaks



Oh the joy!
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 22 @ 8:02 AM ET
SENS win but they got brutally outshot by the LEAFS

both teams are in a terrible situation but current answer = SENS

- daeth



Not Ottawas' best game, they played the night before on the road while the leafs did not, so should have been an easy win for a desperate team, but the leafs did not show up until midway through the second period when Ottawa was running out of gas.

Stone (17:53), Condra (17:44) & Pageau (16:27) were Ottawas' top three forwards in TOI, because the other forwards were showing signs of fatigue from the previous nights' game...................but it was good enough to beat a team on one of their worst win-less streaks in a few decades.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 8:29 AM ET
Leafs
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 22 @ 8:33 AM ET
Leafs
- the_cause2000



Senators .511 P%
leafs .490 P%

Math much?
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 8:35 AM ET
Senators .511 P%
leafs .490 P%

Math much?

- Doppleganger

whats that?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 22 @ 9:02 AM ET
Senators .511 P%
leafs .490 P%

Math much?

- Doppleganger


Sens are about a 15% chance to make the playoffs

its better to lose now




Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 22 @ 10:24 AM ET
Sens are about a 15% chance to make the playoffs

its better to lose now


- senstroll


It's a deep draft, much deeper than last year, so if a team has done it's scouting well, they'll get a good prospect in the first round.


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 22 @ 10:54 AM ET
It's a deep draft, much deeper than last year, so if a team has done it's scouting well, they'll get a good prospect in the first round.
- Doppleganger

Shocking you think its a deep draft now that the sens have a pick.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 22 @ 10:59 AM ET
Shocking you think its a deep draft now that the sens have a pick.
- Feeling Glucky?



I listen to what guys Like Bob McKenzie say about drafts, he has a few shows during the year to update the state of the upcoming draft. Last year he characterized it as weaker than usual, and this years' as deep.



BTW read this in the toronto Sun today.........
http://www.torontosun.com...nsity-in-loss-to-senators
leafs are down to a measly 3.8 per cent chance of qualifying for the playoffs (according to sportsclubstats.com.)
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 22 @ 11:24 AM ET
I listen to what guys Like Bob McKenzie say about drafts, he has a few shows during the year to update the state of the upcoming draft. Last year he characterized it as weaker than usual, and this years' as deep.



BTW read this in the toronto Sun today.........
http://www.torontosun.com...nsity-in-loss-to-senators
leafs are down to a measly 3.8 per cent chance of qualifying for the playoffs (according to sportsclubstats.com.)

- Doppleganger

Yes, the Leafs do have a better chance at a high pick than the Sens, too add to our already superior prospect pool, including this guy:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 22 @ 11:46 AM ET
Yes, the Leafs do have a better chance at a high pick than the Sens, too add to our already superior prospect pool, including this guy:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

- Feeling Glucky?



Tons of upside. Going to be an adjustment trying to use his skill on the smaller ice and be defensively responsible as a Center but he has the goods.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 22 @ 2:55 PM ET
Tons of upside. Going to be an adjustment trying to use his skill on the smaller ice and be defensively responsible as a Center but he has the goods.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Starting as a winger in the AHL. May stay that way, or may take the Kadri route
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 23 @ 8:55 AM ET
Tons of upside. Going to be an adjustment trying to use his skill on the smaller ice and be defensively responsible as a Center but he has the goods.
- Cape Breton Bruins



As for weaknesses, Nylander's shots can be blocked relatively simply and his pattern of moves does make him susceptible to opponent pokechecks. Generally a lightweight who is neither tall nor well-built in the muscular department, although this doesn’t prevent him from being highly effective and dangerous. Doesn’t always show vigor in backchecking. Desire for puck possession can slow down other teammates or cause them to regularly relocate themselves onsides.

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:15 AM ET
As for weaknesses, Nylander's shots can be blocked relatively simply and his pattern of moves does make him susceptible to opponent pokechecks. Generally a lightweight who is neither tall nor well-built in the muscular department, although this doesn’t prevent him from being highly effective and dangerous. Doesn’t always show vigor in backchecking. Desire for puck possession can slow down other teammates or cause them to regularly relocate themselves onsides.
- Doppleganger


Think about how fantastic his strengths must be, since he's ranked as the best prospect in the world.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 23 @ 9:17 AM ET
Think about how fantastic his strengths must be, since he's ranked as the best prospect in the world.
- Feeling Glucky?


By 1 guy....that works for ESPN...
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:30 AM ET
By 1 guy....that works for ESPN...
- Pecafan Fan

An impartial scout who's been doing this for years, before going over to ESPN.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 23 @ 9:39 AM ET
An impartial scout who's been doing this for years, before going over to ESPN.
- Feeling Glucky?


1 guy







(who obviously didn't watch the medal rounds at the last WJC!)
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:52 AM ET
1 guy







(who obviously didn't watch the medal rounds at the last WJC!)

- Pecafan Fan

I'm sure you watch much more hockey than a professional scout.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 23 @ 9:53 AM ET
I'm sure you watch much more hockey than a professional scout.
- Feeling Glucky?


I never said, or pretended that.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 23 @ 10:34 AM ET
Think about how fantastic his strengths must be, since he's ranked as the best prospect in the world.
- Feeling Glucky?



He was ranked 26th by hockeysfuture.com in their Preseason Prospect Rankings for 2014-15.

So, according to your 1 guy he's passed 25 other top prospects in just under 4 months, some who are currently playing in the NHL.


Is there another definition of "prospect" that we don't know about?

Does that make sense to anyone?


http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect-rankings/






1
Jonathan Drouin

2
Aleksander Barkov

3
Evgeny Kuznetsov

4
Aaron Ekblad

5
Ryan Strome

6
Tomas Hertl

7
Anthony Mantha

8
Sam Reinhart

9
Sam Bennett

10
Teuvo Teravainen

11
Nikolaj Ehlers

12
Darnell Nurse

13
Leon Draisaitl

14
Griffin Reinhart

15
Andrey Vasilevskiy

16
John Gibson

17
Rasmus Ristolainen

18
Josh Morrissey

19
Johnny Gaudreau

20
Filip Forsberg

21
Michael Dal Colle

22
Nikita Kucherov

23
Alexander Wennberg

24
Elias Lindholm

25
Derrick Pouliot

26
William Nylander






he's ranked 15 th on this NHL.com prospect ranking.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=729391





BTW does your 1 Guy include Connor McDavid & Jack Eichel as prospects, when making the claim that Willie is the Best prospect in the World?



Just wondering.










senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 23 @ 12:00 PM ET
He was ranked 26th by hockeysfuture.com in their Preseason Prospect Rankings for 2014-15.

So, according to your 1 guy he's passed 25 other top prospects in just under 4 months, some who are currently playing in the NHL.


Is there another definition of "prospect" that we don't know about?


- Doppleganger



Reading comprehension counts

the list posted was
Top 50 drafted prospects not playing in the NHL right now

Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 23 @ 12:04 PM ET
Reading comprehension counts

the list posted was
Top 50 drafted prospects not playing in the NHL right now

- senstroll



The list is from before the season started, so I know that when I posted it, but I asked if he has now raced to the top that list, or the NHLcom list, as claimed, and is now the number one prospect in the world?

Think about how fantastic his strengths must be, since he's ranked as the best prospect in the world.
- Feeling Glucky?


The poster does not make the qualification you are, so just asked.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
He was ranked 26th by hockeysfuture.com in their Preseason Prospect Rankings for 2014-15.

So, according to your 1 guy he's passed 25 other top prospects in just under 4 months, some who are currently playing in the NHL.


Is there another definition of "prospect" that we don't know about?

Does that make sense to anyone?


http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect-rankings/






1
Jonathan Drouin

2
Aleksander Barkov

3
Evgeny Kuznetsov

4
Aaron Ekblad

5
Ryan Strome

6
Tomas Hertl

7
Anthony Mantha

8
Sam Reinhart

9
Sam Bennett

10
Teuvo Teravainen

11
Nikolaj Ehlers

12
Darnell Nurse

13
Leon Draisaitl

14
Griffin Reinhart

15
Andrey Vasilevskiy

16
John Gibson

17
Rasmus Ristolainen

18
Josh Morrissey

19
Johnny Gaudreau

20
Filip Forsberg

21
Michael Dal Colle

22
Nikita Kucherov

23
Alexander Wennberg

24
Elias Lindholm

25
Derrick Pouliot

26
William Nylander






he's ranked 15 th on this NHL.com prospect ranking.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=729391





BTW does your 1 Guy include Connor McDavid & Jack Eichel as prospects, when making the claim that Willie is the Best prospect in the World?



Just wondering.











- Doppleganger

that list is terrible

a couple of those guys are borderline having point a game seasons in the hnl and they are ranked 20th or worse
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
that list is terrible

a couple of those guys are borderline having point a game seasons in the hnl and they are ranked 20th or worse

- daeth




I clearly posted >>>>>"He was ranked 26th by hockeysfuture.com in their Preseason Prospect Rankings for 2014-15. "<<<<<<<


I am not the one ranking him as the best prospect in the world (according to 1 guy)
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 23 @ 12:12 PM ET
The list is from before the season started, so I know that when I posted it, but I asked if he has now raced to the top that list, or the NHLcom list, as claimed, and is now the number one prospect in the world?



The poster does not make the qualification you are, so just asked.

- Doppleganger



So from your list these are the players with Zero NHL exp

Anthony Mantha
Sam Bennett
Nikolaj Ehlers
Andrey Vasilevskiy
Josh Morrissey
Michael Dal Colle
William Nylander

Its easy to see why Nylander has gone up.. he played in a Mens league and was pretty dominant.. scored at a rate comparable to NHL stars as 18 year olds

he then was one of the most dynamic player at the WJC..being one of the leading scorers.

easy to see imo
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