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senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 30 @ 11:14 AM ET
magnus paarjavi had better stats in the SEL than nylander..........crushes him. so i guess nylander is headed for 4th line/AHL duties.
- sensarmy_11



if thats the case..based on the logic in this tread...its true
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 30 @ 11:19 AM ET
if thats the case..based on the logic in this tread...its true
- senstroll


come on now, we all know that any thread that prominently features prock and dopps has ZERO logic.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 30 @ 11:47 AM ET
magnus paarjavi had better stats in the SEL than nylander..........crushes him. so i guess nylander is headed for 4th line/AHL duties.
- sensarmy_11

He had a near identical PPG pace to little willy during his draft year.
Thehabsfan93
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Sep 30 @ 11:49 AM ET
I would go with Leafs for now but Ottawa have some nice prospects so in 2-3 years I might have a different tune.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 30 @ 11:53 AM ET
He had a near identical PPG pace to little willy during his draft year.
- daeth


excepth that PRV kept it up for 50 games, not only 22. he also managed to play in the elite league as a 16 year old, the entire year as a 17 year old and 18 year old. besides, the original point of the post was that being successful in the SEL as a 17 year old doesn't mean much......PRV is a prime example. he also had the benefit of being physically mature when he arrived in the NHL
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 30 @ 11:54 AM ET
excepth that PRV kept it up for 50 games, not only 22. he also managed to play in the elite league as a 16 year old, the entire year as a 17 year old and 18 year old.
- sensarmy_11

Younger players tend to get better over time as they adjust to a higher level of play, not worse. Not really a good argument.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 30 @ 12:14 PM ET
i would actually say the tier 1 SEL is comparable to the AHL, which means the tier 2 would be the ECHL.

either way, it's difficult to compare leagues. but prock dismissing lazar, while claiming that nylander is the next coming wayne gretzky seems pretty ridiculous.

- sensarmy_11

You said it's the ECHL of Sweden. Don't backtrack.

Nobody's dismissing Lazar, or saying Nylander is the next Gretzky. We're just saying Nylander's a better prospect.

Lazar is slightly ahead of Leivo stats-wise, and you don't see Leafs fans freaking out about him. We're hoping he can fit into a 2nd/3rd line spot. Pretty much what the expectations of Lazar should be.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 30 @ 12:18 PM ET
You said it's the ECHL of Sweden. Don't backtrack.

Nobody's dismissing Lazar, or saying Nylander is the next Gretzky. We're just saying Nylander's a better prospect.

Lazar is slightly ahead of Leivo stats-wise, and you don't see Leafs fans freaking out about him. We're hoping he can fit into a 2nd/3rd line spot. Pretty much what the expectations of Lazar should be.

- Feeling Glucky?



Sounds about right.

But Sens fans are hyping Lazar like he's some sort of Gretzky lite.

Truthfully, Bolland is a pretty comparison. Bolland obviously was much more capable offensively though.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 30 @ 12:20 PM ET
excepth that PRV kept it up for 50 games, not only 22. he also managed to play in the elite league as a 16 year old, the entire year as a 17 year old and 18 year old. besides, the original point of the post was that being successful in the SEL as a 17 year old doesn't mean much......PRV is a prime example. he also had the benefit of being physically mature when he arrived in the NHL
- sensarmy_11

So you found an example of a similar player who became a bust. How many examples of busts are there with similar stat lines to Lazar?

In any case, Edmonton has been pretty awful at developing guys, opting to rush them in well before they're ready. Toronto learned their lesson with Schenn.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006

Sep 30 @ 12:28 PM ET
The guy your team is going to draft in round 1 next year SUCKS! See you in 6 or 7 years when maybe I can be proven right or wrong.

What are we even arguing about anymore, guys?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 30 @ 12:29 PM ET
The guy your team is going to draft in round 1 next year SUCKS! See you in 6 or 7 years when maybe I can be proven right or wrong.

What are we even arguing about anymore, guys?

- Mr_Squeaks

everything.


care to join?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 30 @ 12:29 PM ET
So you found an example of a similar player who became a bust. How many examples of busts are there with similar stat lines to Lazar?

In any case, Edmonton has been pretty awful at developing guys, opting to rush them in well before they're ready. Toronto learned their lesson with Schenn.

- Feeling Glucky?



Slim to none would project to top line players.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 30 @ 12:31 PM ET
you do realize that a majority of hte players in the WHL are 18/19/20 right, not 16/17.

there are probably more NHL drafted players in the WHL then there are in tier 1 SEL.

what's the difference between playing against a 19/20 year old kid who's good enough to get drafted in the NHL vs playing against a 27 year old who was never good enough to even get a sniff. does being 7 years older, but less talented make it a harder league to play in?

- sensarmy_11



If you say so.
haywoodjablome
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.09.2014

Sep 30 @ 12:34 PM ET
This thread is ridiculous:

- Prock and doppleganger might be the two most uneducated homers on the internet.

- neither team is good right now, neither team really improved in the offseason.

- lazar and nylander are both high end prospects, with one having a little more potential offensive upside, while the other seems to possess a much more rounded game. both will be top six players, neither will be an elite "franchise" type player.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 30 @ 12:35 PM ET
you do realize that a majority of hte players in the WHL are 18/19/20 right, not 16/17.

there are probably more NHL drafted players in the WHL then there are in tier 1 SEL.

what's the difference between playing against a 19/20 year old kid who's good enough to get drafted in the NHL vs playing against a 27 year old who was never good enough to even get a sniff. does being 7 years older, but less talented make it a harder league to play in?

- sensarmy_11

the vast majority of the CHL is guys who'll either never play pro hockey, or wind up as lower-league fodder... You really can't think it's a better league than the SEL
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 30 @ 12:36 PM ET
This thread is ridiculous:

- Prock and doppleganger might be the two most uneducated homers on the internet.

- neither team is good right now, neither team really improved in the offseason.

- lazar and nylander are both high end prospects, with one having a little more potential offensive upside, while the other seems to possess a much more rounded game. both will be top six players, neither will be an elite "franchise" type player.

- haywoodjablome

Middle ground is boring.

Pick a side and argue it incessantly, you pansy.
haywoodjablome
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.09.2014

Sep 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
So you found an example of a similar player who became a bust. How many examples of busts are there with similar stat lines to Lazar?

In any case, Edmonton has been pretty awful at developing guys, opting to rush them in well before they're ready. Toronto learned their lesson with Schenn.

- Feeling Glucky?


good post. i think you can find plenty of examples of players who had similar stats to both Nylander and Lazar who turned out to be busts. At the same time, you could find plenty of examples of guys with similar numbers who turned into great players.

I think both guys will be excellent, albeit very different players. I think both will be productive top six players.
haywoodjablome
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.09.2014

Sep 30 @ 12:41 PM ET
Middle ground is boring.

Pick a side and argue it incessantly, you pansy.

- Feeling Glucky?


fine......Nylander will be a complete bust, and kind of looks like Hannah Montana.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 30 @ 12:45 PM ET
fine......Nylander will be a complete bust, and kind of looks like Hannah Montana.
- haywoodjablome

You bastard.


He's a lot prettier than that.
haywoodjablome
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.09.2014

Sep 30 @ 12:52 PM ET
You bastard.


He's a lot prettier than that.

- Feeling Glucky?


He is pretty.......good thing Tlusty isn't on the team anymore.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 30 @ 4:34 PM ET
Neither Lazar nor Nylander will stick with their respective NHL team this season. One or both may get less than 10 games before being sent down.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 30 @ 4:46 PM ET
How are the Binghamton Senators doing????
- prock



They're on their way over to France.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 30 @ 6:42 PM ET
Neither Lazar nor Nylander will stick with their respective NHL team this season. One or both may get less than 10 games before being sent down.
- Doppleganger

While I doubt he plays, I don't think the 9 game rule applies to Nylander.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 30 @ 9:25 PM ET
While I doubt he plays, I don't think the 9 game rule applies to Nylander.
- Feeling Glucky?

It doesn't. He can play anywhere he wants. CHL, SEL, AHL, NHL. Since he's already played with men it wouldn't make sense to join Lazar playing with boys in the CHL. AHL or SEL would make the most sense.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Oct 1 @ 4:35 AM ET
It doesn't. He can play anywhere he wants. CHL, SEL, AHL, NHL. Since he's already played with men it wouldn't make sense to join Lazar playing with boys in the CHL. AHL or SEL would make the most sense.
- prock
He has the looks for it i suppose
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