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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 25 @ 10:23 AM ET
Curtis Lazar was pretty good last night, I thought.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:24 AM ET
Plus he's on a 2way, so it's most likely he'll play at least one more season in the AHL
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:26 AM ET
Curtis Lazar was pretty good last night, I thought.
- Pecafan Fan



Agree, and he's put on a lot of weight since I last saw him during the Memorial Cup, and will most likely stay with the team for the first nine games of the season if he keeps playing like he did last night.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 10:33 AM ET
hows pumpel looking, any chance of him making the lineup?
- nightmare3020


Ottawa has so many great young guys. Puemple would make the team if it were not for Lazar who is looking more and more like a lock to start the season. And, if it were not for Lazar and Puemple we would be looking closer at Buddy Robinson who is a great physical presence on every shift. In addition Hoffman and Pageau have looked really strong since day one of camp. Mark Stone will make the team.

My guess is that Ottawa is going to move some players between now and Christmas to make space for call ups. They have the same kind of crush on the blue line. Ceci has played really well, so has Claesson. But, they already have too many guys on NHL contracts.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:34 AM ET
Curtis Lazar was pretty good last night, I thought.
- Pecafan Fan
Yep kid is a pretty smart player,he is going to make it tough on sens brass to keep a guy like condra over him
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:35 AM ET
Ottawa has so many great young guys. Puemple would make the team if it were not for Lazar who is looking more and more like a lock to start the season. And, if it were not for Lazar and Puemple we would be looking closer at Buddy Robinson who is a great physical presence on every shift. In addition Hoffman and Pageau have looked really strong since day one of camp. Mark Stone will make the team.

My guess is that Ottawa is going to move some players between now and Christmas to make space for call ups. They have the same kind of crush on the blue line. Ceci has played really well, so has Claesson. But, they already have too many guys on NHL contracts.

- spatso
Him with Cowen was something i wanted to see ,that looks like a real good match
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 25 @ 10:38 AM ET
Him with Cowen was something i wanted to see ,that looks like a real good match

- top shelf 15


you know who reaaaaallly sucks?

Colin Greening
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:39 AM ET
you know who reaaaaallly sucks?

Colin Greening

- Pecafan Fan
Him too ,but he has over 2 million reasons why he will probably be still around
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:42 AM ET
Don't tell me that there are not alarm bells going off at MLSE offices this morning. Kadri was on the ice for all three goals scored by the B Senators. They were outshot 70-49 in the two games.

You cannot win in this league unless you can stop the other team from controlling puck possession. Last night the Leafs were as bad as they were at the end of last year.

I would not worry about the game result in Ottawa as the Leafs simply had no answer for Karlsson, Turris, Ryan and MacArthur. But the ACC result is problematic. The score itself is not the problem. The problem is the inability of the Leafs to maintain and drive any semblance of puck possession.

- spatso



sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
Don't tell me that there are not alarm bells going off at MLSE offices this morning. Kadri was on the ice for all three goals scored by the B Senators. They were outshot 70-49 in the two games.

You cannot win in this league unless you can stop the other team from controlling puck possession. Last night the Leafs were as bad as they were at the end of last year.

I would not worry about the game result in Ottawa as the Leafs simply had no answer for Karlsson, Turris, Ryan and MacArthur. But the ACC result is problematic. The score itself is not the problem. The problem is the inability of the Leafs to maintain and drive any semblance of puck possession.

- spatso


alarm bells don't go off becuase of one preseason game...........anderson let in a couple of softies last night, should sens management be panicking. teams are still forming, figuring out who plays together, building chemistry.....if they're still decisively losing the possession game 10 games into the season, then maybe you start to worry.......it's way too early to start right now.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 10:47 AM ET
hows pumpel looking, any chance of him making the lineup?
- nightmare3020


puempel has looked great every game he's played in the rookie tourney and preseason....he has great chemsitry with lazar, and a real nose for the net.

that being said, i think there is almost no chance he makes the team, unless there is a trade/trades made that ship 2-3 of (smith, neil, condra, greening, hoffman) out of ottawa................and that's pretty unlikely.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:49 AM ET
. .....................................

Don't tell me that there are not alarm bells going off at MLSE offices this morning. Kadri was on the ice for all three goals scored by the B Senators. They were outshot 70-49 in the two games.

You cannot win in this league unless you can stop the other team from controlling puck possession. Last night the Leafs were as bad as they were at the end of last year.

I would not worry about the game result in Ottawa as the Leafs simply had no answer for Karlsson, Turris, Ryan and MacArthur. But the ACC result is problematic. The score itself is not the problem. The problem is the inability of the Leafs to maintain and drive any semblance of puck possession.

- spatso




It's pre-season hockey.........meaningless.


Each Ontario team has a whack of players that they're taking a look at, and evaluating.

And all the talk about a veteran player who seems to have put on a little weight over the summer, or which goaltender should be the starter, is just the media creating something to write/talk about.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 10:51 AM ET
you know who reaaaaallly sucks?

Colin Greening and chris neil

- Pecafan Fan


fixed that for you.....you're welcome
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 25 @ 10:52 AM ET
fixed that for you.....you're welcome
- sensarmy_11


age is catching up with Neil for sure.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:57 AM ET
age is catching up with Neil for sure.
- Pecafan Fan



Will likely be available at the trade deadline, as the Senators will most likely not be in a playoff spot at that time.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 10:59 AM ET
alarm bells don't go off becuase of one preseason game...........anderson let in a couple of softies last night, should sens management be panicking. teams are still forming, figuring out who plays together, building chemistry.....if they're still decisively losing the possession game 10 games into the season, then maybe you start to worry.......it's way too early to start right now.
- sensarmy_11


I don't believe MLSE is in panic mode but last night was a really tough outing. We know the Leafs were crucified in terms of puck possession last year. The season end collapse was simply an affirmation of their failing in that regard.

Puck possession is dependent on your center playing a solid defensive game. We know that Carlyle does not have much confidence in Kadri. Last night Kadri was on the ice for all 3 Ottawa goals. But, he also scored a highlight reel goal. So the fans and media are talking about the pretty goal. But, you know Carlyle is saying you cannot win playing this kind of hockey.

So, does MLSE fire Carlyle now? Or, do they wait another month or so and bring in another coach to try and teach Kadri how an NHL center is supposed to play the game?
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:59 AM ET
Will likely be available at the trade deadline, as the Senators will most likely not be in a playoff spot at that time.
- Doppleganger
Thats too long
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 11:01 AM ET
age is catching up with Neil for sure.
- Pecafan Fan


his physical play used to make up for his lack of actual talent...........now he doesn't have the physical game he used to, doens't contribute much of anything offensively, is a pylon in his own zone, and takes a poopload of dumb penalties.

quite frankly, i'll take greeening six days a week and twice on sundays before neil. neil and phillips, imo, are the two most useless on-ice players on this roster.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 25 @ 11:02 AM ET
his physical play used to make up for his lack of actual talent...........now he doesn't have the physical game he used to, doens't contribute much of anything offensively, is a pylon in his own zone, and takes a poopload of dumb penalties.

quite frankly, i'll take greeening six days a week and twice on sundays before neil. neil and phillips, imo, are the two most useless on-ice players on this roster.

- sensarmy_11


Phillips will be the Sens captain this season, imho.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 11:03 AM ET
I don't believe MLSE is in panic mode but last night was a really tough outing. We know the Leafs were crucified in terms of puck possession last year. The season end collapse was simply an affirmation of their failing in that regard.

Puck possession is dependent on your center playing a solid defensive game. We know that Carlyle does not have much confidence in Kadri. Last night Kadri was on the ice for all 3 Ottawa goals. But, he also scored a highlight reel goal. So the fans and media are talking about the pretty goal. But, you know Carlyle is saying you cannot win playing this kind of hockey.

So, does MLSE fire Carlyle now? Or, do they wait another month or so and bring in another coach to try and teach Kadri how an NHL center is supposed to play the game?

- spatso



Outside of the bad giveaway on the last goal kadri was perfectly fine defensively. Made lots of nice defensive reads and plays.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 11:04 AM ET
Phillips will be the Sens captain this season, imho.
- Pecafan Fan


not a chance in hell......it will either be karlsson, or they'll do the same thing the habs did.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Sep 25 @ 11:04 AM ET
his physical play used to make up for his lack of actual talent...........now he doesn't have the physical game he used to, doens't contribute much of anything offensively, is a pylon in his own zone, and takes a poopload of dumb penalties.

quite frankly, i'll take greeening six days a week and twice on sundays before neil. neil and phillips, imo, are the two most useless on-ice players on this roster.

- sensarmy_11
Need to move out 3 forwards and 2 defensemen .That were on the team last season
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 11:07 AM ET
his physical play used to make up for his lack of actual talent...........now he doesn't have the physical game he used to, doens't contribute much of anything offensively, is a pylon in his own zone, and takes a poopload of dumb penalties.

quite frankly, i'll take greeening six days a week and twice on sundays before neil. neil and phillips, imo, are the two most useless on-ice players on this roster.

- sensarmy_11


Really like Buddy Robinson. If Neil can be moved I would be really happy to see this kid get some 4th line minutes. He has the size 6'5" and 235 and is a really good skater with okay hands.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 11:12 AM ET
I did hear something yesterday that was from somebody who is close to the Sens contract and player decisions.

Apparently the Sens are considering a move that would send both Bobby Ryan and Marc Methot to the the LA Kings. Have no idea who would be coming back. Apparently Rob Blake is a huge Methot fan and strongly pushing for the Kings to get Methot.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 11:13 AM ET
Need to move out 3 forwards and 2 defensemen .That were on the team last season

- top shelf 15


in an ideal world (where our owner wasn't a broke bum), i'd waive greening and gryba, send their asses down.

package smith and neil for a prospect/pick/young player (not all 3, but whatever the best package we could is)

i'd trade methot (he's not worth 5 mil a year), the return would probably be pretty decent........either now, or at the deadline, who knows.

i'd put lazar, puempel, claessen on the NHL roster

mac - turris - ryan
michalek - zibby - chiasson
puempel - lazar - stone
hoffman - legwand - condra

pageau/grant/etc

karlsson - claessen
cowen - weircioch
phillips - ceci

boro

anderson
lehner
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