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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 17 @ 11:20 AM ET
Well if they want to risk being in breach of their NHL contract, being suspended or whatever, then that's their choice.

I don't know about you, but most of my employers would have fired me if I went AWOL to attend something of that nature.

- Doppleganger


They could retire.


Like Kovalchuk.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 17 @ 11:24 AM ET
It'd become an issue in the next CBA if they fought over this with the NHLPA. It is possible that the players themselves don't even care though. Maybe they'd be ok with a World Cup type of thing instead. I have no clue.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 17 @ 11:26 AM ET
Well if they want to risk being in breach of their NHL contract, being suspended or whatever, then that's their choice.

I don't know about you, but most of my employers would have fired me if I went AWOL to attend something of that nature.

- Doppleganger

When you're easily replaceable, that's the obvious solution.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 17 @ 11:28 AM ET
When you're easily replaceable, that's the obvious solution.
- Feeling Glucky?

I'm not even taking a jab at anyone here but that's actually true. These days employers have lots of options for replacements.

NHL teams won't find it easy to replace star players though.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 17 @ 11:29 AM ET
I think that the revenues generated with previous World Cups of hockey, benefited the NHLPA members. They get NOTHING from the Olympics.........so I know which I would choose to support.
- Doppleganger

There is more prestige attached to winning an Olympic gold medal though, and with players already making millions they may very well prefer prestige over money.

But of course the majority of players aren't even good enough to be in either tournament so you might be on to something actually.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Sep 17 @ 12:01 PM ET
Well if they want to risk being in breach of their NHL contract, being suspended or whatever, then that's their choice.

I don't know about you, but most of my employers would have fired me if I went AWOL to attend something of that nature.

- Doppleganger

The NHL would never in a trillion years risk that.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 17 @ 1:16 PM ET
The NHL would never in a trillion years risk that.
- Morris



So you'd be okay with the Star player of the team you cheer for and even perhaps support with seasons tickets, flipping off your team, leaving the NHL in the stretch run to go to Olympics for three weeks, and expecting to return back to his NHL team, after missing 10 -13 games???

Don't forget the team may suspend him for violation of his contract.

The Player would not get paid to go to the Olympics and play, and could risk a season/career ending injury.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Sep 17 @ 3:43 PM ET
So you'd be okay with the Star player of the team you cheer for and even perhaps support with seasons tickets, flipping off your team, leaving the NHL in the stretch run to go to Olympics for three weeks, and expecting to return back to his NHL team, after missing 10 -13 games???

Don't forget the team may suspend him for violation of his contract.

The Player would not get paid to go to the Olympics and play, and could risk a season/career ending injury.

- Doppleganger

I thought we were talking about the Euros leaving for good if they don't get to play in the olympics anymore.

Obviously if the NHL is not sending its guys and then players leave the team without warning that's a different story.

What I was saying was that if the NHL risked having European players and others defecting to the KHL because of non-olympic participation, they'd back down from it.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 17 @ 9:09 PM ET
I thought we were talking about the Euros leaving for good if they don't get to play in the olympics anymore.

Obviously if the NHL is not sending its guys and then players leave the team without warning that's a different story.

What I was saying was that if the NHL risked having European players and others defecting to the KHL because of non-olympic participation, they'd back down from it.

- Morris

To think, Dopps is supporting a move that could cost Ottawa their only decent player
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 18 @ 7:40 AM ET
To think, Dopps is supporting a move that could cost Ottawa their only decent player
- Feeling Glucky?


Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 18 @ 7:45 AM ET
I thought we were talking about the Euros leaving for good if they don't get to play in the olympics anymore.

Obviously if the NHL is not sending its guys and then players leave the team without warning that's a different story.

What I was saying was that if the NHL risked having European players and others defecting to the KHL because of non-olympic participation, they'd back down from it.

- Morris



No I think you misunderstood. I doubt very much that any European making a NHL salary, living in North America would allow their contract to lapse, move to someplace in the middle of Siberia to live and play in the KHL, so that they could perhaps play in the next Olympics.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 18 @ 8:57 AM ET
No I think you misunderstood. I doubt very much that any European making a NHL salary, living in North America would allow their contract to lapse, move to someplace in the middle of Siberia to live and play in the KHL, so that they could perhaps play in the next Olympics.
- Doppleganger

Yup, it'd never happen.

Like Kovalchuk would never do it.

Komarov didn't do it either.

IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 18 @ 8:57 AM ET

- sensarmy_11

I guess I think higher of him than you.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 18 @ 9:07 AM ET
I guess I think higher of him than you.
- Feeling Glucky?

Ryan is decent. Their fanbase is so harsh
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 18 @ 9:13 AM ET
Ryan is decent. Their fanbase is so harsh
- the_cause2000

You mean the guy that turned down their overpayment of a first offer?
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Sep 18 @ 9:41 AM ET
http://www.thestar.com/sp...out_strategy_feschuk.html
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 18 @ 10:58 AM ET
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2014/09/17/leafs_kessel_not_hot_on_spotts_breakout_strategy_feschuk.html
- Cape Breton Bruins


We care more about what we see on the ice than some hearsay from that moron Feschuk.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 18 @ 11:32 AM ET
We care more about what we see on the ice than some hearsay from that moron Feschuk.
- RogerRoeper

i care very little about both to be honest
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 18 @ 11:35 AM ET
i care very little about both to be honest
- the_cause2000


So you don't care how Kessel plays?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 18 @ 11:38 AM ET
Kessel doesn't look like a pro athlete whatsoever. It really is a miracle that he's as athletic as he is. Imagine how good he'd be if he worked as hard as Crosby in the off-season.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 18 @ 11:41 AM ET
Kessel doesn't look like a pro athlete whatsoever. It really is a miracle that he's as athletic as he is. Imagine how good he'd be if he worked as hard as Crosby in the off-season.
- daeth


Ever see Gretzky with his shirt off?

daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
Ever see Gretzky with his shirt off?
- RogerRoeper

Gretzky played in an era where outside of a few tough guys almost nobody worked out like crazy. He was also the most skilled player of all time probably.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 18 @ 11:51 AM ET
Gretzky played in an era where outside of a few tough guys almost nobody worked out like crazy. He was also the most skilled player of all time probably.
- daeth


But Kessel IS getting the results. The stats speak for themselves.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
But Kessel IS getting the results. The stats speak for themselves.
- RogerRoeper


Well, when you finish the season with 80pts and still get outscored at even strength (-5), miss the playoffs, and go AWOL when the team goes into a tail spin, I wouldn't say that's getting results.

Putting up good personal stats? Sure. Results? I'm not so sure.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
Yeah, and imagine if he was in incredible shape as well. He'd be ridiculous.
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