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Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 26 @ 7:37 AM ET
Season hasnt even started, and you're conceding that the leafs are better than the sens. Good stuff.
- Feeling Glucky?


Not conceding anything. These are Las Vegas Odds, nothing more.

When the season is ready to start, and the rosters are pretty much set, I will let you know how I see the season unfolding for the two Ontario based teams.


But don't wait for me, go ahead and bet the farm on the leafs collapsing at the end of the season....pretty much like they've been going for the last decade or so.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 26 @ 8:56 AM ET
Not sure with their tiny budget they should be spending so much of it on two goalies. What was the need to give Anderson that extension now?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 26 @ 9:26 AM ET
Not sure with their tiny budget they should be spending so much of it on two goalies. What was the need to give Anderson that extension now?
- RogerRoeper


Well, he and Lehner are the only two goaltenders in the organization with any real NHL experience. Having them booth locked up for the next few seasons allows a lot of flexibility in a number of scenarios.

It allows their prospect goaltenders time (years) to play and develop in the AHL/SEL.

Neither Lehner of Anderson have NTCs in their contracts so if Lehner shows he can be the "number one" in a season or two, Anderson, whose contract is structured to be more trade friendly the longer it runs, can be easily moved at the TDL should a team finds itself in need of a veteran goaltender.


Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 26 @ 10:03 AM ET
His .941 "season" skews the numbers. You can't give those 24 games the same weight as a full season.

And his full season numbers in Ottawa are .911 and .914 with a GAA hovering around 3.

- Pecafan Fan



Ranked 19th in Wins (last Season), 67th in GAA, 50th in Sv% out of 97 goaltenders who played at least one game in the NHL last season.


His career stats, for Ottawa (makes no difference how many games a season is, as no goaltender plays all games in a season) are respectful for the 158 games played in an Ottawa Uniform over Four Seasons.


.920 Sv%, and a 2.62 GAA.............Sv% higher than Price (.917), GAA (2.52) lower than Price's Montreal stats.

No not saying Anderson is the Better goaltender, but he's not in the Bottom third of the league as some have suggested.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006

Aug 26 @ 12:26 PM ET
Melnyk's one regret? That he didn't pinch more pennies.
At least he has time to fix that though.

- Feeling Glucky?


The real reason Canadian pennies are officially out of circulation - Melnyk took 'em.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 26 @ 12:30 PM ET
Ranked 19th in Wins (last Season), 67th in GAA, 50th in Sv% out of 97 goaltenders who played at least one game in the NHL last season.

- Doppleganger


Wins is a team stat. GAA is half a team stat. Sv% and GAA are both bottom half of NHL starters.



No not saying Anderson is the Better goaltender, but he's not in the Bottom third of the league as some have suggested.

- Doppleganger


Eastern conference teams with better goaltending.

Boston, New York, Columbus, Toronto, New Jersey, Montreal, Detroit, Florida, Islanders. Probably Washington.

It only really leaves Buffalo, Carolina, probably Pittsburgh. And depending on which way things go for them, TBay and Philly.

That's bottom third.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 26 @ 1:52 PM ET
Wins is a team stat. GAA is half a team stat. Sv% and GAA are both bottom half of NHL starters.



Eastern conference teams with better goaltending.

Boston, New York, Columbus, Toronto, New Jersey, Montreal, Detroit, Florida, Islanders. Probably Washington.

It only really leaves Buffalo, Carolina, probably Pittsburgh. And depending on which way things go for them, TBay and Philly.

That's bottom third.

- prock



Your opinion........but nevertheless good enough to finish ahead of the leafs last season.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 26 @ 1:57 PM ET
Your opinion........but nevertheless good enough to finish ahead of the leafs last season.
- Doppleganger


You must be so proud. A team who lucked out with the least amount of injuries all year, traded picks and youth for rentals (both at the deadline and last summer), managed a late season surge after they were done for (with deadline help), past a team after they went on a heavy slide after losing key players all year, and managed to finish four points ahead, but still well out of a playoff spot.

Congrats. Would you like a badge, or a chest to pin it on?

Besides, it's not just opinion. I can give you piles of facts to back that up.

Reality check Doppledouche. No one is envious of your backup starting or your underperforming kid.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 26 @ 2:08 PM ET
You must be so proud. A team who lucked out with the least amount of injuries all year, traded picks and youth for rentals (both at the deadline and last summer), managed a late season surge after they were done for (with deadline help), past a team after they went on a heavy slide after losing key players all year, and managed to finish four points ahead, but still well out of a playoff spot.

Congrats. Would you like a badge, or a chest to pin it on?

Besides, it's not just opinion. I can give you piles of facts to back that up.

Reality check Doppledouche. No one is envious of your backup starting or your underperforming kid.

- prock




Wow, must have touched a nerve. Clearly you see the need to bash Ottawa's goal-tending tandem, and as classy as an individual that you are, a personal shot at a family member.

You need to get out of mommy's basement, as I'm sure she fed up with doing your laundry and nuking pizza pops whenever you cry for a snack, and get a real job and life. Find a girl/boy friend and see what else there is out there besides bashing anyone who dares to imply that the Senators are just a better team than the leafs, and have been since they've been in the same division.

Get over it.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 26 @ 2:44 PM ET
Wow, must have touched a nerve. Clearly you see the need to bash Ottawa's goal-tending tandem, and as classy as an individual that you are, a personal shot at a family member.

You need to get out of mommy's basement, as I'm sure she fed up with doing your laundry and nuking pizza pops whenever you cry for a snack, and get a real job and life. Find a girl/boy friend and see what else there is out there besides bashing anyone who dares to imply that the Senators are just a better team than the leafs, and have been since they've been in the same division.

Get over it.

- Doppleganger



underperforming kid = Lehner.



I wasn't talking about your personal life.

Who touched a nerve???????????
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 27 @ 7:12 AM ET
underperforming kid = Lehner.



I wasn't talking about your personal life.

Who touched a nerve???????????

- prock



WOW, are you pants still on fire?

Y No one is envious of your backup starting or your underperforming kid.
- prock



You clearly singled out the Senator's backup and starting goaltenders, and then take a cheap shot at a family member.

Even by your standards that is low, and one wonders why leaf fans have a negative reputation.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 27 @ 9:28 AM ET
WOW, are you pants still on fire?




You clearly singled out the Senator's backup and starting goaltenders, and then take a cheap shot at a family member.

Even by your standards that is low, and one wonders why leaf fans have a negative reputation.

- Doppleganger



So, in a chain of comments on goaltending, I refer to your back up who is starting, and an underperforming kid, and you can't connect that to goaktending?

Hahaha. Its quite clear who got defensive (about something unrelated) and jumped to the wrong conclusions. Clearly something is on your mind regarding your children. Let it out doppledouche. You'll feel better.[/img]
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 27 @ 11:50 AM ET
So, in a chain of comments on goaltending, I refer to your back up who is starting, and an underperforming kid, and you can't connect that to goaktending?

Hahaha. Its quite clear who got defensive (about something unrelated) and jumped to the wrong conclusions. Clearly something is on your mind regarding your children. Let it out doppledouche. You'll feel better.

- prock[/img]



Give your head a shake, Anderson is starting, and has been for three seasons now. Lehner is backing up, and has been for his entire NHL career, and it is not even up for discussion as to who the starter is this season.


Spin all you want, you took a cheap shot at a family member, as you've done time and time before in the past. Too bad trolling is the highlight of your day.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 27 @ 12:11 PM ET
Give your head a shake, Anderson is starting, and has been for three seasons now. Lehner is backing up, and has been for his entire NHL career, and it is not even up for discussion as to who the starter is this season.


Spin all you want, you took a cheap shot at a family member, as you've done time and time before in the past. Too bad trolling is the highlight of your day.

- Doppleganger



Hahahahahahahaa.

Anderson is better suited to being a backup. That's plain as day.

I love it. You're so self-conscious. Is there something going on with your kids that is keeping you on edge? So touchy. I love it. The more you insist I was somehow taking a shot at your offspring, the more you prove my point.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 27 @ 5:27 PM ET
Hahahahahahahaa.

Anderson is better suited to being a backup. That's plain as day.

I love it. You're so self-conscious. Is there something going on with your kids that is keeping you on edge? So touchy. I love it. The more you insist I was somehow taking a shot at your offspring, the more you prove my point.

- prock


Weren't you one of the braniacs that said a year or so ago that Reimer was a proven starter?


BTW I think most people would take the two Ottawa goaltenders of the two leaf goaltenders..............based on past performance.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Aug 27 @ 5:29 PM ET
http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=1726625
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 27 @ 5:31 PM ET
Weren't you one of the braniacs that said a year or so ago that Reimer was a proven starter?


BTW I think most people would take the two Ottawa goaltenders of the two leaf goaltenders..............based on past performance.

- Doppleganger


I think you're wrong. And I don't think its close.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 27 @ 5:31 PM ET
http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=1726625
- daeth



Hahaha. Nice.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 27 @ 5:42 PM ET
I think you're wrong. And I don't think its close.
- prock



Neither leaf goaltender has won a playoff series, until that changes Ottawa has a slight edge.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 27 @ 5:50 PM ET
Neither leaf goaltender has won a playoff series, until that changes Ottawa has a slight edge.
- Doppleganger


It seems the rest of the world disagrees.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 27 @ 7:31 PM ET
It seems the rest of the world disagrees.
- prock



leaf fans, which there are more of on message boards, is NOT the rest of the world.


daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Aug 27 @ 7:34 PM ET
leaf fans, which there are more of on message boards, is NOT the rest of the world.
- Doppleganger

thats not how it works on hfboards
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Aug 27 @ 7:40 PM ET
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Aug 27 @ 8:33 PM ET
leaf fans, which there are more of on message boards, is NOT the rest of the world.
- Doppleganger

You seem butthurt.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Aug 28 @ 10:59 AM ET
Give your head a shake, Anderson is starting, and has been for three seasons now. Lehner is backing up, and has been for his entire NHL career, and it is not even up for discussion as to who the starter is this season.


Spin all you want, you took a cheap shot at a family member, as you've done time and time before in the past. Too bad trolling is the highlight of your day.

- Doppleganger

Typical Dopps argument. Can't defend a hilariously wrong argument? Pretend the other person is saying something else!
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