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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 13 @ 4:45 PM ET
Most of the media are expecting significant changes to the Leaf roster and behind the bench. I do not expect a lot of change. My guess is they will try to package Phaneuf but will not find a dance paertner.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Apr 13 @ 4:54 PM ET
The point on the core being locked up is that almost every dollar rise in cap is spendable. Consider the impact of losing no one and having room to go out and buy another top player. Its helpful. Obviously having cap space AND a top team but how common is that?
- prock

Cap room is only has good as how's it spent, it obviously doesn't guarantee success and reaching into the UFA market year after year can be dangerous to the progression of a franchise.

Granted I didn't expect Clarkson to have such an abysmal season but the man got over $5m a year and never scored 50 points in his life. You start piling on contracts like that and it can be a slippery slope.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 13 @ 5:18 PM ET
Cap room is only has good as how's it spent, it obviously doesn't guarantee success and reaching into the UFA market year after year can be dangerous to the progression of a franchise.

Granted I didn't expect Clarkson to have such an abysmal season but the man got over $5m a year and never scored 50 points in his life. You start piling on contracts like that and it can be a slippery slope.

- Cape Breton Bruins


Every team has a bad contract or, at least one, they wish were different. In the case of the Leafs the Clarkson and Phaneuf deals are very pricey and really cuts down on their options this off season.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 13 @ 5:57 PM ET
Lou came out and said DeBoer will be with the Devils next season.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 6:41 AM ET
The point on the core being locked up is that almost every dollar rise in cap is spendable. Consider the impact of losing no one and having room to go out and buy another top player. Its helpful. Obviously having cap space AND a top team but how common is that?
- prock


yeah, i mean it's not like the top 2 teams in teh west fall into that category...........oh wait.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 14 @ 6:44 AM ET
Lou came out and said DeBoer will be with the Devils next season.
- Morris


too bad.. would have been a good option imo

sounds like he had an option and the team picked it up..which is why deboer was answering the questions the way he did.. wanted to leave he door open in case they didnt
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 7:02 AM ET
too bad.. would have been a good option imo

sounds like he had an option and the team picked it up..which is why deboer was answering the questions the way he did.. wanted to leave he door open in case they didnt

- senstroll


you guys hearing any rumours about who the possible replacement is gonna be..........asssuming carlyle is fired, which most seem to think is a foregone conclusion.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 14 @ 7:34 AM ET
Cap room is only has good as how's it spent, it obviously doesn't guarantee success and reaching into the UFA market year after year can be dangerous to the progression of a franchise.

Granted I didn't expect Clarkson to have such an abysmal season but the man got over $5m a year and never scored 50 points in his life. You start piling on contracts like that and it can be a slippery slope.

- Cape Breton Bruins


Yes, but having the space is never a bad thing. They may not make much use of it, but its still a positive. It will be interesting to see if Clarkson can approach hisvgoal totals of years past. If so, its not bad.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 14 @ 7:35 AM ET
Every team has a bad contract or, at least one, they wish were different. In the case of the Leafs the Clarkson and Phaneuf deals are very pricey and really cuts down on their options this off season.
- spatso


In the Sens case, Methot, Spezza, and Karlsson.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 7:36 AM ET
In the Sens case, Methot, Spezza, and Karlsson.
- prock


jesus you're dumb..........you must fall down a lot when you're walking outside.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Apr 14 @ 7:37 AM ET
you guys hearing any rumours about who the possible replacement is gonna be..........asssuming carlyle is fired, which most seem to think is a foregone conclusion.
- sensarmy_11



All the rumors seemed to center around DeBoer which I said from the start made no sense as he isn't available.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 7:38 AM ET
All the rumors seemed to center around DeBoer which I said from the start made no sense as he isn't available.
- burn


I was kind of worried that the leafs would try to lure Luke Richardson away from binghampton, but from what i've read, he seems to want to stay there (his daughter goes to school there).

he'd be good for your young players
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 14 @ 7:38 AM ET
jesus you're dumb..........you must fall down a lot when you're walking outside.
- sensarmy_11


I'm not sure what you mean.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 7:39 AM ET
I'm not sure what you mean.
- prock


understandable, like i said, you're dumb.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 14 @ 7:46 AM ET
understandable, like i said, you're dumb.
- sensarmy_11



A little uncalled for. He named the overpaid Leafs, I named the overpaid Sens. What's the problem?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 7:50 AM ET
A little uncalled for. He named the overpaid Leafs, I named the overpaid Sens. What's the problem?
- prock


sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 7:51 AM ET
A little uncalled for. He named the overpaid Leafs, I named the overpaid Sens. What's the problem?
- prock


prock crying because something is "uncalled for" is literally the greatest thing i've ever read on HB.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 14 @ 7:54 AM ET

- sensarmy_11



I'm not sure what you're finding so funny.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 7:55 AM ET
I'm not sure what you're finding so funny.
- prock


you're complete inability to judge a player's worth, and to understand what overpaid is.

plus, you're just dumb in general
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 14 @ 7:57 AM ET
you're complete inability to judge a player's worth, and to understand what overpaid is.

plus, you're just dumb in general

- sensarmy_11



Care to expand? A depth defensive dman paid $4M, a centre who's widely called his team's second line centre at $7M cap hit, and a one dimensional offensive dman who is arguably the worst defenseman defensively in the entire league paid over $6M, are all not good value. I think that's pretty clear.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 8:01 AM ET
Care to expand? A depth defensive dman paid $4M, a centre who's widely called his team's second line centre at $7M cap hit, and a one dimensional offensive dman who is arguably the worst defenseman defensively in the entire league paid over $6M, are all not good value. I think that's pretty clear.
- prock


a top 4 d-man at 4 mil is a solid deal

a ppg, top line centre, with a 7 mil cap hit and 4 mil salary is a deal that teams would love

a norris trophy winning, 22 year old d-man, locked in longterm at 6.5 is beyond a good deal........and only retarded haters, such as yourself, would think otherwise.

but continue to hate......i love it. you realize that your team has NOTHING going for it, is bogged down with tons of horrible contracts, and have pulled off EPIC chokes 3 years in a row.

if my team was such a walking calamity, i'd probably be as bitter as you.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 8:05 AM ET


Jesus you're dumb.

- prock


nice comeback......any original thoughts this morning?

prock trash talking 101

top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 14 @ 8:06 AM ET
a top 4 d-man at 4 mil is a solid deal

a ppg, top line centre, with a 7 mil cap hit and 4 mil salary is a deal that teams would love

a norris trophy winning, 22 year old d-man, locked in longterm at 6.5 is beyond a good deal........and only retarded haters, such as yourself, would think otherwise.

but continue to hate......i love it. you realize that your team has NOTHING going for it, is bogged down with tons of horrible contracts, and have pulled off EPIC chokes 3 years in a row.

if my team was such a walking calamity, i'd probably be as bitter as you.

- sensarmy_11
EK if he would have scored one more point ,would have been one of three defensemen to have ever scored 75 points or more before the age of 22
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 14 @ 8:07 AM ET
nice comeback......any original thoughts this morning?

prock trash talking 101


- sensarmy_11[/img]

Nope, these guys being overpaid is nothing new, you're right about that.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 14 @ 8:08 AM ET
EK if he would have scored one more point ,would have been one of three defensemen to have ever scored 75 points or more befor the age of 22

- top shelf 15


he would have been one of only 4 to do it twice by the age of 23

the other 3.....Orr, Coffey, Potvin

but totally overpaid
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