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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 11 @ 3:57 PM ET
I spend 1/2 my time in the States. The number 1 subject for discussion by Americans about Toronto is Rob Ford. My comment is always the same. Rob Ford and Toronto are a perfect match. For the last 10 years Rob Ford and the Leafs are symbolic of a city that celebrates its losers.
- spatso



Maybe that's because they stick out here. In Ottawa, being a loser means you're just blending in with the crowd.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 11 @ 3:57 PM ET
Sorry but your pretty far off in your understanding of the Canaduan tax situation.

http://www.theglobeandmai...not-belgian/article179294

- spatso



broken link.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 11 @ 4:13 PM ET
So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 11 @ 4:15 PM ET
So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.

- Doppleganger

Not a poor choice. Leafs fans are craving a bit of defensive hockey I think.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 11 @ 4:20 PM ET
Not a poor choice. Leafs fans are craving a bit of defensive hockey I think.
- Morris



He is going to have his work cut out for him, with all the players with long term, un-tradeable contracts, who have not shown any inclination to play defensively to date.



Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 11 @ 4:26 PM ET
He is going to have his work cut out for him, with all the players with long term, un-tradeable contracts, who have not shown any inclination to play defensively to date.
- Doppleganger

that's a stretch.
Off the top of my head,

Kulemin, Clarkson, Bozak, Gunnarsson are all pretty solid defensive players.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 11 @ 4:41 PM ET
So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.

- Doppleganger

That'd be pretty sweet.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 11 @ 4:43 PM ET
that's a stretch.
Off the top of my head,

Kulemin, Clarkson, Bozak, Gunnarsson are all pretty solid defensive players.

- Morris

JVR sees PK time as well... Phaneuf has learned to be a stronger defensive guy, though he was leaned on far too much this season, Gleason is defense-first. McClement is pretty good at it to. Bolland too, if he's back.

While the players aren't the perfect group, the big problem was the disconnect between what the coach was supposed to bring, and what the team did.

Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 11 @ 4:57 PM ET
JVR sees PK time as well... Phaneuf has learned to be a stronger defensive guy, though he was leaned on far too much this season, Gleason is defense-first. McClement is pretty good at it to. Bolland too, if he's back.

While the players aren't the perfect group, the big problem was the disconnect between what the coach was supposed to bring, and what the team did.

- Feeling Glucky?

yeah, I forgot you guys had gleason.

Kulemin, Mcclement, bolland are worthwhile re-ups for you guys I think.
jordan456789
Joined: 10.27.2007

Apr 11 @ 5:19 PM ET
Maybe that's because they stick out here. In Ottawa, being a loser means you're just blending in with the crowd.
- prock

A leafs fan saying that is kind of funny. Who is a bigger loser than the leafs over the last 5-10 years
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 11 @ 6:51 PM ET
A leafs fan saying that is kind of funny. Who is a bigger loser than the leafs over the last 5-10 years
- jordan456789


I'm taking about the city in general.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 11 @ 9:07 PM ET
yeah, I forgot you guys had gleason.

Kulemin, Mcclement, bolland are worthwhile re-ups for you guys I think.

- Morris

nah, can't get all 3 re-signed and have room for defensive help, I don't think.

Kulemin moved to center late this season, and has done pretty well... I think he and McClement will be back, Bolland will be gone. Waste of a few picks when all's said and done, especially since he barely played, but he wants too much for too long for his role.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 11 @ 10:15 PM ET
nah, can't get all 3 re-signed and have room for defensive help, I don't think.

Kulemin moved to center late this season, and has done pretty well... I think he and McClement will be back, Bolland will be gone. Waste of a few picks when all's said and done, especially since he barely played, but he wants too much for too long for his role.

- Feeling Glucky?


Yeah didn't work out well. Not a big loss though.

Its actually a pretty good situation. The number one need is a solid defensive dman. They have too many offensive guys. A guy like Gardiner or franson can be traded, opening up the cap space for one, or for one directly. And they have so manyvguys that can play that role, trading Gardiner or franson won't hurt them in the slightest bit.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 11 @ 10:57 PM ET
Ottawa/Gatineau has been the fourth largest city in terms of population, for quite a while now.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/ca...national-growth-1.1223043

- Doppleganger


Awesome, now do Vancouver-Lower Mainland. I'll save you some trouble, it was about 1.8 million in the 90's now about 2.8 million. Again, apples and oranges.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 11 @ 10:59 PM ET
the railways? Whoa! That's big business!
- prock


Just how stupid are you?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 11 @ 11:15 PM ET
Just how stupid are you?
- golfingsince


Hahaha. You gonna actually try to tell me you think rail shipping is big business? Its a joke. Nothing.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 11 @ 11:22 PM ET
Hahaha. You gonna actually try to tell me you think rail shipping is big business? Its a joke. Nothing.
- prock


Instead of looking at the value of the companies themselves, try figuring out the value of the freight they carry. You're a clown.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 12 @ 6:00 AM ET
So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.

- Doppleganger


Yup. Deboer seems to be Shanahan's choice. His team's possession stats have been great.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 12 @ 8:44 AM ET
Yup. Deboer seems to be Shanahan's choice. His team's possession stats have been great.
- RogerRoeper


Deboer is more Ron Wilson than Carlyle. Followed him pretty close when he was with the Panthers. He can help a poor team be competitive and stay in the mix for a playoff spot. But, no evidence he can win big at the NHL level. Great junior coach.

I think Carlyle is an outstanding coach. I think front office decisions (buyouts, signings) hurt them more than coaching. Afraid the focus on Carlyle is merely a diversion from larger problems.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 12 @ 10:15 AM ET
Instead of looking at the value of the companies themselves, try figuring out the value of the freight they carry. You're a clown.
- golfingsince


Why? I'm sure the bathroom attendants at nice restaurants give very wealthy people mints. But they're still bathroom attendants.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 12 @ 10:39 AM ET


Also worth noting that 4 teams need to pass the Leafs in points for them to be knocked out of a playoff spot, whereas the Leafs only need to pass 2 teams to have home-ice advantage.

They're 4 points above the caps(one of the 4 teams that would need to pass them), and only 3 points behind the Lightening.

They're closer to home-ice than they are to missing the playoffs, whereas Ottawa is closer to giving Anaheim a top-5 pick, than they are to making the playoffs.

.

- Feeling Glucky?



Ends up nine teams have passed them, in less than a month, and Ottawa's pick is nowhere near being a top -5 pick, and are looking like they'll finish ahead of the leafs in the final standing of the season (closer to the playoffs than the leafs, but still golfing next week )
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 12 @ 10:41 AM ET
to answer the question, with a budget and a first round pick, still the Leafs.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 12 @ 10:44 AM ET
to answer the question, with a budget and a first round pick, still the Leafs.
- prock



Senators ahead of leafs in standings, with a budget too, and Bobby Ryan for the pick.

So it's the Senators, again.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 12 @ 10:49 AM ET
Senators ahead of leafs in standings, with a budget too, and Bobby Ryan for the pick.

So it's the Senators, again.

- Doppleganger



Do you think the Sens owner will spend anywhere near the cap? What happens when Bobby Ryan jumps ship next year?
jordan456789
Joined: 10.27.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:31 PM ET
Do you think the Sens owner will spend anywhere near the cap? What happens when Bobby Ryan jumps ship next year?
- prock

Well if he leaves they will trade him and get value for him. Unlike the leafs and bolland
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