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GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:15 AM ET
Sens reached on both their picks. Leafs got a guy who was ranked higher before the draft. I can live with that.



Detroit wrecked Ottawa.

- Feeling Glucky?


I really liked both the Red Wings and the Rangers 1st round.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 23 @ 12:30 AM ET
I really liked both the Red Wings and the Rangers 1st round.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Yea, I had Veleno and Lundkvist ahead of Sandin based mainly on position.


But Sandin looks to be in some pretty great offensive company, despite not getting that much offensive usage.
Bobs Your Uncle
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Leafs passed over Mike in Barfallo Augello to hire Kyle 'Homo Analytics Tool' Dumbass as new GM, ON
Joined: 11.12.2006

Jun 23 @ 1:32 AM ET
MATS SANDIN ERA RETURNS IN TORONTO!
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:51 AM ET
I would have to say Leafs tbh
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i should go watch some movie about sodomy in Serbian that's all sepia tone instead I guess
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 23 @ 11:55 AM ET
I would have to say Leafs tbh
- the_cause2000

and the rest of the world concurs.

as long as they aren't senile and gripping an internet argument they lost in 2017 with their piss covered hands for all they're worth.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I guess you can't touch or make comments to millennials... - SensFan25
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 24 @ 11:17 AM ET
Wait til they see the return for Karlsson, if any

It ain't going to be

Barrie
Makar
Sens 2019 1st
Avs 2019 1st

like some Sens fan suggested.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 24 @ 11:23 AM ET
Wait til they see the return for Karlsson, if any

It ain't going to be

Barrie
Makar
Sens 2019 1st
Avs 2019 1st

like some Sens fan suggested.

- Aetherial


Even if Karlsson had term left on his contract I wouldn't offer than much for him.

Also, Colorado would be stupid to trade back the Ottawa pick. It's a guaranteed lottery pick for a guy that could be a "generational" (I really hate how often that word is thrown around nowadays) centre.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: Trade-Berta, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jun 24 @ 11:28 AM ET
Wait til they see the return for Karlsson, if any

It ain't going to be

Barrie
Makar
Sens 2019 1st
Avs 2019 1st

like some Sens fan suggested.

- Aetherial

Make no mistake a team will pay a high price for Karlsson. Especially when you have someone like say, Chairelli running the Oilers. The Sens would be insane not to shop him to the highest bidder immediately and resign themselves to the fact it's their only way to potentially avoid a 5-7 year ground up re-build.

Getting a young roster player, a nice prospect, a 1st(to replace the outgoing one this season) and a 2nd would shorten that timeline by a year or two.

I hope they keep him and he walks for nothing next year.
daeth
Detroit Red Wings
Location: toronto won the cup, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 24 @ 11:53 AM ET
Make no mistake a team will pay a high price for Karlsson. Especially when you have someone like say, Chairelli running the Oilers. The Sens would be insane not to shop him to the highest bidder immediately and resign themselves to the fact it's their only way to potentially avoid a 5-7 year ground up re-build.

Getting a young roster player, a nice prospect, a 1st(to replace the outgoing one this season) and a 2nd would shorten that timeline by a year or two.

I hope they keep him and he walks for nothing next year.

- Cape Breton Bruins

people say they can't rebuild because they can't afford to lose ticket sales when they suck but they'll suck anyway and for longer if they don't rebuild soon while they still have valuable assets.

or they'll make the finals next year 'cause i don't understand the nhl.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: Trade-Berta, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jun 24 @ 12:05 PM ET
people say they can't rebuild because they can't afford to lose ticket sales when they suck but they'll suck anyway and for longer if they don't rebuild soon while they still have valuable assets.

or they'll make the finals next year 'cause i don't understand the nhl.

- daeth

Exactly. The Yotes survive somehow the Sens could too.

Ultimately a change in ownership would be the most ideal situation as Nickel-and-Dime will never deliver the type of investment a Canadian franchise would require to compete in the same markets as the Habs and Leafs.

Hell home games against these rivals are usually half full with fans from these respective fan bases.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: Trade-Berta, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jun 24 @ 12:07 PM ET
It's the Leafs by a lot.

Ownership
Management
Coaching staff
Roster
Prospect pools
Market share
General outlook

I'd put all 6 of these major categories in the Leafs column today, personally. Lets see if the Sens can turn the tide with scouting and player development.

It's going to take everyone, coming together cleaning offices to get it done however.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:15 PM ET
Make no mistake a team will pay a high price for Karlsson. Especially when you have someone like say, Chairelli running the Oilers. The Sens would be insane not to shop him to the highest bidder immediately and resign themselves to the fact it's their only way to potentially avoid a 5-7 year ground up re-build.

Getting a young roster player, a nice prospect, a 1st(to replace the outgoing one this season) and a 2nd would shorten that timeline by a year or two.

I hope they keep him and he walks for nothing next year.

- Cape Breton Bruins

I don't think Dorion has the acumen to achieve this and even if he did, passing on the most talented players available when you need to add skill at every position isn't a good recipe for a rebuild.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: Trade-Berta, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jun 24 @ 2:44 PM ET
I don't think Dorion has the acumen to achieve this and even if he did, passing on the most talented players available when you need to add skill at every position isn't a good recipe for a rebuild.
- BlueBallz

You'd be correct to have reservations considering the track record Dorion has. One must also consider the fact he is partly a puppet and the Owner is the dictator.

Under normal circumstances the return I posted isn't unrealistic but alas...
Jay Gulley
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 01.08.2008

Jun 24 @ 4:12 PM ET
I made this thread!!!
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i should go watch some movie about sodomy in Serbian that's all sepia tone instead I guess
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 24 @ 4:31 PM ET
I made this thread!!!
- Jay Gulley

jay gulley, hello.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jun 24 @ 5:42 PM ET
I made this thread!!!
- Jay Gulley

See you in The Hague, Jay.
daeth
Detroit Red Wings
Location: toronto won the cup, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 24 @ 5:46 PM ET
See you in The Hague, Jay.
- BlueBallz

lol
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 25 @ 2:59 AM ET
The Leafs’ second round pick(who is an overager) has had a better season than Chabot’s D+1 season.


Interesting.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jun 25 @ 6:35 AM ET
The Leafs’ second round pick(who is an overager) has had a better season than Chabot’s D+1 season.


Interesting.

- Feeling Glucky?

Sounds like a good situation.

For the Leafs.

3 am post, Glucky. Baby keeping you up?
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 25 @ 9:07 AM ET
some info for the Sens Fans from tweeter

some take aways.

McDavid lol so good..not even close
Marner Shows up really well and its easy to see why he is in the NHL doing what he is doing
Svechnikov is a pretty good #2 option if you lose out on Dahlin

2018 doesnt seem to be as top heavy from the CHL side as previous years
Bouchard and Merkley look like very good D options. Bouchard will go in the 5-10 range it looks like










- senstroll



posted this in April, the Leafs ended up taking 3 D from the list.
Sandin, Durzi and Kral


senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
Further to that, the projected NHL success rate based in comparable players.

Leaf must be using some similar type of formulas to rank prospects

Durzi and Sandin both 50%, Kral 21%
Maybe a but more understanding of why the Leafs passed on Velano (26%) to take Sandin.

top 25 first time eligible chl fwds and dmen in my adjusted points rankings, along with their projected nhl success rates and the roles that their successful cohorts took in the nhl. #2018NHLDraft

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:42 AM ET
Sounds like a good situation.

For the Leafs.

3 am post, Glucky. Baby keeping you up?

- BlueBallz

Nope, just shutting my guys out all night
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:51 AM ET
posted this in April, the Leafs ended up taking 3 D from the list.
Sandin, Durzi and Kral

- senstroll

What are your thoughts on using a top-5 pick on a player that could have fallen outside the top-10, when a top-3 player was still available, because, “intangibles”?
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:58 AM ET
What are your thoughts on using a top-5 pick on a player that could have fallen outside the top-10, when a top-3 player was still available, because, “intangibles”?
- Feeling Glucky?


If everything is equal..sure pick the player you think has more of those things.

but I would be very worried about my team valuing those things to the level it sounds like Ottawa does with kuchuk..based on the interviews i heard.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I guess you can't touch or make comments to millennials... - SensFan25
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 25 @ 1:03 PM ET
If everything is equal..sure pick the player you think has more of those things.

but I would be very worried about my team valuing those things to the level it sounds like Ottawa does with kuchuk..based on the interviews i heard.

- senstroll


Yeah, He could be a heart and soul kind of guy, or he could end up being a good checking forward with offensive output that doesn't justify that draft position.

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