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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:06 AM ET
yet the same media you quote as saying subban will get a massive deal, say that bolland will get paid too.

so which is it?

- sensarmy_11


What media says Bolland is in for a big payday? The most recent talk is the Leafs are only interest at a reasonable price.

Bolland is a broken-down UFA. You can't even compare him to a PK Subban. Bolland will not get 6-8 years from anyone,. Guaranteed.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:06 AM ET
subban is gonna get pretty much the same deal that karlsson and pietrangelo got....especially when you consider that he hasn't been as good this year as he was last year.

he'll get 7-8 years, and between 6.5-7.

your claims of 8-9 mil are just stupid.

- sensarmy_11


Ok I'm going to bump this when he signs. He will not get 6.5 million.

And BTW, you keep claiming I'm saying "The Media". This is 100% my opinion that Subban will get around 8 million+ per.
When did I say the media in regards to PK Subban? It's common sense the guy is going to get a massive contract.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 11:07 AM ET
Funny you mention that... because if you remove the last 4 years that he likely won't play anyways, that are only there to cut down his cap hit... his cap hit would be just over 10 million. In fact, if you take it one step further, and look at only the first 8 years, the maximum allowable under the current CBA, he'd be at 11.5M/ year.

Look at the other big name d-man that re-signed this year... Dan Girardi... 5.5M

I'd pay 1.5M to upgrade from Dan Girardi to Phaneuf, any day.

- Feeling Glucky?


agree to disagree then, cuz i dont' think phaneuf is an upgrade over girardi. i'd put them in about the same category.

phaneuf a little better offensively, girardi considerably better in his own end.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 11:08 AM ET
What media says Bolland is in for a big payday? The most recent talk is the Leafs are only interest at a reasonable price. Bolland is a broken-down UFA. You can't even compare him to a PK Subban. Bolland will not get 6-8 years from anyone,. Guaranteed.
- RogerRoeper


yes, and we all know that the leafs only ever pay a reasonable price for players.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:08 AM ET
Wouldn't be surprised to see Bolland get around 5 million. Someone will pay it. Will it be the leafs? and will it be for 6-8 years? I don't know.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
Wouldn't be surprised to see Bolland get around 5 million. Someone will pay it. Will it be the leafs? and will it be for 6-8 years? I don't know.
- Morris


No chance for 6-8 years. People can bring up Clarkson all they want, but Clarkson was 100% healthy.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
There may be differences in the players unique contract situations and particulars. Personally I think it may be more likely Ryan is moved in the next two years than Kadri.

However in terms of faulting teams for things that haven't happened, they're qualitatively the same thing.

- Morris


Sure. Then I'll rephrase. The overwhelming odds are that Bobby Ryan will likely be gone in a year. That is fully up to Bobby Ryan. Kadri and Gardiner are Leaf property unless otherwise decided by the Leafs. End of story.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:10 AM ET
agree to disagree then, cuz i dont' think phaneuf is an upgrade over girardi. i'd put them in about the same category.

phaneuf a little better offensively, girardi considerably better in his own end.

- sensarmy_11


Phaneuf was great defensively all year and played much tougher minutes than anyone in the entire NHL.

sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 11:10 AM ET
Ok I'm going to bump this when he signs. He will not get 6.5 million.

And BTW, you keep claiming I'm saying "The Media". This is 100% my opinion that Subban will get around 8 million+ per.
When did I say the media in regards to PK Subban? It's common sense the guy is going to get a massive contract.

- RogerRoeper


what has subban done to warrant more money than karlsson or pietrangelo?
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
what has subban done to warrant more money than karlsson or pietrangelo?
- sensarmy_11


The cap is going way up. That's why.

You don't seem to get that. When Doughty signed his deal, 6.5 million per was seen as outrageous. Salaries keep going up.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
Phaneuf was great defensively all year and played much tougher minutes than anyone in the entire NHL.
- RogerRoeper


really, you keep claiming he played harder mintues then ANYONE in the league. please provide evidence for this.

every time you see an analyst break down phaneufs game, they're always showing his defensive mistakes.....he sure does seem to make a lot of them.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 11:14 AM ET
The cap is going way up. That's why.

You don't seem to get that. When Doughty signed his deal, 6.5 million per was seen as outrageous. Salaries keep going up.

- RogerRoeper


the cap isn't going up anywhere CLOSE to enough to make subban earn 2-3 mil more than guys like karlsson, pietrangelo, and doughty.

but by all means, repost this when he signs his deal. it will be fun to throw it in your face.

the guy gets benched fairly regularly (given his status on the team), and is rarely supported publicly by his coach or gm alike. they've already shown they're more than willing to play hardball with him................so why on earth would they cave, and make him the highest paid d-man in teh league, as an RFA.

your logic is incredible.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 13-2-1, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Apr 8 @ 11:14 AM ET
The cap is going way up. That's why.

You don't seem to get that. When Doughty signed his deal, 6.5 million per was seen as outrageous. Salaries keep going up.

- RogerRoeper

Not as much as predicted with Canadain dollar sinking. PK may get 7 at most.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
really, you keep claiming he played harder mintues then ANYONE in the league. please provide evidence for this.

every time you see an analyst break down phaneufs game, they're always showing his defensive mistakes.....he sure does seem to make a lot of them.

- sensarmy_11




Player

Pos.

Team(s)

GP

TotTm% QoC

TotTm% D QoC

TotTm% F QoC

TotTm% QoC H

TotTm% D QoC H

TotTm% F QoC H

TotTm% QoC A

TotTm% D QoC A

TotTm% F QoC A


1 Dion Phaneuf D Maple Leafs 77 30.1% 33.9% 27.6% 30.2% 34.0% 27.7% 30.0% 33.8% 27.5%
2 Carl Gunnarsson D Maple Leafs 78 30.0% 33.8% 27.4% 30.1% 34.0% 27.5% 29.9% 33.7% 27.4%
3 Zdeno Chara D Bruins 75 29.9% 33.7% 27.4% 30.2% 33.9% 27.8% 29.6% 33.5% 27.1%
4 Oliver Ekman-Larsson D Coyotes 76 29.9% 33.7% 27.3% 30.0% 33.4% 27.7% 29.7% 34.0% 26.8%
5 Niklas Hjalmarsson D Blackhawks 79 29.8% 33.5% 27.3% 30.1% 33.5% 27.7% 29.6% 33.6% 26.9%
6 Johnny Oduya D Blackhawks 74 29.8% 33.4% 27.3% 30.0% 33.4% 27.8% 29.5% 33.4% 26.9%
7 Mark Giordano D Flames 61 29.7% 33.5% 27.1% 29.8% 33.7% 27.2% 29.6% 33.3% 27.1%
8 Shea Weber D Predators 75 29.7% 33.6% 27.0% 29.8% 33.5% 27.3% 29.5% 33.7% 26.7%
9 Niklas Kronwall D Red Wings 76 29.6% 33.5% 27.1% 29.8% 33.5% 27.3% 29.4% 33.4% 26.8%
10 Ryan McDonagh D Rangers 77 29.6% 33.4% 27.1% 29.9% 33.6% 27.5% 29.3% 33.2% 26.7%
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
Not as much as predicted with Canadain dollar sinking. PK may get 7 at most.
- BingoLady


The cap is going up as much as reported originally. It'll be 7 million more next season.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
No chance for 6-8 years. People can bring up Clarkson all they want, but Clarkson was 100% healthy.
- RogerRoeper

Yeah I don't see 6-8 with the leafs, but it wouldn't surprise me to see NYI make a splash on a really long term contract.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
really, you keep claiming he played harder mintues then ANYONE in the league. please provide evidence for this.

every time you see an analyst break down phaneufs game, they're always showing his defensive mistakes.....he sure does seem to make a lot of them.

- sensarmy_11

http://www.behindthenet.c...9+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:18 AM ET
the cap isn't going up anywhere CLOSE to enough to make subban earn 2-3 mil more than guys like karlsson, pietrangelo, and doughty.

but by all means, repost this when he signs his deal. it will be fun to throw it in your face.

the guy gets benched fairly regularly (given his status on the team), and is rarely supported publicly by his coach or gm alike. they've already shown they're more than willing to play hardball with him................so why on earth would they cave, and make him the highest paid d-man in teh league, as an RFA.

your logic is incredible.

- sensarmy_11



They played hardball with him because he was RFA. they can't do that next time or he walks.

And the "Hardball" routine blew-up in their face

They could have signed him for the 6.5 million per you claim he'll get. No chance that occurs now.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=13&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f7=20-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67
- prock


But, but, but Dan Girardi!
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:20 AM ET
But, but, but Dan Girardi!
- RogerRoeper


Still had what, 30 goals less against while on the ice compared to Karlsson.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:21 AM ET
Phaneuf was great defensively all year and played much tougher minutes than anyone in the entire NHL.
- RogerRoeper

Girardi's one of the most solid defensive dmen in the league. An absolute workhorse.

But he's also been ridden too hard imo. Can't average 24 minutes and play 30 minutes a night 10 times a year and block hundreds of shots and not have it take a toll. He may find his way into Volchenkov territory soon. Not that the Rangers care with the D core they've got together.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:21 AM ET
Yeah I don't see 6-8 with the leafs, but it wouldn't surprise me to see NYI make a splash on a really long term contract.
- Morris


If he did not get inured, sure. I can't see it now to be honest. I think the Clowe/Clarkson/Horton deals won't be repeated from last season.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:22 AM ET
Still had what, 30 goals less against while on the ice compared to Karlsson.
- prock


All of Dion's stats are very good. and that's with his poor play the past two weeks. His +/- was terrific.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Apr 8 @ 11:22 AM ET
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=13&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f7=20-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67
- prock

Yeah Phaneuf got a really unfair assignment this year. People never seem to pay attention to these things, and then dismiss them as "fancy stats" when you bring them up as a reason that a player is battling all season to stay above the water.

When really, short of being fancy stats, watching the game and seeing who's on the ice in what situation is the simplest frigging thing in the world.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 13-2-1, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Apr 8 @ 11:24 AM ET
The cap is going up as much as reported originally. It'll be 7 million more next season.
- RogerRoeper

link or u making it up? Pk being benched every 2nd game doesn't help his cause.
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