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daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 26 @ 9:28 PM ET
Flyers suck


#Tumbleweed>daeth

- Tumbleweed

one of those is correct
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: desert ridge
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 26 @ 9:36 PM ET
one of those is correct
- daeth


Daeth sucks?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: desert ridge
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 26 @ 10:04 PM ET
Argos>red blacks>sens>flyers
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:43 AM ET
Argos>red blacks>sens>flyers
- Tumbleweed



he seems rattled. #leaf obsession. #standings
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: desert ridge
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 27 @ 9:50 AM ET
he seems rattled. #leaf obsession. #standings
- systemtool


i know that the devils picked #1, but why is no one talking about the flyers not taking Nico? i know it was the right pick for the flyers for what they need, but Nico is the better player and nolan looks like jvr-lite.
drew_doubty
Los Angeles Kings
Location: ...his continuous improvement throughout the year showed that the Kings had selected wisely.
Joined: 06.25.2016

Nov 27 @ 9:52 AM ET
Flyers fans depressed that there go no where team < sens


#sanheim&haggarebusts

- Tumbleweed

That clown sure mentions people being obsessed with dopps an awful lot.

Kind of makes you wonder who is really obsessed.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:55 AM ET
i know that the devils picked #1, but why is no one talking about the flyers not taking Nico? i know it was the right pick for the flyers for what they need, but Nico is the better player and nolan looks like jvr-lite.
- Tumbleweed

because nobody cares about the flyers and their love for gingers with no souls. the flyers are 3 forwards away from icing the equivalent of AA midget Milton Winterhawks.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 27 @ 9:58 AM ET
That clown sure mentions people being obsessed with dopps an awful lot.

Kind of makes you wonder who is really obsessed.

- drew_doubty


we refer to him as D'oops around here. Probably the same guy switching alts to defend his own honour.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 27 @ 10:44 AM ET
since plus minus get brought up a lot
Here is one good explanation as to why its not a great stat and misleading


Woodguy‏ @Woodguy55
Further to the "5v5" +/- vs +/-, don't get hung up on shorties. Its the empty net goals that make it such a bad metric. The worst 6v5 +/- reads like an Allstar team since the best players are on the ice in the offensive situation. From Oct 2015 until today "bottom 20" in 6v5 +/-

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Nov 27 @ 10:45 AM ET
Not much relief there... they're in the 20s standings-wise, and .500.

So more or less a reflection of their parent club.


Shocking that a team with godawful prospects wouldn't have a good AHL team, I know.

- Feeling Glucky?


Excuse you? Francis Perron plays for Belleville. I remember hearing that he was gonna show everyone that he was better than Marner at the Memorial Cup a few years back. Surely he hasn't dropped off that much. Right?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: desert ridge
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 27 @ 3:04 PM ET
since plus minus get brought up a lot
Here is one good explanation as to why its not a great stat and misleading


Woodguy‏ @Woodguy55
Further to the "5v5" +/- vs +/-, don't get hung up on shorties. Its the empty net goals that make it such a bad metric. The worst 6v5 +/- reads like an Allstar team since the best players are on the ice in the offensive situation. From Oct 2015 until today "bottom 20" in 6v5 +/-


- senstroll


-10bot
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 27 @ 3:19 PM ET
-10bot
- Tumbleweed


thats a Hall of a lot of minuses
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: desert ridge
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 27 @ 3:24 PM ET
thats a Hall of a lot of minuses
- senstroll


all those minuses act as spazzy repellent
drew_doubty
Los Angeles Kings
Location: ...his continuous improvement throughout the year showed that the Kings had selected wisely.
Joined: 06.25.2016

Nov 27 @ 3:47 PM ET
we refer to him as D'oops around here. Probably the same guy switching alts to defend his own honour.
- systemtool

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if they turned out to be the same guy, yeah.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 27 @ 3:47 PM ET
thats a Hall of a lot of minuses
- senstroll

makes you wonder if pulling a goalie is worth it
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Nov 27 @ 3:53 PM ET
makes you wonder if pulling a goalie is worth it
- daeth


It is. Each plus is way more valuable than a minus though. You're not usually losing much by giving up an empty netter but unless you're down by two, each one of those pluses is worth a point in the standings.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 27 @ 3:57 PM ET
makes you wonder if pulling a goalie is worth it
- daeth


the stats favor pulling the goalie yes

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 28 @ 2:30 PM ET
Betting odds today and Start of season

BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Nov 28 @ 2:41 PM ET
Betting odds today and Start of season


- senstroll


How the hell did the Penguins odds get better while New Jersey's odds got worse? Also lol Oilers
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 28 @ 2:44 PM ET
How the hell did the Penguins odds get better while New Jersey's odds got worse? Also lol Oilers
- BINGO!


yeah some really odd changes
Also Columbus staying the same is odd.. they are pretty damn good
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 28 @ 2:46 PM ET
Ceci the next Jack Johnson

https://theathletic.com/1...arrying-or-sinking-teams/

Finally, we see San Jose and Ottawa (amongst The Athletic cities) anyway. To explain what's going on with Ottawa: my system classifies the Cody Ceci pair as the first pair at the moment. Guy Boucher's used that pair as the matchup pair early on, so they're getting called the first pair. Whether that's right or wrong in the abstract doesn't really matter – I'm trying to put together a reasonably fair comparison.

Of course, they're getting caved in from a possession perspective. They're doing a little better by the GF% measure but you can't really make the argument that it's due to defensive wizardry. The Senators are shooting 9.9 per cent with Ceci on the ice at the moment. That almost certainly has nothing to do with him.

The Senators' first pair not being much worse than San Jose's caught my eye. On one pair, you have Cody Ceci, who's trending towards becoming Jack Johnson for a new generation in terms of how predictable it is that he'll get bombed while hockey people love him. (Don't give your kids alliterative names if you want them to be NHL defencemen, folks.) On the other, you have Marc-Edouard Vlasic, a Team Canada stalwart who basically everyone loves. Both pairs are putting up lousy numbers. So is Vlasic getting excuses made for him? Is Ceci actually better than people think?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 28 @ 3:49 PM ET
since plus minus get brought up a lot
Here is one good explanation as to why its not a great stat and misleading


Woodguy‏ @Woodguy55
Further to the "5v5" +/- vs +/-, don't get hung up on shorties. Its the empty net goals that make it such a bad metric. The worst 6v5 +/- reads like an Allstar team since the best players are on the ice in the offensive situation. From Oct 2015 until today "bottom 20" in 6v5 +/-


- senstroll

K. So about -5 a season should be taken into account for this.

I still think +/- is just as good a stat as the fancy stats. Give me a player whose team scores more as opposed to less when he's in the ice any day of the week
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 28 @ 11:49 PM ET
leafs
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: desert ridge
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 29 @ 7:47 AM ET
leafs
- systemtool


Posturing
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville Senators coach Kurt Kleinendorst labels Thomas Chabot as “a Michelangelo”
Joined: 06.30.2006

Nov 29 @ 7:52 AM ET
leafs
- systemtool


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