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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 25 @ 9:44 AM ET
I remember him trying to call me an alcoholic once, when I called him an idiot.
- Feeling Glucky?


That would have been a serious comment. I don't remember.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 25 @ 9:52 AM ET
That would have been a serious comment. I don't remember.
- spatso


When you get to be your age, it will happen
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 25 @ 9:57 AM ET
When you get to be your age, it will happen
- senstroll

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 25 @ 10:30 AM ET

24 year old Jean-Gabriel Pagerioux has 0 goals in 9 games
38 year old over the hill overpaid Marleau has 4 goals in 9 games

discuss
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 25 @ 10:39 AM ET
24 year old Jean-Gabriel Pagerioux has 0 goals in 9 games
38 year old over the hill overpaid Marleau has 4 goals in 9 games

discuss

- senstroll


Boyle>Marleau
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If I was GM I'd trade for the pick right behind the Canucks every year - Nucker101, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Oct 25 @ 10:44 AM ET
Boyle>Marleau
- GreatGigInTheSky

\discussion
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If I was GM I'd trade for the pick right behind the Canucks every year - Nucker101, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Oct 25 @ 10:49 AM ET
PDO
Sens 104.86
Leafs 101.87

Good to know

- senstroll

Those are the kind of numbers that "win" coaches the Jack Adams.

Those kind of credentials allow one to run a private, high stakes card game at the Casino Royale.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 25 @ 11:23 AM ET
Those are the kind of numbers that "win" coaches the Jack Adams.

Those kind of credentials allow one to run a private, high stakes card game at the Casino Royale.

- BlueBallz


the fun part is the Sens are 4-5 with a PDO like that.
when that number starts to trend back towards 1.00 it could be bad

but for whatever reason the last few seasons the sens have been able to ride the wave pretty far with very average numbers and high PDO

But to your point, its funny how coaches ride hot goalies and high sh% to the Jack Adams then find themselves out of a job shortly after.

We will see what happens with the sens
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 25 @ 11:29 AM ET
the fun part is the Sens are 4-5 with a PDO like that.
when that number starts to trend back towards 1.00 it could be bad

but for whatever reason the last few seasons the sens have been able to ride the wave pretty far with very average numbers and high PDO

But to your point, its funny how coaches ride hot goalies and high sh% to the Jack Adams then find themselves out of a job shortly after.

We will see what happens with the sens

- senstroll


nah. they use their counter attack, speed and skill that no other team has to bury chances on the first try.

~randy carlyle, circa 2012
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 25 @ 11:41 AM ET
logan browne sent back to play with juniors

1A, 4 games.

not just a bust, but a bust the sens traded up to get.

lol @ sens
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Oct 25 @ 11:45 AM ET
nah. they use their counter attack, speed and skill that no other team has to bury chances on the first try.

~randy carlyle, circa 2012

- Tumbleweed

Leafs were able to ride a super high PDO for what, 140? games, before it all came crashing down. Latter half of the pre-lockout season, the shortened season, and the first half+ of the next one.

All the time, it was "we defend and then counter attack", right up until the counter attacks stopped working, and the goaltending stumbled.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Liljegren?
Joined: 05.07.2013

Oct 25 @ 1:16 PM ET
Leafs were able to ride a super high PDO for what, 140? games, before it all came crashing down. Latter half of the pre-lockout season, the shortened season, and the first half+ of the next one.

All the time, it was "we defend and then counter attack", right up until the counter attacks stopped working, and the goaltending stumbled.

- Feeling Glucky?

I have no doubt that Boucher's system will start to fail this season and Ottawa will start to lose because of it.

If that doesn't happen then I'll admit being wrong when the Sens fans remind me of it. Whether opposing coaches figure out how to play it or the players stop buying in, I don't see it lasting another ~70 games.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 25 @ 2:58 PM ET
I have no doubt that Boucher's system will start to fail this season and Ottawa will start to lose because of it.

If that doesn't happen then I'll admit being wrong when the Sens fans remind me of it. Whether opposing coaches figure out how to play it or the players stop buying in, I don't see it lasting another ~70 games.

- BetterCallSaul


I have worked with performance measures. The first thing you want to know is what is this telling me that I don't know. You always had to be aware of managers who tried to game the system by working primarily to achieve a supplementary measure rather than primary outcome.

I understand numbers and I understand hockey. There is nothing in these numbers that tells me why Pittsburgh won the Stanley Cup. Nothing that explains why LA Kings missed the playoffs.

If you look at the top 10 power ranked teams on the TSN rankings, 1/2 have a negative possession number. I do not know this for certain, but I believe that Ottawa wins the majority of games where they have a negative possession number and loses most games where they have a positive possession number.

Last week on Sirius I heard a fabulous piece where they were comparing fast strike offences with the LA King type down low possession cycle.

I honestly don't know if there is a coaching transition taking place. I do know at the end of Saturday night Mike Babcock said the Leafs lost because they got outworked. Hard to measure heart.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 25 @ 3:11 PM ET
I have no doubt that Boucher's system will start to fail this season and Ottawa will start to lose because of it.

If that doesn't happen then I'll admit being wrong when the Sens fans remind me of it. Whether opposing coaches figure out how to play it or the players stop buying in, I don't see it lasting another ~70 games.

- BetterCallSaul


Boucher has a history of short life span as his teams get sick of going 100% all game every game and they start to wear down.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 25 @ 3:12 PM ET

I understand numbers and I understand hockey. There is nothing in these numbers that tells me why Pittsburgh won the Stanley Cup. Nothing that explains why LA Kings missed the playoffs.

If you look at the top 10 power ranked teams on the TSN rankings, 1/2 have a negative possession number. I do not know this for certain, but I believe that Ottawa wins the majority of games where they have a negative possession number and loses most games where they have a positive possession number.
.

- spatso


Instead of just saying stuff can you post the actual data?

Its not hard.

and are these the "7-Eleven Power Rankings" you are talking about?

The Lightning entered 2017-18 as the No. 1 team in TSN's 7-Eleven Power Rankings and three weeks later they’re back on top, according to consensus rankings formulated by the TSN Power Ranking panel of Ray Ferraro, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie McLennan, Craig Button and Darren Dreger.


hmmm
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 25 @ 3:18 PM ET
Instead of just saying stuff can you post the actual data?

Its not hard.

and are these the "7-Eleven Power Rankings" you are talking about?



hmmm

- senstroll



How good do the Lightning look this year. Damn.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 25 @ 3:19 PM ET
24 year old Jean-Gabriel Pagerioux has 0 goals in 9 games
38 year old over the hill overpaid Marleau has 4 goals in 9 games

discuss

- senstroll


So, understanding that Marleau and the LEafs scoring will tail off, we are looking at what 25 goals?

and a ton of experience and leadership
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 25 @ 3:31 PM ET
How good do the Lightning look this year. Damn.
- Aetherial


Umm #1 on the 7-elevin ranking
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 25 @ 3:46 PM ET
I have worked with performance measures. The first thing you want to know is what is this telling me that I don't know. You always had to be aware of managers who tried to game the system by working primarily to achieve a supplementary measure rather than primary outcome.

I understand numbers and I understand hockey. There is nothing in these numbers that tells me why Pittsburgh won the Stanley Cup. Nothing that explains why LA Kings missed the playoffs.

If you look at the top 10 power ranked teams on the TSN rankings, 1/2 have a negative possession number. I do not know this for certain, but I believe that Ottawa wins the majority of games where they have a negative possession number and loses most games where they have a positive possession number.

Last week on Sirius I heard a fabulous piece where they were comparing fast strike offences with the LA King type down low possession cycle.

I honestly don't know if there is a coaching transition taking place. I do know at the end of Saturday night Mike Babcock said the Leafs lost because they got outworked. Hard to measure heart.

- spatso


you obviously didn't work with them well.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 25 @ 3:46 PM ET
Umm #1 on the 7-elevin ranking
- senstroll

winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The Hawks rent out Hossa's jock to teams with a cap problem
Joined: 04.03.2016

Oct 25 @ 3:52 PM ET
logan browne sent back to play with juniors

1A, 4 games.

not just a bust, but a bust the sens traded up to get.

lol @ sens

- Tumbleweed


What an exciting team the Sens. They are on pace to set an all-time record for overtime losses. They have 4 in 9 games - on pace for 36 this year. Next highest team in the NHL has 2.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 25 @ 3:57 PM ET
Umm #1 on the 7-elevin ranking
- senstroll



Any word on Avondale power rankings?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 25 @ 3:59 PM ET

- Tumbleweed


seriously though.

He doesnt understand why a subjective made up power ranking with 8 games of info does not align perfectly with a stat
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 25 @ 4:01 PM ET
seriously though.

He doesnt understand why a subjective made up power ranking with 8 games of info does not align perfectly with a stat

- senstroll


works with performance measures though. like made up power rankings
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 25 @ 4:58 PM ET


I wonder if we will see mass suicides, if, as I expect, the Leafs tank like Columbus did a few years ago when their rookies had played so well the previous year.

- spatso



anyone have a noose i can borrow?
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