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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 12 @ 8:34 AM ET
Nothing to do with media other than the Boucher quote. He is known to not like young players. So, I am delighted that he is finally beginning to acknowledge the great young assets available to him.
- spatso



He loves loves loves him, sent him down and played him 6 mins. But he loves loves loves him.


Nope, not you gobbling up media spew at all. Nope. None.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 12 @ 8:35 AM ET
While I agree that the Leafs defense is their achilles heel,

The Leafs fired FIFTY shots at Schneider and outshot the Devils 50-31. That is not superior defensive play, sorry.

yeah Gardiner was an abomination last night at both ends of the ice.

Devils scored two goals off deflections and then off the post. Meanwhile Schneider made more saves than any other game of his career.

Leafs needed a wakeup call, for sure, but 8-10 times that game goes the other way. I was kind of glad to see the loss. As long as they don't follow it up with another stinker in Montreal.

... we always suck against Montreal though.

- Aetherial




Will agree with you on this one, I would not go as far to say that Schneider "Stole the game", but he was a major part of the Devils win.

What was with the leaf's 220 pound"tough guy" Matt Martin, running a 170 pound Swedish 18 year old rookie at the end of the game?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 12 @ 8:40 AM ET
Will agree with you on this one, I would not go as far to say that Schneider "Stole the game", but he was a major part of the Devils win.

What was with the leaf's 220 pound"tough guy" Matt Martin, running a 170 pound Swedish 18 year old rookie at the end of the game?

- D0PPELGANGER



Goalie who saves like 50 shots, lots of good chances stole the game.... Especially when is team only shot like 30
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 12 @ 8:44 AM ET
While I agree that the Leafs defense is their achilles heel,

The Leafs fired FIFTY shots at Schneider and outshot the Devils 50-31. That is not superior defensive play, sorry.

yeah Gardiner was an abomination last night at both ends of the ice.

Devils scored two goals off deflections and then off the post. Meanwhile Schneider made more saves than any other game of his career.

Leafs needed a wakeup call, for sure, but 8-10 times that game goes the other way. I was kind of glad to see the loss. As long as they don't follow it up with another stinker in Montreal.

... we always suck against Montreal though.

- Aetherial



Funny how that works, you get better goaltending and give up 50 shots but have better defensive play

http://moneypuck.com/g.htm?id=2017020046

Was a winnable game for the Leafs, just got outgoalied

Gardiner, Rosen and Borgy had some WTF plays just handing the puck over

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:45 AM ET
While I agree that the Leafs defense is their achilles heel,

The Leafs fired FIFTY shots at Schneider and outshot the Devils 50-31. That is not superior defensive play, sorry.

yeah Gardiner was an abomination last night at both ends of the ice.

Devils scored two goals off deflections and then off the post. Meanwhile Schneider made more saves than any other game of his career.

Leafs needed a wakeup call, for sure, but 8-10 times that game goes the other way. I was kind of glad to see the loss. As long as they don't follow it up with another stinker in Montreal.

... we always suck against Montreal though.

- Aetherial


Good post.

Not easy going from all out attack of 50+ shot assault to playing responsible team D. I don't think you can open up to get your 50 shots without giving up chances coming back at you.

Montreal had early season success by playing run and gun and letting Cary Price bail them out on the counter.

Babcock has been warning this was coming. It gets a lot tougher in the second half.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 12 @ 8:45 AM ET
Funny how that works, you get better goaltending and give up 50 shots but have better defensive play

http://moneypuck.com/g.htm?id=2017020046

Was a winnable game for the Leafs, just got outgoalied

Gardiner, Rosen and Borgy had some WTF plays just handing the puck over

- senstroll



Agreed.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 12 @ 8:46 AM ET
Will agree with you on this one, I would not go as far to say that Schneider "Stole the game", but he was a major part of the Devils win.

What was with the leaf's 220 pound"tough guy" Matt Martin, running a 170 pound Swedish 18 year old rookie at the end of the game?

- D0PPELGANGER



based on shot locations the Leafs had an expected goals of 6 to 3.5 for NJ
Schneider was very solid
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:47 AM ET
Will agree with you on this one, I would not go as far to say that Schneider "Stole the game", but he was a major part of the Devils win.

What was with the leaf's 220 pound"tough guy" Matt Martin, running a 170 pound Swedish 18 year old rookie at the end of the game?

- D0PPELGANGER


Ugly bush league play. Fits Leaf image. Announcers tried to tone it down knowing Martin was looking pretty inappropriate.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 12 @ 8:49 AM ET
Good post.

Not easy going from all out attack of 50+ shot assault to playing responsible team D. I don't think you can open up to get your 50 shots without giving up chances coming back at you.

Montreal had early season success by playing run and gun and letting Cary Price bail them out on the counter.

Babcock has been warning this was coming. It gets a lot tougher in the second half.

- spatso


I think you talk out your ass a lot of the time and make poop up.
I am guessing you didnt watch the game (or much of it) but somehow know NJ had a good defensive game.

so much noise from you and not much substance
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:49 AM ET
based on shot locations the Leafs had an expected goals of 6 to 3.5 for NJ
Schneider was very solid

- senstroll


Repeat after me.

Defense wins championships. Leafs have given up 16 goals in 4 games.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
Repeat after me.

Defense wins championships. Leafs have given up 16 goals in 4 games.

- spatso


Pens defence was the bestest last year
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
I think you talk out your ass a lot of the time and make poop up.
I am guessing you didnt watch the game (or much of it) but somehow know NJ had a good defensive game.

so much noise from you and not much substance

- senstroll


Watched every minute.

Fun game.

Leafs desperately need a veteran Dman presence to calm things down on back end. Babcock has been warning that this can go south very quickly.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Oct 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
Goalie who saves like 50 shots, lots of good chances stole the game.... Especially when is team only shot like 30
- burn

Glad it happened against the Devil and not the Habs on Saturday.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:53 AM ET
Pens defence was the bestest last year
- Tumbleweed


Pens had best goalie in playoffs. Makes huge difference.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 12 @ 8:55 AM ET
Pens had best goalie in playoffs. Makes huge difference.
- spatso


Story keeps changing.


Typical for someone talking out of their ass
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:57 AM ET
Glad it happened against the Devil and not the Habs on Saturday.
- walshyleafsfan


Montreal will be a desperate team. They are in deep trouble if they can't get it going.

Either Montreal plays their first good game of the season or they blown out by the Leafs. I am inclined to think it is going to be a blow out by Leafs.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:59 AM ET
Story keeps changing.


Typical for someone talking out of their ass

- Tumbleweed


Hardly. Suppose you want to say superior goaltending is not a defensive asset.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 12 @ 9:17 AM ET
Watched every minute.

Fun game.

Leafs desperately need a veteran Dman presence to calm things down on back end. Babcock has been warning that this can go south very quickly.

- spatso


Sure they do.

36 year old Hainsey who they signed is not the right veteran Dman presence to calm things down?

they need to improve thier D..age doesnt matter
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 12 @ 9:21 AM ET
Hardly. Suppose you want to say superior goaltending is not a defensive asset.
- spatso



When a goaltender plays well for a team, other than the leafs, the leaf fans claim it was "Fluky" of he was "Lucky" or "Overachieved" ............never Superior.

For example, Craig Anderson's save percentage has averaged .924 since he was acquired by the Senators......... but every year leaf fans like (the banned) Prock has maintained that Anderson "had a lucky/flucky or overachieved" season or playoffs, and that he'd never play that well again ........... but the stats show that (the banned) Prock was wrong.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 12 @ 9:22 AM ET
Sure they do.

36 year old Hainsey who they signed is not the right veteran Dman presence to calm things down?

they need to improve thier D..age doesnt matter

- senstroll



except when the Senators acquires an older player, right?


senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 12 @ 9:26 AM ET
except when the Senators acquires an older player, right?



- D0PPELGANGER


I am just saying the veteran thing is meaningless ...the leafs could add 5 veterans on D for all the calming leaderships in the world but if they are not good at hockey it wont help
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 12 @ 9:26 AM ET
Will agree with you on this one, I would not go as far to say that Schneider "Stole the game", but he was a major part of the Devils win.

What was with the leaf's 220 pound"tough guy" Matt Martin, running a 170 pound Swedish 18 year old rookie at the end of the game?

- D0PPELGANGER


I thought it was Henrique...

I have to admit I had it on but wasn't paying attention at that point. a Habs fan made a comment in the leafs thread about it. I just didn't see it.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 12 @ 9:31 AM ET
Montreal will be a desperate team. They are in deep trouble if they can't get it going.

Either Montreal plays their first good game of the season or they blown out by the Leafs. I am inclined to think it is going to be a blow out by Leafs.

- spatso


IF the Leafs win, (they won't), it will be close. The only blowout would be on the Montreal side.

It would look a lot like l last night, Goalie stones the Leafs and every mistake the Leafs make ends up in their net.

Games like that happen, but you need that goalie to make it happen. Montreal has that goalie, and they are VERY due for some offensive luck.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 12 @ 9:33 AM ET
except when the Senators acquires an older player, right?



- D0PPELGANGER


The problem with the Sens is not that they have an older player here and there. Most teams do. The Leafs do, now.

The problem with the Sens is that their core is aging, and about to get more expensive . The elite young talent is not there yet, may never be, it remains to be seen. White and Brown are not "elite". They may be good NHL'ers. Chabot has a chance to be an elite player but it is probably too much to think that happens in the next 2 years.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 12 @ 9:46 AM ET
I thought it was Henrique...

I have to admit I had it on but wasn't paying attention at that point. a Habs fan made a comment in the leafs thread about it. I just didn't see it.

- Aetherial



Yeah, Hennrique came to the defense of the little Swedish player who was steam rolled by the leafs "tough guy" who had at least a fifty pound advantage.

It was not nessasary from my POV, but perhaps something happened earlier in the game, as I just caught the last five minutes.
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