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Ben Shelley
San Jose Sharks
Location: ON
Joined: 04.09.2020

Jun 5 @ 7:45 PM ET
Ben Shelley: Was trading Tomas Hertl the right move for the Sharks?
Zupes
San Jose Sharks
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 09.02.2012

Jun 5 @ 8:32 PM ET
Correct move.

Retaining and giving up 2 high 3rds is ridiculous though.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 5 @ 9:39 PM ET
The challenge Grier had was the trade protections on all those older core players severely restrict the trade return value. Given he's not going to get highest bidder options he's going to get whatever the players are willing to waive for. Wilson left him in an absolutely disaster situation.
Ryman
Season Ticket Holder
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Jose, CA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Jun 5 @ 9:59 PM ET
Hard to say right or wrong move when you are in this rebuild and cleaning things up. If he stayed, would he have been a key piece to build around or by the time the right parts are here he became the wrong part. I lean to this being the right move as I want to see Hertl go to a team that has a good chance to win now.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 6 @ 12:34 AM ET
Yes. It’s an emotional response to keep an outstanding player and good team guy. Eklund, Smith and Celebrini are the future. Hertl’s timeline doesn’t fit. It’s one of those tough decisions and Grier is right to not fall in love with the player.

The return was very underwhelming but Grier didn’t have much leverage.

Roadrunner75
Seattle Kraken
Location: ON
Joined: 03.01.2013

Jun 6 @ 1:15 AM ET
Grier doing fine tryin to rebuild and clean up this utter mess. It's the right move no matter how painful it got and will get. This is a longterm fix project so poor Sharks fans gonna be feeling it for a while longer
hockeygm
Season Ticket Holder
San Jose Sharks
Location: Reno, NV
Joined: 05.12.2008

Jun 6 @ 1:50 AM ET
Once again, Grier did not get an adequate return because he forced the trade instead of waiting for the summer to give more teams an opportunity to put together a better package. Giving ip two 3rds, which are really late round 2nds and each carry a 20% chance of playing 100 NHL games greatly dimities the trade in addition tot the salary retention.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jun 6 @ 8:32 AM ET
Grier doing fine tryin to rebuild and clean up this utter mess. It's the right move no matter how painful it got and will get. This is a longterm fix project so poor Sharks fans gonna be feeling it for a while longer
- Roadrunner75


Agreed , he get's heat for salary retention but it seems like the only incentive that makes other gm's consider moving a player .
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 6 @ 10:42 AM ET
It's kind of tough, because the cap really limits things as well. There have been a bunch of trades where the return for a good established player is underwhelming. A lot of the cap teams don't have many assets left as they've been trading away picks and prospects to win a cup for a few years. I'd say it was the right move at the moment. As always it depends what you do with those picks/prospects.

I think SJ is doing a great job building down the middle. It will be interesting to see what they put around these kids.
EyeLikePie
San Jose Sharks
Location: Stuck in.., CA
Joined: 08.13.2009

Jun 6 @ 2:34 PM ET
I have to think it was the right move at the right time. The team is still rebuilding and will be for the next few years, having that much salary tied up without a chance to sniff the playoffs would have been terrible for the books and for the player.
If he hadn't pulled the trigger at the moment, we'd end up with another Vlasic Contract.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Saturday @ 7:54 PM ET
Once again, Grier did not get an adequate return because he forced the trade instead of waiting for the summer to give more teams an opportunity to put together a better package. Giving ip two 3rds, which are really late round 2nds and each carry a 20% chance of playing 100 NHL games greatly dimities the trade in addition tot the salary retention.
- hockeygm


I don't know if you just dislike your GM or not but I feel you're ignoring important information to carry a narrative of negativity.

Hertl has a FULL no move clause so it doesn't matter if other teams were interested in the summer or not, Hertl has ALL the power in this deal for a few more years. Grier took his chances now instead of waiting on a declining asset, or what he and his team likely consider a declining asset.

Second, Grier got a 1st round pick and a recent 1st round pick too. They both have a 75% chance to make the show in 100+ plus games. That's much better than worrying about the 13% on the 3rd rounders. They are 3rd rounders, not second round picks. Regardless of how you think of them. Even still...they would 17% to make 100 games...an 83% chance of sucking ass.