Sens Writer: Red Wings hand the Senators their first home ice loss of the season

I can't stress this enough ---- games against Buffalo, Detroit, Florida are way too important to let them slip with bad penalties and running around in our own end.

We need to add NYI, PIT to that list!

Either Zub needs to come back quickly otherwise the team defensive needs to be a lot tighter, especially in key moments of the game. The way the Sens played in the first 10-15 mins of the game, they should've won this won! What makes me even more upset is that DET knows they can beat OTT now. Ottawa HAS to win the next game against them

Frustrating game to watch.

The Sens had tons of shots, but I'm not sure how many were great scoring chances. Hoping that isn't a pattern, or as time goes on they can translate those into goals as the blog mentioned.

Detroit used the same play numerous times. Center the puck in front of the net. There didn't seem to be any adjustment to counter this.

Still 3-2 to start which is pretty good, but most wins were vs bad teams.
Got to play well in this stretch coming up or a good start can quickly look similar to the starts from the past few seasons. Big opportunity to show they can shake this off and play well vs another team theyre competing with in Buffalo.

Big time frustrating. DeBrincat has a goal already today and is helping DET win games!

Essentially our GM F**king traded our 2022 7th overall pick (Kevin Korchinski) and 39th pick for Dominik Kubalik, Donovan Sebrango and a LOW 2023 1st.

Yzerman fleeced Dorion. We should've kept the 7th overall pick. Signing Tarasenko is great but Kubalik needs to pot 20 goals and get a decent return at deadline.

Big time frustrating. DeBrincat has a goal already today and is helping DET win games!

Essentially our GM F**king traded our 2022 7th overall pick (Kevin Korchinski) and 39th pick for Dominik Kubalik, Donovan Sebrango and a LOW 2023 1st.

Yzerman fleeced Dorion. We should've kept the 7th overall pick. Signing Tarasenko is great but Kubalik needs to pot 20 goals and get a decent return at deadline.
- AlfieisKing

the dorion way, throwing poop at the wall and seeing what sticks, he has amazing luck tho, SJS pick ending 3rd, Stu being a superstar, Sanderson becoming a norris candidate, Norris developing into a 1/2C and getting Chych for next to nothing.

Bad at everthing as a GM but got dam good luck

DeBrincat with the hat trick tonight 6-2 win over Calgary. That trade is like the gift that keeps on giving. Not sure if he'll hit 40 goals again... but that top line of Detroit is pretty daunting at the moment.

Wings' fans are just enjoying the ride... Fingers crossed we don't get hit by the injury bug.

Alex DeBrincat now has 12 points (8 goals) - leads NHL in both categories through 6 games. WTF was Pierre Dorion thinking giving him to a divisional rival for pennies on the dollar !

Alex DeBrincat now has 12 points (8 goals) - leads NHL in both categories through 6 games. WTF was Pierre Dorion thinking giving him to a divisional rival for pennies on the dollar !
- AlfieisKing

There was no other trade out there. DeBrincat was looking to sign longer term with Detroit. So, did we get much back in return? No, but there was nothing else out there. If people want to complain that we never should have traded for DeBrincat in the first place, then I can buy that argument now. A DeBrincat on Ottawa was never going to displace Tkachuk from the first line, and with Norris coming back, was only going to get 2nd PP time. He was just not a fit in Ottawa. Live and learn. I think that by year end, we may be seeing the last Dorion especially with his handling of the cap situation and Pinto. He's just being given the rope to hang himself. Ironically, DJ Smith may actually be the one to stay longer.

Had we not traded for DeBrincat, I don't know who Ottawa would have drafted (I'm not sure we draft Korchinski). So I don't really care what DeBrincat does in Detroit. Good for him. Who cares. I can't understand the incessant naval gazing of past trades. Its done. Move on and decide how we get better from here.

I'd like to see Kubalik traded so we can make room for Pinto. I doubt that Dorion would be allowed to trade Pinto at this point. If he doesn't resolve it shortly, I would not be surprised to see Staios jump in and resolve it for him. Patience will only go so far.

Buf is coming in on Tuesday the 2nd game of a back to back, they MTL on Monday, IF OTT loses, DJ should be fired, Dorion should be fired for not having traded kubalik and signed Pinto, every games that passes Pintos cap this goes up, so at this point just trading Kubalik i no longer enough cap to get Pinto signed to 2.5M.

this moron of a Gm will make Pinto miss a entire season just to not look worst on the cat trade to DET and the fact ownership isn't stepping in makes me question if things will be any different at all from Melnyk.

the dorion way, throwing poop at the wall and seeing what sticks, he has amazing luck tho, SJS pick ending 3rd, Stu being a superstar, Sanderson becoming a norris candidate, Norris developing into a 1/2C and getting Chych for next to nothing.

Bad at everthing as a GM but got dam good luck
- Mithos

That's some great logic. Bad at everything but got lucky with our top 6 F and top 4 D.

It's not that far from the truth.
He's lucky the Kings picked who they picked.
And that 5th pick really did fall from the sky.

The DeBrincat deal was a handcuff. We all hoped he'd stay. And he didn't want to. Can't blame Dorion for that one. But he continues to get hosed in deals by not thinking them through. The Chicago deal to get the cat in the first place. WHY was Chicago so eager to let him go....because of the massive qualifying offer, they're going into a rebuild we don't need him lets get someone to over pay. And someone did.

Then with Detroit, Ottawa had the commodity but Yzerman was smarter. He knew Dorion was painted into a corner and that he was the only option. He made Kubalik look like a commodity when in fact his contract was a burden Yzerman wanted out from under. It's not a fleecing it's just clever gamesmanship.

It's not that far from the truth.
He's lucky the Kings picked who they picked.
And that 5th pick really did fall from the sky.

The DeBrincat deal was a handcuff. We all hoped he'd stay. And he didn't want to. Can't blame Dorion for that one. But he continues to get hosed in deals by not thinking them through. The Chicago deal to get the cat in the first place. WHY was Chicago so eager to let him go....because of the massive qualifying offer, they're going into a rebuild we don't need him lets get someone to over pay. And someone did.

Then with Detroit, Ottawa had the commodity but Yzerman was smarter. He knew Dorion was painted into a corner and that he was the only option. He made Kubalik look like a commodity when in fact his contract was a burden Yzerman wanted out from under. It's not a fleecing it's just clever gamesmanship.
- Octavarium

Yzerman may be the best gm in the league. Definitely a strong move over a weaker gm. I have 10$ on debrincat to score the most goals in the atlantic. 5 on stutzle .

Just 1 game. And do believe they will outpace det to secure a playoff spot .
However just like many contracts on the team that weren't earned. They have not earned any hype from the fans.

It's not that far from the truth.
He's lucky the Kings picked who they picked.
And that 5th pick really did fall from the sky.

The DeBrincat deal was a handcuff. We all hoped he'd stay. And he didn't want to. Can't blame Dorion for that one. But he continues to get hosed in deals by not thinking them through. The Chicago deal to get the cat in the first place. WHY was Chicago so eager to let him go....because of the massive qualifying offer, they're going into a rebuild we don't need him lets get someone to over pay. And someone did.

Then with Detroit, Ottawa had the commodity but Yzerman was smarter. He knew Dorion was painted into a corner and that he was the only option. He made Kubalik look like a commodity when in fact his contract was a burden Yzerman wanted out from under. It's not a fleecing it's just clever gamesmanship.
- Octavarium

I'm not so sure on Kubalik. Everyone who had him before told us who he was. A very streaky player who will frustrate you. As much as we criticize Dorion, I doubt he didn't know this as well.

While he would be harder to trade now than the start of the season, it may be the best option as people said at the start.

There was no other trade out there. DeBrincat was looking to sign longer term with Detroit. So, did we get much back in return? No, but there was nothing else out there. If people want to complain that we never should have traded for DeBrincat in the first place, then I can buy that argument now. A DeBrincat on Ottawa was never going to displace Tkachuk from the first line, and with Norris coming back, was only going to get 2nd PP time. He was just not a fit in Ottawa. Live and learn. I think that by year end, we may be seeing the last Dorion especially with his handling of the cap situation and Pinto. He's just being given the rope to hang himself. Ironically, DJ Smith may actually be the one to stay longer.

Had we not traded for DeBrincat, I don't know who Ottawa would have drafted (I'm not sure we draft Korchinski). So I don't really care what DeBrincat does in Detroit. Good for him. Who cares. I can't understand the incessant naval gazing of past trades. Its done. Move on and decide how we get better from here.

I'd like to see Kubalik traded so we can make room for Pinto. I doubt that Dorion would be allowed to trade Pinto at this point. If he doesn't resolve it shortly, I would not be surprised to see Staios jump in and resolve it for him. Patience will only go so far.
- OttawaB

These are really critical points re: DeBrincat, and a reminder of the importance of opportunity in the NHL. If Dorion/Smith knew that DeBrincat was reluctant to play for a small-market Canadian team, they certainly did very little to entice him. In fact, they pretty much immediately demoted him to the 2nd line at the start of last season, after he'd playing most of the pre-season with Stutzle/Giroux. Then once Norris got hurt, he was the one expected to cope with having a rookie C playing a role he wasn't yet ready for. I mean, that's fine if your priority is to get the most out of Tkachuk... not so fine if you have any concern or regard about the future of DeBrincat with your team.

As such, regardless of the AAV of the RFA extension, the Senators were offering DeBrincat nothing more than a chance to play the rest of his career prime as a 2nd line winger. DeBrincat knew better, and felt he deserved a chance to sign for UFA money as a top-line player. Nobody knew that team would necessarily be Detroit, but if you're expecting a player to essentially forego UFA status and sign long-term a year before they have to, you have to take the trade offers that come. Was getting a 1st, Kubalik & Sebrango a great trade return? No, but it was at least cost-recovery after they'd painted themselves into a corner.

The real problem now is whether trading one of Kubalik/Brannstrom represents a vanity/pride issue for Dorion. They need to get Pinto signed, and they even have the middle-6 solutions in place if they need to move Kubalik, especially with the resurgence of Joseph and Greig looking more than NHL-ready. At this point, I think all indications point to a Kubalik trade having the least negative impact on the roster... now it's just a matter of seeing if they can get a team like NSH, ANA, or SJ to make a deal.

Alex DeBrincat now has 12 points (8 goals) - leads NHL in both categories through 6 games. WTF was Pierre Dorion thinking giving him to a divisional rival for pennies on the dollar !
- AlfieisKing

he didnt have a choice? what would you have done with DeBrincat?
yes, the return was not good but, his hands were tied and Yzerman knew he was bidding against himself.

Alex DeBrincat now has 12 points (8 goals) - leads NHL in both categories through 6 games. WTF was Pierre Dorion thinking giving him to a divisional rival for pennies on the dollar !
- AlfieisKing

Problem was Debrincat had all the leverage. We could have kept him one more year, but the player wouldn't commit to Ottawa. Nobody wants to trade meaningful assets for a player who doesn't want to play for your team, and in trade talks, the player was willing to sign an extension with only one team - the Red Wings.

When your potential trade destination is chosen for you, you don't have a lot of leverage. Sucks, but it's the player's prerogative. Hindsight is 20/20, but Fiala is clearly the move we should have made.

The real problem now is whether trading one of Kubalik/Brannstrom represents a vanity/pride issue for Dorion. They need to get Pinto signed, and they even have the middle-6 solutions in place if they need to move Kubalik, especially with the resurgence of Joseph and Greig looking more than NHL-ready. At this point, I think all indications point to a Kubalik trade having the least negative impact on the roster... now it's just a matter of seeing if they can get a team like NSH, ANA, or SJ to make a deal.
- khawk

This. Kubalik got 20 goals last year, he should have value... Or at least not negative value. But I don't think Dorion has ever entertained moving DK - it's always been Joseph, who possesses a more valuable skill set to the team on the PK than Kubalik would have playing 14 mins a game/on the second PP unit.

All well and nice trying to get something for him, but I'd be fine flipping Kubalik for future considerations at this point. Buffalo, Columbus might be inclined to take a flyer on him.

Problem was Debrincat had all the leverage. We could have kept him one more year, but the player wouldn't commit to Ottawa. Nobody wants to trade meaningful assets for a player who doesn't want to play for your team, and in trade talks, the player was willing to sign an extension with only one team - the Red Wings.

When your potential trade destination is chosen for you, you don't have a lot of leverage. Sucks, but it's the player's prerogative. Hindsight is 20/20, but Fiala is clearly the move we should have made.
- Bartacus

Hindsight is 20/20 but it's also a cop out for GM's. That's their job and they have a whole bunch of people working with them. They should do better.

Here's an idea. (2.5 for Kubalik, 5 for Tarasenko, 0.75 MacEwen = 8.25M) take all of these guys off the team and for 750K more you have DeBrincat here until the trade deadline. By then he could have 30 goals, win us a bunch of games, isn't an asset for DET, and how much worse would the return be? So people saying he HAD to make a weak deal with DET pisses me off because it's a lie.

Also why does Dorion trade a 7th overall pick for worse picks and a third line vet who shows up big in the preseason? It's frustrating to say the least. If DET plays outside your conference or even division I can accept, or if you get a prospect or two, but this is just plain looking horrible. DeBrincat is too blame most, that hobbit was barely trying when he was here. I hope someone flattens him

Hindsight is 20/20 but it's also a cop out for GM's. That's their job and they have a whole bunch of people working with them. They should do better.

Here's an idea. (2.5 for Kubalik, 5 for Tarasenko, 0.75 MacEwen = 8.25M) take all of these guys off the team and for 750K more you have DeBrincat here until the trade deadline. By then he could have 30 goals, win us a bunch of games, isn't an asset for DET, and how much worse would the return be? So people saying he HAD to make a weak deal with DET pisses me off because it's a lie.

Also why does Dorion trade a 7th overall pick for worse picks and a third line vet who shows up big in the preseason? It's frustrating to say the least. If DET plays outside your conference or even division I can accept, or if you get a prospect or two, but this is just plain looking horrible. DeBrincat is too blame most, that hobbit was barely trying when he was here. I hope someone flattens him
- AlfieisKing

What's not a lie: a player is worth far more for a full season and with an extension in place. When you're building a winning team and you have a disgruntled star that has indicated he's not buying in, do you really want to keep him around? Morale wise? You know he's not in the long term picture, so you're not giving him top line minutes, which could mean he doesn't play to potential, or with passion/like he cares, possibly diminishing his value further leading to the deadline. He wanted to go, fans wanted him gone, who knows what new management thought about any of it, but it is what it is: When a player makes it clear he wants to play in one place and he *isn't* doing it for posturing purposes to increase his payday (see Dubois, Pierre Luc), you really don't have much to go on.

Not making excuses for Dorion, mind you. We bought high and sold low.

Side bar: would u accept a deal for Pinto that included a 1st and a prospect?

Side bar: would u accept a deal for Pinto that included a 1st and a prospect?
- GrimmdaGoalie

Personally, if I was GM, I would not accept that trade.
Where would that 1rst round pick fall .... early or late in the draft. Nobody is trading an unprotected first round pick anymore.
Also, with that first round pick you are trying to draft a player like Pinto. Pinto is a known commodity. We have seen what he has done. Why trade the player when you are then going to spend the next few years trying to get another player like Pinto? I think it is safe to argue that Pinto is at a minimum a 3rd line centre who can play on the PK, and play on the 2nd line PP, and be more then adequate at faceoffs. At best, he can be developed into a 2nd line player.
When it comes to draft picks, even first round picks, many/most never develop into anything and may not ever make it to the NHL. Drafting is still a crap shoot even with all the info we have today.

So.
If all the investigations come back negative.
Is anyone offering Formenton a 2 way deal with Belleville?
Or has too much time passed?

Great opportunity tonight for a bounce back game.

A ceremony for Andy. Buffalo is off to a bit of a slow start and lost to montreal last night. If the Sens can get chances early like last game they can put themselves in a good spot.

It's still early, but this is a good chance try and proobe they are a different team than last year by winning those early games they always seem to lose

Safe to say OTT will not sniff close to the playoffs again this year

Is Zub that important? Damn these last 2 games are rough.