Sens Writer: Draft Day DeBrincat Trade?
Draft Day DeBrincat Trade?

Poached one of my own posts from the last thread, but I wanted to make sure we had a Draft Day blog on the main page. Fire away!

I could see no DeBrincat trade happening, Ottawa submits QO then tries to trade in season with massive retention.

I could see no DeBrincat trade happening, Ottawa submits QO then tries to trade in season with massive retention.
- Glak18

I could easily see no trade happening at the draft, but I can't see any plausible scenario where they trade DeBrincat mid-season... let alone with salary retention. They've already filed for arbitration, which will almost certainly be the final clock on the situation.

I think the Sens want Big But!

could one of the 2 RHD you mentioned be OTTs target to replace Zub when his contract expires, they should be NHL ready around when Zubs contract expires

could one of the 2 RHD you mentioned be OTTs target to replace Zub when his contract expires, they should be NHL ready around when Zubs contract expires
- Mithos

Definitely... Oliver Bonk in particular would check a lot of boxes, including further repatriating former players into the current organizational mix. Of course, they should probably continue to try to groom one of Bernard-Docker or Thomson for that level of top-4D role, because it could take any D-man drafted in 2023 three or four years just to play their first NHL game.

wow ducks pass on Fantilli for leo carlsson

Would be pretty ticked off if I were a Coyotes fan... nothing against Simashev, but in what world is he not available at #12? Not to mention that WSH was apparently bursting at the seams to get Michkov... you really couldn't have traded down to #8 to pick Simashev? Bizarre.

I agree, trading DeBrincat mid season is not going to happen. Scratch that, if the Sens are out of the playoffs by February, then they trade him. But that’s a nightmare scenario and it means he probably had another down year.

There’s no way they trade him if they are in a playoff position, they won’t move a contributing player.

He has to be moved in the next week or he likely walks for nothing. I’m okay with proposed Detroit trade to be honest.

Breaking News: internet rumors are complete horse$hit.

Breaking News: internet rumors are complete horse$hit.
- khawk

yup

Breaking News: internet rumors are complete horse$hit.
- khawk

They almost always are horse$hit. Except when they aren't.
#17 overall + 1 or 2 minor additions would have been a solid return for Debrincat. The trade doesn't fit Yzerman's style for building a team though.

So, no trades of first round picks tonight?

They almost always are horse$hit. Except when they aren't.
#17 overall + 1 or 2 minor additions would have been a solid return for Debrincat. The trade doesn't fit Yzerman's style for building a team though.
- SensFan25

Well, there could be a very similar trade still in the works involving something like Zadina, a 1st-2024 (BOS), and one of their three 2nd round picks this year... but I guess we'll see what happens. The real surprise was the lack of any kind of splash from NSH... could be that Trotz is even more stingy as a GM than he was as a coach.

Sometimes the best option is to do nothing. Do the arbitration and just play DeBrincat. Let him walk away at the end of next season. Not resigning him will free a notional $8m from cap. Add this to the $5m projected cap increase (completion of the escrow clawback) and the Sens will be in good shape overall.

Free cap space is a huge weapon for the team that choose to exploit it. Every team is now trying to lock in their RFA's long term. At the same time, multiple teams are already in cap hell and it is going to get worse for them despite completion of the escrow repayment. Every agent is counting on their player being able to fully exploit the cap increase come next summer. The end result will be excessive demand, a bunch of overpayments and even less money available and most competitive teams being unable to bid on some really good UfAs that will be coming on the market.

We might not get another Giroux next summer but there will be some really good options available.

Doing nothing is not only doing something, it can also be the aggressive option.

Well, there could be a very similar trade still in the works involving something like Zadina, a 1st-2024 (BOS), and one of their three 2nd round picks this year... but I guess we'll see what happens. The real surprise was the lack of any kind of splash from NSH... could be that Trotz is even more stingy as a GM than he was as a coach.
- khawk

I doubt draft picks are needed. If Nashville is offering Askarov plus another young player. Other teams will be ready to jump on that deal. Trotz was quoted as saying he wants a star player that will draw fans out of their seats. Is he looking for more than DeBrincat?

Who are the teams that need a goaltender, need to free up some cap space and have an elite/exciting skater they can trade? I assume the player needs to be prime age (24-27) or younger.

So ya.
Internet rumors.
Bonk was available.
No trade.

I don't think it was Dorion. I think it was Yzerman. He's just so cagey. He was never trading a 1st round pick.

I absolutely agree with the hearing. The signing. And the playing. I wanted him here all along. Maybe with some team success he comes around and announces a short or long term deal. I"m happy with either for a player of his caliber. You want a short one to get to UFA? Fine take 7 million with bonuses and no- no trade. You want longer term...lets talk.

I could see no DeBrincat trade happening, Ottawa submits QO then tries to trade in season with massive retention.
- Glak18

wouldn't mind..... will help sens playoff push big time and he will score 38+ goals next season, watch

Sometimes the best option is to do nothing. Do the arbitration and just play DeBrincat. Let him walk away at the end of next season. Not resigning him will free a notional $8m from cap. Add this to the $5m projected cap increase (completion of the escrow clawback) and the Sens will be in good shape overall.

Free cap space is a huge weapon for the team that choose to exploit it. Every team is now trying to lock in their RFA's long term. At the same time, multiple teams are already in cap hell and it is going to get worse for them despite completion of the escrow repayment. Every agent is counting on their player being able to fully exploit the cap increase come next summer. The end result will be excessive demand, a bunch of overpayments and even less money available and most competitive teams being unable to bid on some really good UfAs that will be coming on the market.

We might not get another Giroux next summer but there will be some really good options available.

Doing nothing is not only doing something, it can also be the aggressive option.
- spatso

Well, no, I don’t think allowing him to walk for nothing is a good strategy at all.

We gave up assets for this player and if his intentions are elsewhere, best to recoup and address other needs.

I’m happy letting this go to the deadline, but I’d be pissed if PD decided to keep him the entire year for a playoff push and get nothing when he walks.

We are trying to win a cup, not just make the playoffs..at this moment the team has great building blocks but still holes at goaltending, bottom 6, defensive depth.

If PD cannot get anything of substance for Cat before the seasons starts, I’d be fine letting him play it out, up his value and deal him before the deadline.

The problem with dealing DeBrincat at the deadline is if the Sens are competing for a playoff spot, then trading away a top 6 goal scoring forward at the deadline is a non-starter. It does not happen. IMO, you either trade him now and get your replacement parts now, or you just become resigned to keeping DeBrincat for the whole year.

Quite frankly .... if Dorion can't get his goalie, trade Debrincat, and get credible forwards from free agency or trades .... then Andlauer should fire him in September before the start of the season and get his team in place. The time for Dorion to get it right is now ... or we punt him.

The problem with dealing DeBrincat at the deadline is if the Sens are competing for a playoff spot, then trading away a top 6 goal scoring forward at the deadline is a non-starter. It does not happen. IMO, you either trade him now and get your replacement parts now, or you just become resigned to keeping DeBrincat for the whole year.

Quite frankly .... if Dorion can't get his goalie, trade Debrincat, and get credible forwards from free agency or trades .... then Andlauer should fire him in September before the start of the season and get his team in place. The time for Dorion to get it right is now ... or we punt him.
- OttawaB

with DJ still the HC, Sens will be elliminated from playoff contention in november so that will not be a problem

Lots of GMs stated they were trying to move up in the first - clearly there's GM consensus that these picks are worth making. Made for a boring watch last night. Debrincat deal will take some massaging, but I don't doubt there are a few teams still on the line for the player. So we didn't trade into 2023 - maybe Dorion never wanted draft capital and is pulling for roster players. If Askarov was dangled as EF suggested Trotz may have done to move up, I'd be making some inquiries on that line.

I wonder who on the scouting staff is whispering in Dorion's ear from the BCHL. JBD, Tychonik, now Hoyt, Beckner... It appears to be his favourite new pool, taking over from USNDP/USHL. There have been precious few impact players to come from there, so I'm not sure I understand the obsession.

The problem with dealing DeBrincat at the deadline is if the Sens are competing for a playoff spot, then trading away a top 6 goal scoring forward at the deadline is a non-starter. It does not happen. IMO, you either trade him now and get your replacement parts now, or you just become resigned to keeping DeBrincat for the whole year.

Quite frankly .... if Dorion can't get his goalie, trade Debrincat, and get credible forwards from free agency or trades .... then Andlauer should fire him in September before the start of the season and get his team in place. The time for Dorion to get it right is now ... or we punt him.
- OttawaB

Ideally you want this done before July 1. At the same time if the return doesn’t address any of your needs, it’s not a good strategy to make a deal for the sake of it.

This team is not competing for a cup next year. I wouldn’t care if the Sens were in a playoff spot by the deadline and decided to deal Cat. It shouldn’t even change the dynamic of the locker room since the guy wants to be elsewhere. It has to be treated like a business, and if there’s a better deal to be had later, so be it.