On Gibson Returning Home to Pitt It looks very much like the Penguins have decided to push all in on the Ducks keeper…He is a Pittsburgh Native…Toronto, Buffalo and NJ are also keeping tabs.

Unless it's a really sweet deal for PIT, like Gibson for a 7th rounder, don't take on that contract! Otherwise, anything else ANA needs to be taking on 50% of that monster...lots of risk for PIT, but could pan out as Gibson still has gas in the tank imo...ANA just is a demoralizing place to play...either way no trading of lots of capital for him!

If PIT can get ANA to take on Granlund and/or Petry...that could be interesting...

Dream situation (lol): Petry + Granlund + 3rd for Gibson?

ANA can turn Petry and Granlund into picks somewhere through the season...

Unless it's a really sweet deal for PIT, like Gibson for a 7th rounder, don't take on that contract! Otherwise, anything else ANA needs to be taking on 50% of that monster...lots of risk for PIT, but could pan out as Gibson still has gas in the tank imo...ANA just is a demoralizing place to play...either way no trading of lots of capital for him!

If PIT can get ANA to take on Granlund and/or Petry...that could be interesting...

Dream situation (lol): Petry + Granlund + 3rd for Gibson?

ANA can turn Petry and Granlund into picks somewhere through the season...
- mventres

Honestly I'd waste that 1st rounder to dump salary. Even if your Petry/Grandlund thing would hash out I still think Ana needs to retain some Gibson salary. It's just too much and too long.

Honestly I'd waste that 1st rounder to dump salary. Even if your Petry/Grandlund thing would hash out I still think Ana needs to retain some Gibson salary. It's just too much and too long.
- greenyone

You would give away the 14th overall pick to dump salary? Great asset management!

Honestly I'd waste that 1st rounder to dump salary. Even if your Petry/Grandlund thing would hash out I still think Ana needs to retain some Gibson salary. It's just too much and too long.
- greenyone

I wouldn't deal that #14 to just dump salary. Maybe drop back into the first and shed some salary...but to just send it out, nah - the guys available around #14 look really solid.

ANA wouldn't retain salary on that deal, imo. They would be taking on about $11.5 and dumping $6.4, so PIT would technically clear about $5M that they can use elsewhere. I think for ANA to take on, say 50%, PIT would have to include Pickering instead of the 3rd. I highly doubt PIT would use the #14 to land Gibson unless they are getting a couple of ANA 2nd rounders in return as well (one of them being #33).

You would give away the 14th overall pick to dump salary? Great asset management!
- stevens87

A 14th pick gets you maybe a valuable player a 2-3 years down the road... and does nothing for them in the present. So yeah, waste another 3 years of the core slugging through mediocrity in the hopes that a 14th pick in the 1st round does something for them after a couple years in the minors when the present core is on the precipice of retirement.

A 14th pick gets you maybe a valuable player a 2-3 years down the road... and does nothing for them in the present. So yeah, waste another 3 years of the core slugging through mediocrity in the hopes that a 14th pick in the 1st round does something for them after a couple years in the minors when the present core is on the precipice of retirement.
- greenyone

Ok, I understand! You are one of those delusional Pens' fans who think this old core team, who hasn't won a playoff round in 5 years can still complete and win. Got it.

Ok, I understand! You are one of those delusional Pens' fans who think this old core team, who hasn't won a playoff round in 5 years can still complete and win. Got it.
- stevens87

I think the PENS still can make a good run in the next couple of years, with the right moves. I wouldn't use #14 to shed salary - as there aren't any amazing FAs to use the cap space on. It would be better to use that in a deal to acquire an impact player...

Ok, I understand! You are one of those delusional Pens' fans who think this old core team, who hasn't won a playoff round in 5 years can still complete and win. Got it.
- stevens87

I'm not even a fan. But from a business perspective they have to try and be competitive as long as Crosby, Malkin and Letang are on the roster....and keeping a 14th pick in the 1st round won't do jack squat at the ticket counter. Just keeping it real.

I think the PENS still can make a good run in the next couple of years, with the right moves. I wouldn't use #14 to shed salary - as there aren't any amazing FAs to use the cap space on. It would be better to use that in a deal to acquire an impact player...
- mventres

After what has happened the last five years, why should we believe that?

After what has happened the last five years, why should we believe that?
- stevens87

It's not like they will be trading out the core, and so you sort of have no choice but to give them a realistic shot...the core guys aren't playing poorly though, it's the rest of the team that needs the tweaking...

It's not like they will be trading out the core, and so you sort of have no choice but to give them a realistic shot...the core guys aren't playing poorly though, it's the rest of the team that needs the tweaking...
- mventres

100% Dubas has to try and be competitive. He has no choice. Trade that 14th away.

100% Dubas has to try and be competitive. He has no choice. Trade that 14th away.
- greenyone

Only if you get good use out of it. Trading it for cap space, just to spend money on non-impact players isn't useful. If they can get an impact player, then sure. Still have to be smart (e.g., trading #14 for Gibson just because he's a goalie, is not wise)! lol

Only if you get good use out of it. Trading it for cap space, just to spend money on non-impact players isn't useful. If they can get an impact player, then sure. Still have to be smart (e.g., trading #14 for Gibson just because he's a goalie, is not wise)! lol
- mventres

I look at it more from the perspective of using it to get a decent goalie and gain some cap space to enhance the core group.

I look at it more from the perspective of using it to get a decent goalie and gain some cap space to enhance the core group.
- greenyone

Agree - although #14 is quite valuable and Gibson will be hard for ANA to trade given the contract, age, recent play, etc. Even with retained salary I doubt #14 will be needed to get him as a result. Also, adding Petry or Granlund from the PIT end is sort of on the same footing as Gibson: ageing under-performing players at not good cap hit with at least 2 years term. So, I could see change of scenery deals as well except Gibson's contract is worse, so ANA has to sweeten that deal...

Posted it earlier -

Gibson & Comtois picks 58 & 59 this yr for Jake & Granlund & Petersson

If Ducks had to take a little salary back so be it -

Posted it earlier -

Gibson & Comtois picks 58 & 59 this yr for Jake & Granlund & Petersson

If Ducks had to take a little salary back so be it -
- dozerD10

Jake who? Guenzel? LOL ZERO CHANCE.

Granlund + Carter (pending approval) for Gibson with no retention.

For Anaheim, no one is taking on that contract for Gibson without retention. This way they're out of it in two years at about half the total salary and clear a spot for one of their many young goalies, who they should be giving experience for the rebuild anyway.

For the Pens, they get a veteran backup with past playoff success who is always healthy, and may be motivated for the first time in years. Pens net $1.725M in cap space this year and get rid of two problem players/contracts (and clear up two roster spots). Years 3 and 4 of Gibson's contract likely don't matter for the Pens (but can buy him out if they want).

Jake who? Guenzel? LOL ZERO CHANCE.
- mventres

If Guenzel wants North of 8mil like the reports suggest he's probably a goner. But I'd imagine the smart move would be to do that at the trade deadline, especially if they don't look like a playoff team.

A 14th pick gets you maybe a valuable player a 2-3 years down the road... and does nothing for them in the present. So yeah, waste another 3 years of the core slugging through mediocrity in the hopes that a 14th pick in the 1st round does something for them after a couple years in the minors when the present core is on the precipice of retirement.
- greenyone

Yes, but we could also buy out Granlund and have an extra $4M in cap space vs the $5M if we trade him with a first. And there is no guarantee we get great value for someone with that $5M.

100% Dubas has to try and be competitive. He has no choice. Trade that 14th away.
- greenyone

He has a 7 year contract. He is going to go at things with a long term perspective. Not saying he won't trade the pick but there is a 0% chance he trades it just to dump Granlund.

I know Granlund sucked and his contract is bad, but I wouldn't be completely surprised at all to see him still on the roster to start the year.

I could see him bouncing back a bit and being a decent 3rd liner. Still prefer to move him but last offseason half of the people on here wanted to salary dump Zucker. He won't turn it around that well but I do hope we find a way to move on.

If Guenzel wants North of 8mil like the reports suggest he's probably a goner. But I'd imagine the smart move would be to do that at the trade deadline, especially if they don't look like a playoff team.
- greenyone

I think he is worth the $8M as much as guys like Timo Meyer are getting it. I do think it's entirely possibly he is traded though.

Guentzel, Granlund and #15 for Miller, Beauvillier and the #10.

Guentzel & Granlund for Benn, Stankhoven and their 2nd rounder this year.

Guentzel & Poulin for Villardi, Arvidsson & Turcotte.

Guentzel & Granlund for Gibson, Comtois and #33 OA.

Guentzel & Granlund for Gibson, Henrique & Comtois.

Could keep going, ots of options but Rust is the guy with some value that I'd rather trade.

I think he is worth the $8M as much as guys like Timo Meyer are getting it. I do think it's entirely possibly he is traded though.

Guentzel, Granlund and #15 for Miller, Beauvillier and the #10.

Guentzel & Granlund for Benn, Stankhoven and their 2nd rounder this year.

Guentzel & Poulin for Villardi, Arvidsson & Turcotte.

Guentzel & Granlund for Gibson, Comtois and #33 OA.

Guentzel & Granlund for Gibson, Henrique & Comtois.

Could keep going, ots of options but Rust is the guy with some value that I'd rather trade.
- MacPatty

I would do either one - but prefer the bolded.

On the 2nd one we could even keep 20% on Gibson and 15 % Rico as he has only one yr left.

Either trade could even be expanded with more picks to help down the line .. .Yes I know for Pens it's a now game.

Honestly I don't think Jake Guentzel fits into the Ducks salary structure. But if Pittsburgh wants Gibson and Gibson wants too go I don't think Anaheim can say no. Pittsburgh has plenty of contracts to trade. Probably means Tristan Jerry gets traded too. So it's kind of weird that the Penguins would do that. Still maybe this works:

Tristin Jerry, Marcus Pettersson
For
John Gibson, 1 million salary retention, Maxim Comtois

Kind of a sideways move for both teams with the Penguins saving more cap space. Ducks could probably take another bad contract too as long as it's not more than 2 years.

If Guenzel wants North of 8mil like the reports suggest he's probably a goner. But I'd imagine the smart move would be to do that at the trade deadline, especially if they don't look like a playoff team.
- greenyone

Guentzel is arguably their 2nd best player, or at least in the discussion. He's only like 28, and ppg guy, etc. $8M for him when the PENS have no cap issues is a no brainer. Especially over the next 2-4 years in "win now mode". He goes nowhere.