Mike Augello: Will Cap Constraints Necessitate Money-In/Money-Out?, Leafs vs. Rangers

6-0 Leafs; Matthews (3), Nylander (3).

Mike Augello: Will Cap Constraints Necessitate Money-In/Money-Out?, Leafs vs. Islanders
- mikeinbuffalo

They have the $ for a big move. Do they have the nerve? C’mon Kyle. I dare ya!

in that case wouldnt you just do the QO and then trade him?
or can you do that?
- senstroll

if he accept his qualifying offer, he stuck with you for a year minimum

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Never mind 🤬

If we trade for a top 6 FW, I hope it’s someone with term remaining
(Konecny Anderson Jenner etc)

Bottom 6- Motte👍

Does anyone REALLY know what the available Cap amount is???

How can they $1.1 available with 3 guys, including Muzzin, on LTIR?

Thought they had $5.6 with Muzz out and $1.1 while waiting for him to be fully out for a total of $6.7m to use at the deadline.

And, that would be without trading a Kerfoot, Engvall or Holl. It that happened the Leafs could have and additional $7.75m (for all 3) to add to the $6.7m= $14.4m at the very top with those 3 gone and Muzzin on LTIR.

I just haven't heard a clear run down and seems like something is off or different every time.

🥉

Never mind 🤬

If we trade for a top 6 FW, I hope it’s someone with term remaining
(Konecny Anderson Jenner etc)

Bottom 6- Motte👍
- mr.sir

Bunting, Matthews, Marner
Jenner, Tavares, Nylander
Motte, Kampf, Jarnkrok
McMann, Holmberg, ZAR


Not bad at all. (still want to bring Domi home but Jenner's cool too )

Does anyone REALLY know what the available Cap amount is???

How can they $1.1 available with 3 guys, including Muzzin, on LTIR?

Thought they had $5.6 with Muzz out and $1.1 while waiting for him to be fully out for a total of $6.7m to use at the deadline.

And, that would be without trading a Kerfoot, Engvall or Holl. It that happened the Leafs could have and additional $7.75m (for all 3) to add to the $6.7m= $14.4m at the very top with those 3 gone and Muzzin on LTIR.

I just haven't heard a clear run down and seems like something is off or different every time.

- underhill14

The short answer is that they have about 1.9M in real (not pro-rated) contract space. They are carrying 23 bodies so that could go higher if they dropped a body or two (eg. Simmonds).

They can make a modest add or two if they wanted without deletion. If they need room to add a guy making 5+ then it probably means a guy like Kerfoot goes the other way.

The short answer is that they have about 1.9M in real (not pro-rated) contract space. They are carrying 23 bodies so that could go higher if they dropped a body or two (eg. Simmonds).

They can make a modest add or two if they wanted without deletion. If they need room to add a guy making 5+ then it probably means a guy like Engvall and Holl goes the other way.
- The Law

Thanks for dummying it down for me Law

(fixed too )

Also don't they have to be within a certain threshold of being near the cap for the LTIR to kick in?

Also don't they have to be within a certain threshold of being near the cap for the LTIR to kick in?
- Tee-Dot

That work is already done

Its why ZAR had such a specific contract.

The Leafs year over year Cap dilemma is nauseating. Time to start thinking out of the box and start truly trying to build a long term contender. Do you think they can keep Nylander at $9.5M long term, once his contract expires? Do you think Matthews isn't going for the $14M+ contract, once Pasternak gets his payday, after what McKinnon received? I'm going to get blowback here, but this is what needs to happen, if the Leafs go out in the first round again, this year:

Start the auction on Matthews, if he decides to go to the max. Take the assets and the draft picks, like the haul that Colorado received from the Lindros trade, while in Quebec City. Build up your farm system, keep the rest of your assets and trade for a good number 2 centre behind Tavares, Start peeling back on players like Rielly and get a good return and stop drafting midgets to the roster. If Matthews is a real team player, then he should give back a hometown discount and sign for around $12M long term. Bock at that, then send him to auction. Same goes for Marner and Nylander. You can't win if your top players are maxing out contracts. Boston does well because their players get paid well, but not max contracts, leaving room to pick up secondary players that keep them near the top. Time for the brat pack of Leafs wannabee playoff contenders to suck it up, or go elsewhere.

As a Leafs fan, who saw them win a Cup, when I was 9 years old, I'm now a senior citizen. 56 years without even an appearance in the finals is a disgrace and it's time that something was done about it. Flame on Weafers........

I think Knies only gets on the table if its a guy with term coming back. And given the Leafs Cap sitch it'd have to be affordable term. Konecny, Chychrun/Crouse, or guys like that - but don't see it happening.

I think we end up landing on a first rounder + for a rental. RoR maybe or Bertuzzi ..or someone like that?

I think Knies only gets on the table if its a guy with term coming back. And given the Leafs Cap sitch it'd have to be affordable term. Konecny, Chychrun/Crouse, or guys like that - but don't see it happening.

I think we end up landing on a first rounder + for a rental. RoR maybe or Bertuzzi ..or someone like that?
- The Law

I think if the goal is win a round and not pay much, then I agree.

Also don't they have to be within a certain threshold of being near the cap for the LTIR to kick in?
- Tee-Dot

A bunch of teams landed within an expensive dinner of the Cap on day 1 with players in LTIR. Leafs were one of them.

Essentially means they can spend up to 82.5 plus the value of the LTIR $$ (but that includes the LTIR $$).

If on TDD the Leafs have just Muzzin on LTIR they can be carrying salary of 82.5+5.625 ...so 88.125. But Muzzin's $$ is included when counting.

If they're looking to add a forward they'll have a minimum ~ 2.7M but could, in theory make that ~4M by moving Engvall out or 5.5M by moving Kerfoot out.

Just just for example if they wanted to add Patty Kane and his 10.5 they'd need Chi to eat 50% (5.25) and then include Kerfoot in the deal to create enough space.

If they wanted to add Bertuzzi and his 4.75 they'd either include Kerfoot in the deal to make space or get Detroit to eat 50% and just waive a guy like Simmonds or Anderson.

The Cap won't be much of a limiter for them.

The Leafs year over year Cap dilemma is nauseating. Time to start thinking out of the box and start truly trying to build a long term contender. Do you think they can keep Nylander at $9.5M long term, once his contract expires? Do you think Matthews isn't going for the $14M+ contract, once Pasternak gets his payday, after what McKinnon received? I'm going to get blowback here, but this is what needs to happen, if the Leafs go out in the first round again, this year:

Start the auction on Matthews, if he decides to go to the max. Take the assets and the draft picks, like the haul that Colorado received from the Lindros trade, while in Quebec City. Build up your farm system, keep the rest of your assets and trade for a good number 2 centre behind Tavares, Start peeling back on players like Rielly and get a good return and stop drafting midgets to the roster. If Matthews is a real team player, then he should give back a hometown discount and sign for around $12M long term. Bock at that, then send him to auction. Same goes for Marner and Nylander. You can't win if your top players are maxing out contracts. Boston does well because their players get paid well, but not max contracts, leaving room to pick up secondary players that keep them near the top. Time for the brat pack of Leafs wannabee playoff contenders to suck it up, or go elsewhere.

As a Leafs fan, who saw them win a Cup, when I was 9 years old, I'm now a senior citizen. 56 years without even an appearance in the finals is a disgrace and it's time that something was done about it. Flame on Weafers........
- PrinceLH

Cap could go up by 3- 4m next year and the same or more the year after that.
Jt renews for 2.5m in a few years
Problem solved

Cap could go up by 3- 4m next year and the same or more the year after that.
Problem solved
- Fakepartofme

That post sounds a lot like people in the thread AW dug up from when Nylander signed.

And why don’t they deliver milk door to door anymore? And the music these kids listen to is disgusting. Jungle music is what it is.

When I was a kid, it was an honour to wear the Leaf uniform. If Mr. Ballard told you what you salary was, you said thank you sir and worked your ass off.

And don’t get me started on immigration.
- Canada Cup

I once met Harold Ballard in the early 1980's. He was an ignoramus and his boorish behaviour was disgusting. I was at Maple Leaf Gardens, in 1971, the night that Stafford Smythe died. That was the beginning of the Ballard era. Little did I know, or understand what the future would be. I sat in the stands, and watched the Sittler/McDonald/Salming era. Ballard made life difficult for the Leafs management to make proper moves and that team fell apart by the end of the 70's. The 80's was almost a write-off with a hand-full of playoff appearances. Those Leafs teams were sub .500 for the most part. Sure, they won playoff rounds, but playing in the Western Conference was a drag. Ballard received more revenue from the league for being in the Western Conference. Who cares if you had to stay up until 1am to see a road game, during the regular season. It was a joke and not a fun one. Only through his death, did the Leafs finally become competitive again. Thank God for Steve Stavros. If you have nothing good to say about the dead, then best say nothing. I say nothing, when it comes to the Life and Times of Harold Ballard.

this buble strawberry sparling water make think I should be having a strawberry daiquiri

The Leafs year over year Cap dilemma is nauseating. Time to start thinking out of the box and start truly trying to build a long term contender. Do you think they can keep Nylander at $9.5M long term, once his contract expires? Do you think Matthews isn't going for the $14M+ contract, once Pasternak gets his payday, after what McKinnon received? I'm going to get blowback here, but this is what needs to happen, if the Leafs go out in the first round again, this year:

Start the auction on Matthews, if he decides to go to the max. Take the assets and the draft picks, like the haul that Colorado received from the Lindros trade, while in Quebec City. Build up your farm system, keep the rest of your assets and trade for a good number 2 centre behind Tavares, Start peeling back on players like Rielly and get a good return and stop drafting midgets to the roster. If Matthews is a real team player, then he should give back a hometown discount and sign for around $12M long term. Bock at that, then send him to auction. Same goes for Marner and Nylander. You can't win if your top players are maxing out contracts. Boston does well because their players get paid well, but not max contracts, leaving room to pick up secondary players that keep them near the top. Time for the brat pack of Leafs wannabee playoff contenders to suck it up, or go elsewhere.

As a Leafs fan, who saw them win a Cup, when I was 9 years old, I'm now a senior citizen. 56 years without even an appearance in the finals is a disgrace and it's time that something was done about it. Flame on Weafers........
- PrinceLH

I like how a top team in the league for a number of years now isn't considered a long term contender. They've been a contender for a number of years. Because they fail and under perform in the playoffs, doesn't make them not a contender in my opinion and definition.

I'd go a step further and instead of worrying about "long term" how about they win something. I'd trade a cup for 10 years of poop. Give me Carolina's history in the past 20 years.

I think if the goal is win a round and not pay much, then I agree.
- Canada Cup

Well we all know it's not. So you're finally ready to put Knies on the table?

For reference some US reports say Devils have Holtz, a first, plus on the table and that they'll get to negotiate a long term extension with Meier. Holtz = Knies.

The price is high for him! ...and probably for Horvat too. Big pieces and extensions.

Who do we like in the pure rental market? Kane, RoR, Bertuzzi, ...

🥉

Never mind 🤬

If we trade for a top 6 FW, I hope it’s someone with term remaining
(Konecny Anderson Jenner etc)

Bottom 6- Motte👍
- mr.sir

Ugh anderson, pass
Konecny for sure, to right a wrong but he will cost alot.
Jenner - meh, if hes real cheap.

Ugh anderson, pass
Konecny for sure, to right a wrong but he will cost alot.
Jenner - meh, if hes real cheap.
- Fakepartofme

Konecny = Travis Dermott....brain power back then, making that move to pick up that extra 3rd round pick.

I like how a top team in the league for a number of years now isn't considered a long term contender. They've been a contender for a number of years. Because they fail and under perform in the playoffs, doesn't make them not a contender in my opinion and definition.

I'd go a step further and instead of worrying about "long term" how about they win something. I'd trade a cup for 10 years of poop. Give me Carolina's history in the past 20 years.
- Aaron_85

The Chemistry doesn't work. Need some sandpaper and playoff tenacity. I see very little of it here. But let's keep Simmonds around to eat cap space. He does little else on this roster.