Theo Fox: Capital Eyes Thoughts on the Marc-Andre Fleury trade rumor involving the Capitals and on a former 1st round reclamation project possibly hitting the market.

Games tonight: Blackhawks vs Red Wings + IceHogs vs Wild.

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I don't see how the Hawks can acquire an asset from the 3rd team (the middle man) in a Fleury trade. Why would that team give something up for retaining 1.75M salary? Going back to the Lehner trade as an example, Toronto was the middleman, and they received a lower round pick from Vegas for picking up some salary. Toronto didn't trade anything to Chicago or Vegas.

The Hawks still have Andrew Shaw's contract that they may be able to use in some way, shape or form.

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I don't see how the Hawks can acquire an asset from the 3rd team (the middle man) in a Fleury trade. Why would that team give something up for retaining 1.75M salary? Going back to the Lehner trade as an example, Toronto was the middleman, and they received a lower round pick from Vegas for picking up some salary. Toronto didn't trade anything to Chicago or Vegas.
- boilermaker100

To me, it's not like the Blackhawks do not have expendable assets to send to a third team....

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I don't see how the Hawks can acquire an asset from the 3rd team (the middle man) in a Fleury trade. Why would that team give something up for retaining 1.75M salary? Going back to the Lehner trade as an example, Toronto was the middleman, and they received a lower round pick from Vegas for picking up some salary. Toronto didn't trade anything to Chicago or Vegas.
- boilermaker100

How bad does Washington want him? JD needs to force them (Caps) to find a 3rd team that will be willing to make the trade happen. JD should not give in to anything. All JD needs to do is find another team or teams interested in MAF and he did his job. It's time to start taking advantage of other teams with cap issues.

The Hawks still have Andrew Shaw's contract that they may be able to use in some way, shape or form.
- Rota's Rooter

Exactly! The Hawks can retain 50% of Fleury’s contract plus include Shaw’s contract and the Caps gain $400,000 in cap space.

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I don't see how the Hawks can acquire an asset from the 3rd team (the middle man) in a Fleury trade. Why would that team give something up for retaining 1.75M salary? Going back to the Lehner trade as an example, Toronto was the middleman, and they received a lower round pick from Vegas for picking up some salary. Toronto didn't trade anything to Chicago or Vegas.
- boilermaker100

The ideal return for Fleury - one of the Caps two young goalies, preferably Samsonov. Although seeing a Samsonov Hawks jersey would bring back nightmares of Sergei Samsonov.

Realistic return - Kempny and a 4th.

The ideal return for Fleury - one of the Caps two young goalies, preferably Samsonov. Although seeing a Samsonov Hawks jersey would bring back nightmares of Sergei Samsonov.

Realistic return - Kempny and a 4th.
- DarthKane

One last shift! And skip the 4th and demand TVR.

Debrincat Strome Kane
Hagel Toews Borgstrum
Kurashev Dach Kubalik
Carpenter Lafferty Connolly

DeHaan S. Jones
Murphy McCabe
Gus Kalynuk

Fleury

I wonder if any of our D would make sense for Zadina. between, Mitchel, beudin, Galvas, wyatt kalynuk, and to a lesser extent regula and kaiser Nolan we have a bit of a log jam.

How bad does Washington want him? JD needs to force them (Caps) to find a 3rd team that will be willing to make the trade happen. JD should not give in to anything. All JD needs to do is find another team or teams interested in MAF and he did his job. It's time to start taking advantage of other teams with cap issues.

Powerenforcer

Isn't that what the Hawks did to get Fleury in the first place?

I wonder if any of our D would make sense for Zadina. between, Mitchel, beudin, Galvas, wyatt kalynuk, and to a lesser extent regula and kaiser Nolan we have a bit of a log jam.
- kmw4631

We do but I wouldn't give up much if anything for Zadina. Haven't seen a ton of Wing games but the ones I have he's been pretty invisible.

Over in Denver, a lot of Avs fans want them to make the move for MAF.

I dunno what you give up for Zadina. Caleb Jones straight up? He could be a guy that would benefit from hanging out with Debrincat or Kane and that skills coach (assuming they are both around).

Speaking of the Avs. I thought the Colorado game the other night was pretty good. Especially with Toews showing some signs of life again. Maybe he's working himself back into fitness. Anyway - they just didn't have the horses to get it done.

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I don't see how the Hawks can acquire an asset from the 3rd team (the middle man) in a Fleury trade. Why would that team give something up for retaining 1.75M salary? Going back to the Lehner trade as an example, Toronto was the middleman, and they received a lower round pick from Vegas for picking up some salary. Toronto didn't trade anything to Chicago or Vegas.
- boilermaker100

Chicago would move a player to be named to the 3rd team and the "worth their while" would come from Washington. Essentially, the Caps would have to pay two teams off.

Over in Denver, a lot of Avs fans want them to make the move for MAF.

I dunno what you give up for Zadina. Caleb Jones straight up? He could be a guy that would benefit from hanging out with Debrincat or Kane and that skills coach (assuming they are both around).

Speaking of the Avs. I thought the Colorado game the other night was pretty good. Especially with Toews showing some signs of life again. Maybe he's working himself back into fitness. Anyway - they just didn't have the horses to get it done.
- fattybeef

Agree, except for the last home game against Minnesota, at least the Hawks look like they belong in the NHL. Whether that is enough for King to keep his job or not, is a matter for KD or whoever replaces him. I wouldn't mind them keeping King, not like they are going to be contenders next year anyway.

Agree, except for the last home game against Minnesota, at least the Hawks look like they belong in the NHL. Whether that is enough for King to keep his job or not, is a matter for KD or whoever replaces him. I wouldn't mind them keeping King, not like they are going to be contenders next year anyway.
- LAHawk

I prefer how his defense looks compared to JCs for sure, was part of it as simple as skate to your spot in the dzone and start from there and maintain inside positioning

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I don't see how the Hawks can acquire an asset from the 3rd team (the middle man) in a Fleury trade. Why would that team give something up for retaining 1.75M salary? Going back to the Lehner trade as an example, Toronto was the middleman, and they received a lower round pick from Vegas for picking up some salary. Toronto didn't trade anything to Chicago or Vegas.
- boilermaker100

Yep, the team taking on some of the cap hit would need to get paid for doing so. The question is whether the Hawks or Caps would pay the freight. The Hawks could send a draft pick to team 3, and that would tend to increase the price the Caps would pay because they'd be getting a more valuable asset (Flower at 25% of his cap hit).

I prefer how his defense looks compared to JCs for sure, was part of it as simple as skate to your spot in the dzone and start from there and maintain inside positioning
- BetweenTheDots

Maybe they should trade a boatload of talent for a defenseman who is on pace to be a -77 this year!

I'd love to be here reading you in-game posts!

Dammit Patrik Allvin is off the list

If he was coaching, what would Scotty Bowman do if he couldn't send the kid to the minors for seasoning? Probably slot him on a wing beside his most experienced and successful center and for the rest of the season ask that line to play effectively in all 3 zones and not worry much about offensive production. By doing that the kid would have 2 coaches - 1 on the ice with him and 1 behind the bench. Patiently point out the mistakes he makes and continually correct them.

Dach isn't going to be the 2nd coming of Mario Lemieux, despite the fanboy expectations. Its probably too early to tell if he will ever even be an effective #1 or #2 centerman on a very good NHL team.

But based on his physical toolbox, at the very least a good coaching staff likely could develop him into a Bob Gainey/Don Marcotte/Bill Guerin/John Tonelli type player. Very valuable to have - those type of guys do a lot of dirty work along the walls, on the PK and away from the puck. Teams win with those type of guys, they are road graders with some skill and open up ice for the real offensive guys (and as importantly cover their butts because they won't/can't play defence).

Top end coaches like Rod Brindamour, Mike Sullivan, John Cooper, Bruce Cassidy would be salivating if they got their hands on a kid like Dach. Those guys coach winning veteran teams and wouldn't feel it necessary to throw him into the deep end of the pool immediately. Rebuild his game based on the role they think best suits what he does best and helps their team the most. In Chicago he just floundering like a pro golfer who has lost his game, doesn't understand why and has nobody to help him out of it.

RickJ

This is a post from yesterday where Rick weighed in on options there are to develop Dach's game, get him going....... One helluva post, Rick. Its beauty is its simplicity and after reading I have a much better hockey mind.

Chicago would move a player to be named to the 3rd team and the "worth their while" would come from Washington. Essentially, the Caps would have to pay two teams off.
- fattybeef

If it is Washington, I hope they get Lapiere back as compensation, as he was who I hoped the Hawks drafted, but they took Reichel instead. Only problem with Laoiere is he seems to be injury prone. Whatever else has to happen to make the dollars work is okay by me.

If it is Washington, I hope they get Lapiere back as compensation, as he was who I hoped the Hawks drafted, but they took Reichel instead. Only problem with Laoiere is he seems to be injury prone. Whatever else has to happen to make the dollars work is okay by me.
- LAHawk

Any trade involving MAF needs to recoup a 1st round pick in the 2022 draft, or it’s pointless.

Any trade involving MAF needs to recoup a 1st round pick in the 2022 draft, or it’s pointless.
- Ogilthorpe2

As much as I'd like one in this year's draft, what about taking someone's '23 pick if it's an option?

Just what I read but sounds like '23 will have more talent after the first few picks than this year's draft.

Any trade involving MAF needs to recoup a 1st round pick in the 2022 draft, or it’s pointless.
- Ogilthorpe2

He is a 2020 #1 draft choice, same age that Reichel is. Washiogton traded up to #22 to grab him. Lapiere probably would of gone much higher if he wasn't injured his draft year. What # does Washington draft this year? Probably higher than 22nd. So instead of a #1 this year, it would be like we got 2 #1's in 2020. I would do it.

Anyone read the Lazerus fluff piece on deHaan in the Athletic today?

https://theathletic.com/3...wks-but-open-to-anything/

Look, I am clearly not a deHaan fan and maybe have blinders on when it comes to his play. It seems lately that the broadcasters and now Lazerus are really pumping the tires on how good he has been playing. I'm just not seeing it. Anyone else think the Hawks can get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for deHaan? If they can, take it immediately and run like you stole it.