Bill Meltzer: Musings and Quick Hits: Flyers-Pens Redux, Line Observations, Warriors

Wasn't able to watch the game but when I got home I texted my dad for a brief summary which roughly aligns with your thoughts, Bill. "Without Hart they would've been down by 4 or 5. Not good."

watching last night....almost makes me wish we brought carter back to finish his career with us.

pens always give them a hard time....like NJ. Just frustrating. IMO that should've been a win just due to the depleted line up.

the new pp model seems like they are trying to replicate Boston.

Bill pretty much echoed everything I've been saying.

Also...last night Sanhiem was our worst defenseman.

Also...last night Sanhiem was our worst defenseman.
- Peter Richards

By far. He was awful.

Nate Thompson always competes hard is code for Nate aint very good.

When the player himself says he is more a winger these days and yet continues to be played as a center is on the coaches and management. Frost has been producing of late. It is time to see what he can do. We know what Brassard offers.

Cant count on Ellis so also time to call up a dman.

watching last night....almost makes me wish we brought carter back to finish his career with us.

pens always give them a hard time....like NJ. Just frustrating. IMO that should've been a win just due to the depleted line up.

the new pp model seems like they are trying to replicate Boston.
- Peter Richards

why would he want to come here over the pens?

closer to his house in jersey?

Bill,
This was a brave column. You got up at 5:00 a.m. to do the work, then you called out a lot of the team despite the fact that you essentially work with them.
Awesome. That's why I read you everyday.

Nate Thompson always competes hard is code for Nate aint very good.

When the player himself says he is more a winger these days and yet continues to be played as a center is on the coaches and management. Frost has been producing of late. It is time to see what he can do. We know what Brassard offers.

Cant count on Ellis so also time to call up a dman.
- hello it's me 2050

lines need to be adjusted. same with g...he can't play center all year, but would put him there for a few until hayes is healthy. or put him on scott's wing. lines need to be shuffled.

i get call another d man up....but who. York? just for his sake not sure if i would want him out there if they are floundering.

wonder if nate is helping develop bunnaman.

Tony D and/or erik gudbranson or RR and/or Yandle. Add in the cost to acquire RR. Damn.

Good analysis Bill. The Flyers have been lucky to still be able to claim some points with substandard play. I’m hoping the return of Ellis and Hayes gives the lineup the boost it needs. It’s a long season.

The Flyers did not seem to care and the game was almost boring to watch. Hart saved the day several times, but that was as ugly a performance against Pittsburgh that I have seen a long time. AV must have had his martini early.....

Bill,
This was a brave column. You got up at 5:00 a.m. to do the work, then you called out a lot of the team despite the fact that you essentially work with them.
Awesome. That's why I read you everyday.
- therabbi

no, no, no, Bill is clearly a corporate shill*

*according to some know-nothings here

no, no, no, Bill is clearly a corporate shill*

*according to some know-nothings here
- Scoob

yaacsfc

Good analysis Bill. The Flyers have been lucky to still be able to claim some points with substandard play. I’m hoping the return of Ellis and Hayes gives the lineup the boost it needs. It’s a long season.
- Djapana

yes. also would rather have the hiccups now as opposed to later in the season. But here i am...living in Pens territory. so much fun

With new veterans & the turnover the team went through in the summer maybe it’s time for the Giroux apologists to see the truth? The guy puts up points but stinks as a leader thus the reason why this team looks mostly the same (uninspired) for a majority of games this year. Jake can no longer be blamed so whose the scapegoat now for the last decade of mediocrity. Morgan Frost? Nate Thompson? The same popcorn vendor that has been employed for G’s captain tenure? The problem has always started atvthe top w him yet people are blinded by his stats. Lackadaisical culture created by the C.

Pretty mind boggling if that’s what AV’s comments were. He might have lower expectations for this group than I do!

Pretty mind boggling if that’s what AV’s comments were. He might have lower expectations for this group than I do!
- Just5

I believe that Vigneault sees the same things we do. My personal opinion is that he is just trying to keep the team positive so it doesn't snowball like it did last year. Not sure how effective that is going to be. I think he could find a way to be more truthful of the reality without flat out ripping the team.

With new veterans & the turnover the team went through in the summer maybe it’s time for the Giroux apologists to see the truth? The guy puts up points but stinks as a leader thus the reason why this team looks mostly the same (uninspired) for a majority of games this year. Jake can no longer be blamed so whose the scapegoat now for the last decade of mediocrity. Morgan Frost? Nate Thompson? The same popcorn vendor that has been employed for G’s captain tenure? The problem has always started atvthe top w him yet people are blinded by his stats. Lackadaisical culture created by the C.
- Fopa21

LOL. What more do you want him to do?

LOL. What more do you want him to do?
- MJL

Win a cup.

I believe that Vigneault sees the same things we do. My personal opinion is that he is just trying to keep the team positive so it doesn't snowball like it did last year. Not sure how effective that is going to be. I think he could find a way to be more truthful of the reality without flat out ripping the team.
- MJL

Disagree. he is arrogant and stubborn.

LOL. What more do you want him to do?
- MJL

To not have the team sleep walk through games. Loose to a depleted penguins team which would have been a way worse score if not for hart. To not play a 0 0 game for over half of the game against a winless echl team in the coyotes. To flat out not show up against calgary. Need I continue?

Disagree. he is arrogant and stubborn.
- hello it's me 2050

If av goes I hope the next coach is trots or suter