Sean Maloughney: Training Camp Day 2

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Science is a double edged sword when it comes to the pandemic. I find it interesting that Keith flew to States for the JJ one. Wonder what his reasoning is. One and done or a preference.

Good blog.

Can't complain about the forward lines. Hope some youth makes the jump and surprises. Not thrilled with the defense and Keith being available doesn't change that in the least.

Holland imo really looks stupid so far in his gross over pay for an over the hill leader that doesn't appear to want to show any leadership.

So, Archibald wont get the shot, and he's not in the lineup. This a prelude to him being waived?

Suck it Oilers.

Oh, and your a consistently good blogger Sean. But your name is pronounced “scene”. Which is weird. Like that Seattle blogger. Weirdo.

Science?? The same science that says there are 10 genders

Suck it Oilers.

Oh, and your a consistently good blogger Sean. But your name is pronounced “scene”. Which is weird. Like that Seattle blogger. Weirdo.
- Flamin_Irishmin

I'm pretty sure that guys name is actually pronounced "hack"

Honest question here, so if you’re just going to rant about the evils of the vaccine… I don’t care, so keep that poop to yourself. My question is re: Archibald, doesn’t that become a breach of contract if he’s willingly putting himself in a position where he’ll be unable (due to border regulations) to play a significant amount of games? The way I interpret that is either he doesn’t get cent one, and good luck reviving your career, or get the vaccine and thank God you get to play in the NHL. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I’m sure there are people out there who actually know. I’m really curious.

You can't just make a statement that he's "going against science"... there is evidence of covid being very dangerous to some people, therefore people should get vaccinated...but there is also evidence of some people having very serious health issues with vaccine, so those who doubt it shouldn't be bullied/ostracised or discriminated against and forced to get vaxxed.

Society is going downhill fast.

You can't just make a statement that he's "going against science"... there is evidence of covid being very dangerous to some people, therefore people should get vaccinated...but there is also evidence of some people having very serious health issues with vaccine, so those who doubt it shouldn't be bullied/ostracised or discriminated against and forced to get vaxxed.

Society is going downhill fast.
- JLO961

Primarily the old and the overweight, the latter of which should be central to the discussion if we want to talk about public health concerns.

My biggest question is why natural immunity doesn't seem to be being considered at all. Not saying I know whether Archibald has such, but evidence seems to point to it being more effective than immunity derived from vaccination. Assuming my understanding is correct, natural immunity is also generally thought of as more effective than "artificial" (for lack of a better word) so this would make sense. Of course, I'm sure there's evidence to counter this position (as is often the case in science).

And yes, it very much is.

Primarily the old and the overweight, the latter of which should be central to the discussion if we want to talk about public health concerns.

My biggest question is why natural immunity doesn't seem to be being considered at all. Not saying I know whether Archibald has such, but evidence seems to point to it being more effective than immunity derived from vaccination. Assuming my understanding is correct, natural immunity is also generally thought of as more effective than "artificial" (for lack of a better word) so this would make sense. Of course, I'm sure there's evidence to counter this position (as is often the case in science).

And yes, it very much is.
- MaximumBone

We had natural immunity in the 1800s when life expectancy was 38

Look around and thank science

We had natural immunity in the 1800s when life expectancy was 38

Look around and thank science
- flashfire

Nice way to completely evade the point, but I guess I don't expect people handle this subject with any tact or nuance.

Nothing in my post suggests that I'm suggesting natural immunity is the only correct way out. However, if someone ALREADY has natural immunity because they actually caught and recovered from COVID and (assuming my understanding is correct re: it's effectiveness), then the fact that that isn't even considered is wrongheaded.

As for your life expectancy point, such numbers are heavily skewed by infant mortality. Sure, the average length of a full life was shorter, but it was closer to late-50s to early-60s iirc (been a while). Averages get skewed when a bunch of babies die.

Nice way to completely evade the point, but I guess I don't expect people handle this subject with any tact or nuance.

Nothing in my post suggests that I'm suggesting natural immunity is the only correct way out. However, if someone ALREADY has natural immunity because they actually caught and recovered from COVID and (assuming my understanding is correct re: it's effectiveness), then the fact that that isn't even considered is wrongheaded.

As for your life expectancy point, such numbers are heavily skewed by infant mortality. Sure, the average length of a full life was shorter, but it was closer to late-50s to early-60s iirc (been a while). Averages get skewed when a bunch of babies die.
- MaximumBone

Have to get covid and put your health at risk to get antibodies moron. Vaccine gives you immunity instantly. Such a stupid point of view.

We had natural immunity in the 1800s when life expectancy was 38

Look around and thank science

Where to even start with a comment like this? FML and SMH.. Google "rushed science" and get back to me? Actually PLEASE don't. Just learn that definition and save the world from your stupidity and ignorance. Thanks in advance.

Have to get covid and put your health at risk to get antibodies moron. Vaccine gives you immunity instantly. Such a stupid point of view.
- Thunder_daddy

REALLY? I am absolutely for vaccinations. This whatever it is called is not a vaccine. SORRY that you believe it is. Good luck with that?

Have to get covid and put your health at risk to get antibodies moron. Vaccine gives you immunity instantly. Such a stupid point of view.
- Thunder_daddy

Alright, you mental deficient. Since you've decided to toss the pretense of respectful discussion in the same bin as your reading comprehension, I'll play by your terms.

I'll direct you to the part in my comment where I say, and I quote:

"However, if someone ALREADY has natural immunity because they actually caught and recovered from COVID"

As in people who already had and recovered from the damn thing. In simpler terms, if it's true that people whose existing natural immunity after having already had and recovered from COVID is more effective than what the vaccination gives them, why isn't there a path for them to still play hockey/work if they can prove such? In other words, they don't need to catch it and put themselves at risk again and, as such, your comment is entirely irrelevant to the question.

How you can so horribly misunderstand is unfathomable.

REALLY? I am absolutely for vaccinations. This whatever it is called is not a vaccine. SORRY that you believe it is. Good luck with that?
- al3535

Since it's all but certain someone will try to associate my stance with this, let me say in no uncertain terms that my position is entirely separate from this person's.

Since it's all but certain someone will try to associate my stance with this, let me say in no uncertain terms that my position is entirely separate from this person's.
- MaximumBone

Max, you are articulate and elegant in your writing as usual. I'm not even sure why you choose to engage these people but kudos to you. I guess it's a public service of sorts.

I believe that people/govt have tossed aside any critical analysis (or sympathy) with the "vaccine". When I see that all fans can enter a stadium/arena if they are vaccinated, but the unvaxxed patrons need to show proof of a negative test...it's not about covid or health concerns anymore. It is only about the vaccine. Vaxxed people can have and pass on covid, so if it were about covid, EVERYONE entering the building should show proof of negative. In fact, the unvaccinated are the most at risk in this scenario. One could actually argue that vaccinated people need to show a negative test in order to keep the unvaxxed safe. (Sounds ridiculous, but the logic works).

It is not the job of unvaxxed people to keep vaxxed people safe, the vaccine does that! Lol

Moral of the story is do not argue with the woke mob....they'll come for you with torches in the middle of the night.

Max, you are articulate and elegant in your writing as usual. I'm not even sure why you choose to engage these people but kudos to you. I guess it's a public service of sorts.

I believe that people/govt have tossed aside any critical analysis (or sympathy) with the "vaccine". When I see that all fans can enter a stadium/arena if they are vaccinated, but the unvaxxed patrons need to show proof of a negative test...it's not about covid or health concerns anymore. It is only about the vaccine. Vaxxed people can have and pass on covid, so if it were about covid, EVERYONE entering the building should show proof of negative. In fact, the unvaccinated are the most at risk in this scenario. One could actually argue that vaccinated people need to show a negative test in order to keep the unvaxxed safe. (Sounds ridiculous, but the logic works).

It is not the job of unvaxxed people to keep vaxxed people safe, the vaccine does that! Lol

Moral of the story is do not argue with the woke mob....they'll come for you with torches in the middle of the night.
- JLO961

I appreciate the words I've been through a number of ridiculous times on the internet but I've yet to see one animate quite so many people in this manner.

This isn't even the woke mob. Even average everyday people are moralizing to and degrading anyone who hasn't subordinated their own sensemaking to the legacy media and government. It certainly holds some parallels to the "woke mob", but this one seems uniquely possessed.

In pursuit of fairness, their point regarding vaccines is more to protect those who can't get it or those who are so immuno-compromised that, even with the vaccine, they're potentially more at-risk of a breakthrough case. Further, the evidence around the vaccine does seem to support lower viral load and duration of incubation (not sure of terminology) and therefore seems to limit the potential for spread.

But I can see your point regarding the separation; it definitely seems more like a compliance test than any measure to ensure/protect societal health. If it were about health, we'd see the messaging that reflects the reality of there being VASTLY worse outcomes for people with obesity and overweight-related medical conditions. As per a paper published by the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm):


*among other studies to show similar things

Conditions which, I'll remind those not paying attention, have become GROSSLY more common in North America over the past decades and likely have anywhere from 30-50% of the population at-risk (not only of COVID) from that factor alone. And this doesn't even account for the "skinny-fat" portion of the population who aren't properly nourishing and supporting their bodies in the ongoing fight against all manner of illness, disease, and whatnot.

I'll continue pushing back until my time comes.

There is not a rule that players must be vaccinated. Keith was able to do the Captain skates as he had completed his initial quarantine. He was hesitant to get the vaccine and said it was a very tough decision. He went back to the USA to get Johnson and Johnson because it is the only try vaccine. Only needs one shot and no boosters. He has been a captain, a cup winner and a great leader. Anyone that thinks Archibald’s decision is selfish has no clue what they are talking about. He is risking his NHL career because he is so passionately against being forced to put an unproven chemical in his body. I don’t know his exact reason for his stand, but he has that right. It takes a lot stronger and more courageous person to go against the popular train of thought and do something that he knows at best will cost him $500,000.00+ and could potentially cost him his NHL career.

I am happy there is a vaccine for those that want it, bus whole heartedly disagree with vaccine passports and basically being forced to take the vaccine. That being said, in his place, I would do the selfish thing and take a vaccine I didn’t believe in, in order to protect my NHL career

There is not a rule that players must be vaccinated. Keith was able to do the Captain skates as he had completed his initial quarantine. He was hesitant to get the vaccine and said it was a very tough decision. He went back to the USA to get Johnson and Johnson because it is the only try vaccine. Only needs one shot and no boosters. He has been a captain, a cup winner and a great leader. Anyone that thinks Archibald’s decision is selfish has no clue what they are talking about. He is risking his NHL career because he is so passionately against being forced to put an unproven chemical in his body. I don’t know his exact reason for his stand, but he has that right. It takes a lot stronger and more courageous person to go against the popular train of thought and do something that he knows at best will cost him $500,000.00+ and could potentially cost him his NHL career.

I am happy there is a vaccine for those that want it, bus whole heartedly disagree with vaccine passports and basically being forced to take the vaccine. That being said, in his place, I would do the selfish thing and take a vaccine I didn’t believe in, in order to protect my NHL career

There is not a rule that players must be vaccinated. Keith was able to do the Captain skates as he had completed his initial quarantine. He was hesitant to get the vaccine and said it was a very tough decision. He went back to the USA to get Johnson and Johnson because it is the only try vaccine. Only needs one shot and no boosters. He has been a captain, a cup winner and a great leader. Anyone that thinks Archibald’s decision is selfish has no clue what they are talking about. He is risking his NHL career because he is so passionately against being forced to put an unproven chemical in his body. I don’t know his exact reason for his stand, but he has that right. It takes a lot stronger and more courageous person to go against the popular train of thought and do something that he knows at best will cost him $500,000.00+ and could potentially cost him his NHL career.

I am happy there is a vaccine for those that want it, bus whole heartedly disagree with vaccine passports and basically being forced to take the vaccine. That being said, in his place, I would do the selfish thing and take a vaccine I didn’t believe in, in order to protect my NHL career
- Cody_A

Everything you put in your body is a chemical. The COVID Vaccine has been in development for 2 decades or more, this is not an "unproven chemical". Its the variants that cause the need for redevelopment of the vaccine but the bones of the vaccine have been the same for years and years, tried, tested and true. Hes not a strong person, hes a (frank)ing nitwit who plays hockey for a living and cited conspiracy websites as his proof the vaccine is bad. He doesn't have a doctorate in anything related to medical or epidemiology. Hes not courageous, hes just an idiot.

But, its his money to lose, so good on him for making sure his family suffers for his stupidity too. Flush him and replace him.

Now I may be entirely mistaken about this, but I’m of the understanding that while the various vaccines won’t necessarily prevent a person from contracting COVID, they do usually prevent an infected individual from requiring medical assistance.

If so, is the point not necessarily about stopping the spread entirely, but rather lowering the burden on our already overworked and underfunded health care system? IIRC something like 74% of ICU patients in Alberta who are suffering from COVID are unvaccinated, no?

Even if a person getting the vaccine doesn’t receive 100% protection, but significantly reduces the chances of them taking up a hospital bed that a non COVID sufferer also requires, then is it not worth it?

I mean it should obviously be left to an individuals discretion, but just because the vaccine doesn’t completely prevent viral spread doesn’t mean that getting vaccinated is entirely pointless.

Alright, you mental deficient. Since you've decided to toss the pretense of respectful discussion in the same bin as your reading comprehension, I'll play by your terms.

I'll direct you to the part in my comment where I say, and I quote:

"However, if someone ALREADY has natural immunity because they actually caught and recovered from COVID"

As in people who already had and recovered from the damn thing. In simpler terms, if it's true that people whose existing natural immunity after having already had and recovered from COVID is more effective than what the vaccination gives them, why isn't there a path for them to still play hockey/work if they can prove such? In other words, they don't need to catch it and put themselves at risk again and, as such, your comment is entirely irrelevant to the question.

How you can so horribly misunderstand is unfathomable.
- MaximumBone

Look how mad you are that the vaccine worked bro, you're seething. The longer these idiots go unvaccinated the longer this goes on. Look at the stats. Not the stats you've clearly gotten off of Facebook either lololol

Look how you are that the vaccine worked bro, you're seething. The longer these idiots go unvaccinated the longer this goes on. Look at the stats. Not the stats you've clearly gotten off of Facebook either lololol
- Thunder_daddy

Do you really think tossing insults during a debate is going to convince anyone of your opinion? Especially when the person you’re debating began said debate civilly, and you did not?

Look how mad you are that the vaccine worked bro, you're seething. The longer these idiots go unvaccinated the longer this goes on. Look at the stats. Not the stats you've clearly gotten off of Facebook either lololol
- Thunder_daddy

It's not anger you're reading; it's contempt.

Given you can't read words, I doubt you've even looked at stats before. Hope you enjoy living in your sad world where you outsource all semblance of thought to others.