From last night from MJL regarding why Preds traded Ellis”

“I'm trying to figure out why Nashville made the deal. Doesn't appear that they're in rebuild. Not a cap crunch. Why did they trade Ellis. A RH top pairing all situations D man.”

I’m responding:
I read somewhere during the trade deadline when Ellis was hurt (knuckle) that they were interested in moving him. Some media speculated that the depth of the Preds defense and the up coming talent was a factor in them feeling they can move Ellis. Saw some comments saying that he was holding talent back. Much of what we hear on this forum about veterans blocking spots.

I think it is a combination of he is 30 with a long contract that concerns them when they have a young RHD with top pair talent. They utilized their depth to open up more flexibility to add to their forward group.

🙄. Maybe 🤔
- peesinwind

Who is the top pair talent RHD?

whats wrong with meyers, why would we move him. whats wrong with jake, why would we move him, whats wrong with atkison, why would columbus move him

sometimes its just getting different mix of players, and nashville needs a center, hoping glass will turn into something
- bradster

Stating that Nashville needed a center so they made the Ellis trade is laughable. So is saying they traded a top pair RH all situations defenseman to get a different mix of players.

The Canes exploited Ellis’ lack of size in the playoffs. Myers is a bigger, younger replacement for Ellis. Ellis is less effective on the power play than years prior. They compared it to the Weber trade. Move him1-2 years early while his value is relatively high so they don’t get stuck with with him being immovable like they did with Johansson and Duchene.
- Minnyhock

I think Sanheim and Ellis have more to gain from one another by being partners. Sanheim clearly has a size advantage but Ellis is both sound defensively and a really good puck mover. Provorov just needs a competent partner that isn’t a career third pair defenseman.

Let it be known they lost the Weber trade
- ClaudeFather

nope, they won that trade big time

nope, they won that trade big time
- bradster

Oh...

Yandle only signed for so low with the condition of having the NTC to allow him to pick where he would go if CF wanted to trade him at the deadline
- Bayareaflyer

Also means they can't waive him and send down.

Also means they can't waive him and send down.
- jaws1955

That’s not true. Only a NMC prevents waivers or assignment to the minors

Former Flyers captain Jason Smith, now AC on the Phantoms.

Former Flyers captain Jason Smith, now AC on the Phantoms.
- Djapana

Oh no poop! That’s awesome! I love Jason Smith!!

Who is the top pair talent RHD?
- MJL

According to the article I read I think it was DANTE FABBRO #57

nope, they won that trade big time
- bradster

I can't tell, is this a serious post?

Cf should not sign Risto unless he is solid and then I would try a decent insentive laden contract.
I am sure there are cap implications no matter what but I have seen it to easy where players get comfortable and do the bare minimum mentally and physically.
It’s human nature and it’s not easy to overcome home priorities with professional priorities.
The guys that are better at balancing both are more consistent in their game.
Maybe all teams need a team of sports psychologists.
- bird_dog_pa

Ristolainen would not be eligible for an incentive laden contract.

Claude Giroux - Sean Couturier - Travis Konecny
Joel Farabee - Kevin Hayes - Cam Atkinson
James van Riemsdyk - Scott Laughton - Wade Allison
Oskar Lindblom - Nate Thompson - Nicolas Aube-Kubel

Interesting that you are willing to go with accepting Giroux isn't an NHL center (after multiple coaches thought he was), but you stick with Laughton at center after four different NHL coaches concluded he wasn't. And is putting TK back on the top line another reflex (I mean, he keeps sliding down the order) or a plan to make him seem better as trade bait?

Assuming nobody else leaves in a trade:
Claude Giroux - Sean Couturier - Joel Farabee
James van Riemsdyk - Kevin Hayes - Cam Atkinson
Oskar Lindblom -Eventual 3C acquisition or Laczynski- Travis Konecny or Frost
Scott Laughton - Nate Thompson - Nicolas Aube-Kubel or Frost
- hockeyal

There isn't likely to be a 3C acquisition. You are incorrect in stating that 4 different NHL coaches concluded that Laughton can't play center.

Also means they can't waive him and send down.
- jaws1955

You are not correct. A NTC is not the same as a NMC

nope, they won that trade big time
- bradster

According to Cap Friendly 45/50 contracts with just Hart and Sanheim to sign.
- peesinwind

How can that be? We had 37 just a couple of weeks ago! We were going to offer an ELC to a stiff goalie for "depth"! Now we have no room! I wish I had seen that coming (I did).

Ok so Chuckles didn't kill it in the trade market. A+ in free agency tho right?
- PLindbergh31

Yandle is a B+ for me. I know most knuckleheads hated him, but Ghost was an effective transition player. Yands brings some of that, albeit in likely a more limited role. He's still PP capable too.

Jones is a D. At least he was once good, a long time ago.

Nate the Retread is an easy F.

Yandle is a B+ for me. I know most knuckleheads hated him, but Ghost was an effective transition player. Yands brings some of that, albeit in likely a more limited role. He's still PP capable too.

Jones is a D. At least he was once good, a long time ago.

Nate the Retread is an easy F.
- Tomahawk

Didn’t hate ghost but he seemed to lack his flare on the PP, rarely got shots through, no longer had his side to side movement. Yandle is easily a huge upgrade over ghost on the PP.

Yandle is a B+ for me. I know most knuckleheads hated him, but Ghost was an effective transition player. Yands brings some of that, albeit in likely a more limited role. He's still PP capable too.

Jones is a D. At least he was once good, a long time ago.

Nate the Retread is an easy F.
- Tomahawk

Martin Jones I’m not so sure can be blamed for what was playing in front of him or lack of playing in front of him. Jones is the biggest question mark for me.

I like all the defensive transactions but like MJL, I’d prefer York played. This is an older defense now but realistically, our defense will look even more different in one year’s time as Braun and Yandle come off the books.

I still think more should be done with the offense. I think hopes are way too high for Cam Atkinson. I think Voracek is head and shoulders the more impactful player than Atkinson. Love or Hate Patrick, you replaced Patrick for Nate Thompson. Even with a horrid 9 points to his season beats Thompson’s five points and I feel like we took depth away from the center position. I doubt Patrick has the same nightmare season and I don’t wanna watch Thompson play every night regardless of what he offers

Martin Jones I’m not so sure can be blamed for what was playing in front of him or lack of playing in front of him. Jones is the biggest question mark for me.

I like all the defensive transactions but like MJL, I’d prefer York played. This is an older defense now but realistically, our defense will look even more different in one year’s time as Braun and Yandle come off the books.

I still think more should be done with the offense. I think hopes are way too high for Cam Atkinson. I think Voracek is head and shoulders the more impactful player than Atkinson. Love or Hate Patrick, you replaced Patrick for Nate Thompson. Even with a horrid 9 points to his season beats Thompson’s five points and I feel like we took depth away from the center position. I doubt Patrick has the same nightmare season and I don’t wanna watch Thompson play every night regardless of what he offers
- SuperSchennBros

I consider myself an optimist but 3 years of sub .900 save percentage in a row is a tough look. I’d love to see the list of goalies that have bounced back from that, I’d imagine the list is incredibly short or non existent. Hopefully the starter to backup work load does him well.

I consider myself an optimist but 3 years of sub .900 save percentage in a row is a tough look. I’d love to see the list of goalies that have bounced back from that, I’d imagine the list is incredibly short or non existent. Hopefully the starter to backup work load does him well.
- ClaudeFather

He is coming in to a backup role now, so I think the reduced workload may help him out a bit.

He is coming in to a backup role now, so I think the reduced workload may help him out a bit.
- MBFlyerfan

You’d think so right, especially coming from the disaster in San Jose

Flyers and Sanheim file for arbitration

Martin Jones I’m not so sure can be blamed for what was playing in front of him or lack of playing in front of him. Jones is the biggest question mark for me.

I like all the defensive transactions but like MJL, I’d prefer York played. This is an older defense now but realistically, our defense will look even more different in one year’s time as Braun and Yandle come off the books.

I still think more should be done with the offense. I think hopes are way too high for Cam Atkinson. I think Voracek is head and shoulders the more impactful player than Atkinson. Love or Hate Patrick, you replaced Patrick for Nate Thompson. Even with a horrid 9 points to his season beats Thompson’s five points and I feel like we took depth away from the center position. I doubt Patrick has the same nightmare season and I don’t wanna watch Thompson play every night regardless of what he offers
- SuperSchennBros

With Patrick and Thompson it is more about how they are utilized. If it is on the 4th line taking heavy defensive zone draws against big lines and PK duties it’s Thompson all day. Whether you like that or not it seems that AV and Fletcher want that kind of line. Fit more than anything.

Now if it were me I like Patrick because I believe in him. But not in a 4th line role. Not the way they want to use him.

Flyers and Sanheim file for arbitration
- arichardson22

Never seen the team file like that, maybe I just don’t pay attention much