9M plus without a cup

Werenski, Hamilton, Makar, Jones, Josi, Rantanen, Marner, Matthews, Panarinin, Bobrovsky, Karlsson, Skinner, Stone, Tavares, Eichel, McDavid, Price, Benn, Subban

12 players have signed for 9M plus that have won cups.
- manvanfan

Nice list thx

So as a GM pay for results or pay for expectations/regular season stats?

Imo elite C get paid & stud D. Wingers have to be exceptional play drivers or say 40 goals.

1/2 of that that list is over paid imo.

The 19 players I named, haven't won cups but are being paid over 9M AAV this coming year.

Nighthawk said that Kane got 10M because he won cups. If you took Kane's cap percentage from when he was winning cups and applied it to the cap now. Kane would be making a little over 9M a season right now.
- manvanfan

All good but 3 cups & a major reason why.

All good but 3 cups & a major reason why.
- Nighthawk

Kane won 1 cup the year on his ELC.

There's only 4 outliers from your cups get you 9M a season theory and that's Kane, Toews, Malkin, Crosby.

Thanks Carol

That's why you are the bestest, (being just Joe average fan) I would have had no idea of the depth of the farm team. Now I do

MVF made a good point of the value of high cost players. This is where more intersectional points might be helpful. First year players and just traded and signed i.e.. Jones in Chicago; to players like Mariner and the mustache kid, who have a few years to bring the cup.

OLE is going to be good because he's in Vancouver not Phoenix. They gave him $$$ and said figure it out while there. He's going to be set up to succeed here. Unless he pullls a Loui, my prediction is either All Star game, or getting Quinn there.

First time in a while there's something to look forward too.

(I'm a computer guy so here's something that makes me smile.)

Rick Dhaliwal
@DhaliwalSports
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8m
F Jason Richardinson filed for arbitration

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cap issues probably

Rick Dhaliwal
@DhaliwalSports
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8m
F Jason Richardinson filed for arbitration

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cap issues probably
- VANTEL

It’s just regular business. Plenty of room for Dikie, Huggy and Petey with a schmill or two left over. Clearly not enough room for a Hamilton, Landeskog or Eichle, let alone all three…

If EP is looking for $9M per then negotiations will definitely drag on. If him and his agents don’t move off that figure I’d trade his ass. I’d rather be a Vegas styled team than a Leafs styled team.
- bloatedmosquito

He’s only getting 9 on a long deal. But he’s done things that very few players have in his short time as a Canuck. It’s as sure a bet as you could make.

He’s only getting 9 on a long deal. But he’s done things that very few players have in his short time as a Canuck. It’s as sure a bet as you could make.
- 1970vintage

8/9m I’m ok with begrudgingly. Bridge deal makes more sense for him & the team cap structure. 2 reasons why is he wants to win & he will cash in big on his next deal when time allows the big cap hit.

Hughes needs a show me bridge imo. If he wants to hit it big the D has to improve accordingly.

He’s only getting 9 on a long deal. But he’s done things that very few players have in his short time as a Canuck. It’s as sure a bet as you could make.
- 1970vintage

He's done things that only 10M plus players have done recently.

CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
Grubauer's contract w/ the #SeaKraken was rejected by the NHL central registry for violating the front-loaded contract requirements:

-1.5M increase between 22/23-23/24 exceeds 25% of 1st year salary

The contract needs to be restructured and resubmitted

It’s just regular business. Plenty of room for Dikie, Huggy and Petey with a schmill or two left over. Clearly not enough room for a Hamilton, Landeskog or Eichle, let alone all three…
- 1970vintage

I know I was being a smart ass

CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
Grubauer's contract w/ the #SeaKraken was rejected by the NHL central registry for violating the front-loaded contract requirements:

-1.5M increase between 22/23-23/24 exceeds 25% of 1st year salary

The contract needs to be restructured and resubmitted
- manvanfan

RF is a rookie capologist lol

RF is a rookie capologist lol
- Nighthawk

I always wondered a bit why the salary and signing bonuses changed yearly. What's really the difference?

Only thing I could think of is lock out year a heavier signing bonus.

He's done things that only 10M plus players have done recently.
- manvanfan

Yeah. That’s why I’ve said I’d give him $8 x 8 in a heart beat.

I know I was being a smart ass

- VANTEL

I know, I was being a smart-smart add. I saw your smart assery and raised you.

I always wondered a bit why the salary and signing bonuses changed yearly. What's really the difference?

Only thing I could think of is lock out year a heavier signing bonus.
- manvanfan

Lockout protection (lots of bonus) and buyout protection-benefit. If the last couple years are mostly bonus and very little salary it’s easier (for a rich team) to buy out the last couple years. Bonus money is paid at 100%, and remaining salary at 66%

CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
Grubauer's contract w/ the #SeaKraken was rejected by the NHL central registry for violating the front-loaded contract requirements:

-1.5M increase between 22/23-23/24 exceeds 25% of 1st year salary

The contract needs to be restructured and resubmitted
- manvanfan

😂
Such a bush league club.

I know, I was being a smart-smart add. I saw your smart assery and raised you.
- 1970vintage

Lockout protection (lots of bonus) and buyout protection-benefit. If the last couple years are mostly bonus and very little salary it’s easier (for a rich team) to buy out the last couple years. Bonus money is paid at 100%, and remaining salary at 66%
- 1970vintage

All seems just a bit over the top IMO.

All seems just a bit over the top IMO.
- manvanfan

Agents will work the deal to make sure that their clients (and firms) will maximize the dollars no matter how things go.

Hamilton’s deal is like a bell curve - low front end because of escrow, huge in the middle and low on the backend in case he gets bought out.

Agents will work the deal to make sure that their clients (and firms) will maximize the dollars no matter how things go.

Hamilton’s deal is like a bell curve - low front end because of escrow, huge in the middle and low on the backend in case he gets bought out.
- 1970vintage

For sure they will squeeze every penny they can, as they should.

I'm sure a lot of contracts benefits teams just as much as player.

Agents will work the deal to make sure that their clients (and firms) will maximize the dollars no matter how things go.

Hamilton’s deal is like a bell curve - low front end because of escrow, huge in the middle and low on the backend in case he gets bought out.
- 1970vintage

I'm pretty sure if mini was signing the contract and his agent walked him through it he'd feel differently, as he should. It often takes months to iron out a deal for a 1st round NFL pick even though their salaries are pre-determined. The devil is in the details.

I'm pretty sure if mini was signing the contract and his agent walked him through it he'd feel differently, as he should. It often takes months to iron out a deal for a 1st round NFL pick even though their salaries are pre-determined. The devil is in the details.
- golfingsince

Can’t say I understand the NFL system at all. I know guys are signing deals with X% guaranteed and that teams have options of making a guy play one more year (franchise tag?) and that they can terminate contracts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haKNlLw0m5Q

stumbled upon the 'hey burkie' story of drafting the Sedins.
some funny anecdotes for those interested.

Can’t say I understand the NFL system at all. I know guys are signing deals with X% guaranteed and that teams have options of making a guy play one more year (franchise tag?) and that they can terminate contracts?
- 1970vintage

Yeah in the NFL the whole contract isn't guaranteed unless it's in the language. Something different for draft picks though. My main point is that there are details in every deal that makes them unique. Two players in the NFL can sign identical term and salary and one can get paid much more than the other. A similar situation exists in the NHL although not as extreme as you pointed out with buyouts, bonus money, etc.