Sean Maloughney: The Only Duncan Keith Scenario That Makes Sense For Edmonton

Sean Maloughney: The Only Duncan Keith Scenario That Makes Sense For Edmonton
- freelancer

If you bring in Keith, re-sign Larsson and Barrie, and Klef is healthy.... do you own 50% of the leagues defense? At least you can control the trade value with that monopoly.

If you bring in Keith, re-sign Larsson and Barrie, and Klef is healthy.... do you own 50% of the leagues defense? At least you can control the trade value with that monopoly.
- bikeguy99

No desire to bring back Barrie.

Take Ghost off the Flyers hands.

I don't see any scenario where Edmonton needs DK. Edmonton could be going after a Seth Jones, or Hamilton, or someone younger to help build their core.

The Oilers, need to maximize their time with McJesus and doing that will need to include, staying younger, faster and more stable... DO that and you'll win a few cups.

I dunno why, I just can't see Klefbom returning at all.

Also, unless it's 2010, hard pass on Duncan Keith. May as well look at bringing in Phaneuf at that point

I don't see any scenario where Edmonton needs DK. Edmonton could be going after a Seth Jones, or Hamilton, or someone younger to help build their core.

The Oilers, need to maximize their time with McJesus and doing that will need to include, staying younger, faster and more stable... DO that and you'll win a few cups.
- Maverick1818

Hamilton would be an amazing add, but what is his asking price going to be? Even if we walk away from Barrie and Larsson, he still hits the cap a bunch.

Hamilton would be an amazing add, but what is his asking price going to be? Even if we walk away from Barrie and Larsson, he still hits the cap a bunch.
- Beergu

$8+ million.

any less and he's probably just staying in Raleigh.

Seems like you havent come to the conclusion that Caleb Jones is gone this summer no matter what whether it's Chicago or Seattle. He has more value to clubs trying to pitch for Seth Jones AKA Chicago. Both of the Jones brothers have no desire to play in Canada for all those wondering why the Oiles dont make a move for Seth. Move Caleb now to a team that will overpay for him. Duncan Keith right now would be the Oilers 3rd best defenseman and a solid second pairing option playing less minutes against lesser competition. Obviously Chicago is retaining salary for any of this to work. Unless we add Neal or Kosk, there is no chance in hell we take 100% of Keiths contract.

Sean Maloughney: The Only Duncan Keith Scenario That Makes Sense For Edmonton
- freelancer

Sean, in some deep sick way it pleases me to see you agonize over this but you need to embrace the destiny that is Holland. This is what he does. But no deal will happen until after the expansion draft & it's simple. Keith waives his no move so he can be exposed by Chicago. If Hawks are that serious about gaining that net cap space, they can flick a 2nd round pick to Seattle to take Keith. Problem solved. But if Francis wants more or decides on another target in Chicago instead of an available Keith, then a deal is made where Oilers send one of Koskinen or Neal to the Hawks with Jones & do a deal. There is a 2nd buyout period in August, I believe Hawks have some RFA's that have arbitration rights that allow them that 2nd buyout & away you guys go.
Then Holland is happy & you can be happier that Keith doesnt impact your immediate cap space. But keep stressing

Sean, in some deep sick way it pleases me to see you agonize over this but you need to embrace the destiny that is Holland. This is what he does. But no deal will happen until after the expansion draft & it's simple. Keith waives his no move so he can be exposed by Chicago. If Hawks are that serious about gaining that net cap space, they can flick a 2nd round pick to Seattle to take Keith. Problem solved. But if Francis wants more or decides on another target in Chicago instead of an available Keith, then a deal is made where Oilers send one of Koskinen or Neal to the Hawks with Jones & do a deal. There is a 2nd buyout period in August, I believe Hawks have some RFA's that have arbitration rights that allow them that 2nd buyout & away you guys go.
Then Holland is happy & you can be happier that Keith doesnt impact your immediate cap space. But keep stressing
- Kevin R

Im just happy Treliving isnt our GM and that Im not a Flames fan

The Hawks buying out Keith makes almost no sense. $1.5m cap savings this year and $900k next year. I get that it was based on EDM walking away, but would they not be better off just retaining $1m in the remaining two years to keep the trade talk going? I think at that point CHI just takes the best offer from EDM and laughs all the way to the bank. Would Kenny balk at Keith at $1m retained for just Jones? I wouldn't do it if I was Kenny, but then again I also would not have signed Kassian to a bloated extension either.

Im just happy Treliving isnt our GM and that Im not a Flames fan
- Reveen

So are we... (on the second part).

Seems like you havent come to the conclusion that Caleb Jones is gone this summer no matter what whether it's Chicago or Seattle. He has more value to clubs trying to pitch for Seth Jones AKA Chicago. Both of the Jones brothers have no desire to play in Canada for all those wondering why the Oiles dont make a move for Seth. Move Caleb now to a team that will overpay for him. Duncan Keith right now would be the Oilers 3rd best defenseman and a solid second pairing option playing less minutes against lesser competition. Obviously Chicago is retaining salary for any of this to work. Unless we add Neal or Kosk, there is no chance in hell we take 100% of Keiths contract.
- Leichs

There is an article somewhere on the interwebs that has Seth stating Caleb is glad to be getting a chance to be out of his spotlight and making a name for himself. Doesn't sound like they care to be playing together to me. They want to make names for themselves and not live in eachothers shadows.

I’m not following the buyout logic just to do Keith’s family and the Oilers a favor.

They would just as soon keep him in Chicago playing 25 mins per game or expose him for free to Seattle.

An MTA would leave the Hawks with some recapture

I’m not following the buyout logic just to do Keith’s family and the Oilers a favor.

They would just as soon keep him in Chicago playing 25 mins per game or expose him for free to Seattle.
- Instamatic

He has to waive his NMC to be available to Seattle. Keith was solid in 2019, but has two poor seasons in a row now and wasn't good in 2018 either. He's a liability on his current contract for two more seasons.

$8+ million.

any less and he's probably just staying in Raleigh.
- BINGO!

I’d give him over 8 all day to sign in winnipeg, I’d just try to keep term to 5 years.

He has to waive his NMC to be available to Seattle. Keith was solid in 2019, but has two poor seasons in a row now and wasn't good in 2018 either. He's a liability on his current contract for two more seasons.
- jfkst1

Correct, he has to waive his NMC to be exposed to Seattle. He explicitly requested a trade to a “Pacific Northwest” team, so I’m guessing he would be fine waiving the NMC for the expansion draft. I doubt they would do that, as he has value, but Stan Bowman has done crazier things.

Incorrect about his performance and value. He has played well enough and often enough to justify 5.5m in Chicago. The Hawks have systemic problems with defense stemming from their staff and the poor, high danger chance-happy system they run, and well as the youth of the team. Keith as an individual player could play on the middle pairing of any team in this league and would be an upgrade defensively for Edmonton, particularly with Klefbom’s status unclear. In fact, it makes too much sense for Edmonton that it probably won’t happen.

To be fair, we don’t even know if Keith wants to go to Edmonton. There is just rumor and speculation about this to date. It is likely he would rather be closer. I could see Vancouver or Seattle being the victor here—that is, if any trade happens this offseason. The most likely scenario is that they tell him “they tried” and keep him on the Hawks where he belongs.

I’d give him over 8 all day to sign in winnipeg, I’d just try to keep term to 5 years.
- Ross77

that's part of the problem too. He's looking for the Pietrangelo deal. Canes are betting it's not out there and are willing to do $7-7.5 long term. Hence letting him talk to other teams now so he can see if that big money deal is actually out there somewhere.

Correct, he has to waive his NMC to be exposed to Seattle. He explicitly requested a trade to a “Pacific Northwest” team, so I’m guessing he would be fine waiving the NMC for the expansion draft. I doubt they would do that, as he has value, but Stan Bowman has done crazier things.

Incorrect about his performance and value. He has played well enough and often enough to justify 5.5m in Chicago. The Hawks have systemic problems with defense stemming from their staff and the poor, high danger chance-happy system they run, and well as the youth of the team. Keith as an individual player could play on the middle pairing of any team in this league and would be an upgrade defensively for Edmonton, particularly with Klefbom’s status unclear. In fact, it makes too much sense for Edmonton that it probably won’t happen.

To be fair, we don’t even know if Keith wants to go to Edmonton. There is just rumor and speculation about this to date. It is likely he would rather be closer. I could see Vancouver or Seattle being the victor here—that is, if any trade happens this offseason. The most likely scenario is that they tell him “they tried” and keep him on the Hawks where he belongs.
- Instamatic

Are you familiar with western Canadian travel? Sure Dunks can drive to Penticton from Vancouver quicker than he can from Calgary or Edmonton. But do you know how long the flight is from any of those cities??? Commercial flight from Calgary is roughly 45 minutes. Edmonton??? 50 minutes. Vancouver? 30 minutes. Do you really think that 15-20 minutes makes that big of a difference? It's not Winnipeg or Toronto times.

Are you trying to convince others of his worth? Or you?

Are you familiar with western Canadian travel? Sure Dunks can drive to Penticton from Vancouver quicker than he can from Calgary or Edmonton. But do you know how long the flight is from any of those cities??? Commercial flight from Calgary is roughly 45 minutes. Edmonton??? 50 minutes. Vancouver? 30 minutes. Do you really think that 15-20 minutes makes that big of a difference? It's not Winnipeg or Toronto times.

Are you trying to convince others of his worth? Or you?
- wreckage

Question... is Keith > than Giordano? I can honestly see the Kraken take Gio (assuming the Flames leave him exposed) which in theory, makes a Keith to Seattle irrelevant.

Question... is Keith > than Giordano? I can honestly see the Kraken take Gio (assuming the Flames leave him exposed) which in theory, makes a Keith to Seattle irrelevant.
- geta02it

no

He projects to be one of the worst defensemen in the NHL next season.

Question... is Keith > than Giordano? I can honestly see the Kraken take Gio (assuming the Flames leave him exposed) which in theory, makes a Keith to Seattle irrelevant.
- geta02it

I would put them in the same category. They both provide upside as veteran leaders. They're both on the back end of their careers, like really on the back end. Gio has lost a lot of his step and takes stupid penalties against quicker players, but probably has a quicker mind for the game still. Keith has maintained a better physical aspect to his game to keep up to pace. Both offer middle pair capabilities for a team and are worthy of having. Neither are worthy of 5+ cap hits to anyone but their current teams. But both are worthy of spots on their current teams for what they have provided in the past. Leadership is something you have done for your team, not what you might bring to a future team.

Are you trying to convince others of his worth? Or you?

No one. I would prefer Keith remain in Chicago, actually. We’ll see what happens.