Some bottom 6 names ...

Goodrow
Paquette
McGinn
Martinook
Janmark
Boyd (again)
Armia
Perry
Chaisson

...less Malgin, Petan and Ennis signings please.
- The Law

1. Goodrow
2. Perry
3. Paquette

1. Players who forecheck more is a very ambiguous statement - how many players exactly? You also alluded to shifting the lines. Are you suggesting breaking up AM34 and Mitch? Do you swap Mitch and Willie on Matthews' wing?

From a forecheck standpoint, I'm not sure who's out there that could legitimately play in the Top 6 truculently while not dragging the stars down.

Perhaps Sam Bennett?

Doesn't sound like Foligno is an option and Hyman is likely not returning. Maybe you bring in Boone Jenner as your 3C?

I dunno. I'm not trying to "gotcha" here, I'm genuinely curious.

2. If the Leafs let Rielly go they're going to immediately need someone who is a stud D in return. That will cost $$$. Maybe you swap Jones and extend him beyond this year?

If you want to ride our Rielly for the year you're either committed to letting him walk (terrible waste of assets unless this team miraculously wins the Cup) or paying him big $$$ to re-sign.

Suffice it to say. the Leafs need to make a long term decision on who is the #1 D. I don't think Rielly is capable of being that guy. He doesn't appear to be a functional PP QB type though I doubt he would enjoy being relegated to PP2 behind Sandin (or whomever).

Dougie Hamilton may be the cat's meow this year in terms of UFA, but I'd like to know how many teams are willing and capable to afford him at 8.5Mx7 (ish). I doubt he takes the money from dumpster fire teams and he certainly won't be signing with VGK or the Avs (who have their own upcoming monster in RFA Cale Makar).

I don't think him signing or the wage he'll be commanding is quite as out-of-reach for the Leafs.

(though I do doubt that they will end up signing him in the end... it's just fun to speculate and I think it makes just too much sense as a good fit)
- mjones242

I think Rielly is the 3rd most important D man on this team...4th most important in terms of value to the organization with contract,play, potential involved.

An argument can be made that he is the best D.

Brodie and Muzzin are legit top 3 D and those are our pillars.

If Rielly isn't on PP1 he loses a bunch of value to the organization and if the plan is Sandin on PP1 then yes it is time to look at moving Rielly.

The D was really good last year and I put that on Muzzin and Brodie. Holl was good for his 2M cap as well.

I'd allocate his dollars towards someone to help the top 6...which has been the issue the past 2 playoffs.

Not lack of D, not lack of goaltending, not lack of depth. The issue has been the top guys scoring.

Anyone else notice how Stone plays in the playoffs?
- Woderwick

Arguably the best two-way forward in the NHL. And he plays like it despite the time of year. He's a beaut.

Yeah thats garbage, yeah they are hockey players so they are all POS's

What an absolutely stupid comment..you cant actually believe this
- Archaic

I am not so gullible yes.

Guilty even when proven not guilty

sigh

Arguably the best two-way forward in the NHL. And he plays like it despite the time of year. He's a beaut.
- mjones242

Stone is many things.

Fantastic hockey player.

Great leader.

Worth every dollar of that contract.

But he's NOT a beauty.

Stone is many things.

Fantastic hockey player.

Great leader.

Worth every dollar of that contract.

But he's NOT a beauty.





- Scabeh

"Beaut" ≠ "Beauty"

"Beaut" ≠ "Beauty"


- mjones242

What does it mean then?


TEACH ME OH WISE SHARK!

I think they get Evander Kane
- Santo_44

who from the Leafs is going the other way?

and don't forget he's hot a M-NTC

Sandin was anointed the PP QB already
Hamilton is not physical for his size
I want a younger Bogo preferably
- mr.sir

Dubas will offer Adam Larsson 7x5.5

who from the Leafs is going the other way?

and don't forget he's hot a M-NTC
- dmnted

Yeah but like I said, Leafs are the team to play for if you want to make some extra cash.

And I think there is mutual interest for a guy that oozes confidence in this market.

If I had to bet, I'd bet on this guy being the player Dubas was going for at the TDL but money didn't work out.

It is a perfect fit I think. Maybe they can work something out on his contract.

What does it mean then?


TEACH ME OH WISE SHARK!
- Scabeh

Beautiful at hockeying.

oh ffs

Same thing with P Kane. Same thing with every other major league player 99 times out of 100. False claims to get rich quick.

I do agree if he did actually do it...but come on that situation has already been resolved with absolute zero proof. Don't be so gullible.
- Santo_44

in the running for worst post of the year.

for those keeping track

Beautiful at hockeying.
- mjones242

He is looking magnificent out there, a dominant beast that always seems on the verge of taking a dump.

in the running for worst post of the year.

for those keeping track
- senstroll

Top 5 on most lists for sure.

And the competition is fierce.

in the running for worst post of the year.

for those keeping track
- senstroll

You have been so salty lately its hard to take any of your posts seriously.

I want the old Senstroll back, he was much more reasonable and smart.

I think Rielly is the 3rd most important D man on this team...4th most important in terms of value to the organization with contract,play, potential involved.

An argument can be made that he is the best D.

Brodie and Muzzin are legit top 3 D and those are our pillars.

If Rielly isn't on PP1 he loses a bunch of value to the organization and if the plan is Sandin on PP1 then yes it is time to look at moving Rielly.

The D was really good last year and I put that on Muzzin and Brodie. Holl was good for his 2M cap as well.

I'd allocate his dollars towards someone to help the top 6...which has been the issue the past 2 playoffs.

Not lack of D, not lack of goaltending, not lack of depth. The issue has been the top guys scoring.
- Santo_44

Yep. the Leafs D and bottom 6 outscored the Montreal Canadiens entire team in the playoffs.

Problem was that the top guys didn't make it count.

Anyone else notice how Stone plays in the playoffs?
- Woderwick

Micro Fracturedly?

Micro Fracturedly?
- AdamFrench

You have been so salty lately its hard to take any of your posts seriously.

I want the old Senstroll back, he was much more reasonable and smart.
- Santo_44

just to clarify, I was serious

Yep. the Leafs D and bottom 6 outscored the Montreal Canadiens entire team in the playoffs.

Problem was that the top guys didn't make it count.
- BINGO!

Yeah and that's why its annoying to see people ignoring that and looking at depth, goaltending and D.

It is obvious to me where the Leafs need to see improvement.

Anyone else notice how Stone plays in the playoffs?
- Woderwick

the opposite of Mitch Marner?

just to clarify, I was serious
- senstroll

That is great, you have been a lot lately.

All salty posts. Hope all is okay

I think Rielly is the 3rd most important D man on this team...4th most important in terms of value to the organization with contract,play, potential involved.

An argument can be made that he is the best D.

Brodie and Muzzin are legit top 3 D and those are our pillars.

If Rielly isn't on PP1 he loses a bunch of value to the organization and if the plan is Sandin on PP1 then yes it is time to look at moving Rielly.

The D was really good last year and I put that on Muzzin and Brodie. Holl was good for his 2M cap as well.

I'd allocate his dollars towards someone to help the top 6...which has been the issue the past 2 playoffs.

Not lack of D, not lack of goaltending, not lack of depth. The issue has been the top guys scoring.
- Santo_44

We have 4 players in the Top 6 who are making 40M and you think we need to add more scoring there? You do realize the Leafs were missing John Tavares for 99% of the series, right?

Agreed on Rielly's value being severely diminished if he's not on PP1. My argument is that he is actively a detriment to the power play as he doesn't have a threatening shot and he's only really effective offensively when he's on the rush. Fixing the Leafs PP goes a long way to fixing this team's offensive woes.

Having said that, Muzzin and Brodie does not inspire much confidence as your top two guys. The D needs a stud and neither one of those guys - who are certainly very effective and valuable pieces - meets that requirement.

As I've espoused to CC, I believe this team's defence core is largely overrated by this fanbase. Beyond EDM, the North is not exactly an offensively gifted division (among other things) and so I think the TML defensive core is akin to a house of cards. And, of course, deleting Rielly and replacing him with a lesser D-man would actively be a step in reverse.

Yeah and that's why its annoying to see people ignoring that and looking at depth, goaltending and D.

It is obvious to me where the Leafs need to see improvement.
- Santo_44

Mitchy needs to (frank)ing show up when it matters.

That's it. That was the problem. I mean that and JT having that freak accident but that's just bad luck. Marner has 5 goals in 32 playoff games. That's not acceptable for a guy making his dough.

Working under the assumption none of the core 4 are moved, I'd like to see the leafs move Mitch back with JT and Willy move up to play with Matthews.

I'd like Hyman on the cheap or a replacement Hyman type player on the wing L1 maybe a bit of a bigger body than Hyman, which should give AM and Willy more space and puck possession.

I want to see a Robertson - JT - Mitch line, I think it could really click.

Swapping Willy and Mitch from this year + adding Robertson seems like it gives each line 2 guys who can and will shoot / snipe at least which I think they need.

Mitch isn't a shooting threat really and lets be honest neither is Hyman but you have 4 legit guys who can snipe when Robertson is up and then Mitch can be all Mitchy with the waterbug dangles but teams have to decide if it's Robertson or JT they are worried about.

I'd also love to see the Leafs get Jamie Oleksiak.

Big, Young, Heavy player, bit of a snarl to him and hits.

I'd be fine (I actually would like to see them trade him) with Reilly being moved but they need a true #1 Dman if they are moving him. Reilly has been wearing the A in Toronto for quite some time and hasn't helped lead them to any different results.

If he and Hyman are gone that's the 2 longest serving leafs gone, maybe that + Freddy going is the shake up and message Shanny and Dubas want to send?

Take a stab at resigning Foligino and offer him the A if he stays.

Kerfoot is likely gone to Seattle

Bring up Joey Anderson and see what you have in him, same with Sandin and Lillybust.

Go grab a cheapish 1B goalie to help Jack.

Bogo as 7th D man on the cheap again or similar.

Offer Gally a 1 year deal for 1M to play line 3 with whomever is left from giraffe, Mik,Kerfoot or other new bodies for the 3rd line at about same cost as current or less.

Have Adam Brooks on Line 4 with Spezza & another cheap vet? Perry?