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MnGump
Season Ticket Holder
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

May 27 @ 6:41 PM ET
Just wanted to give a shout out to Mohel and the gang. i sure miss the Hawks of a few years ago... haven't' really followed as much since Q's departure, but man this was a sweet squad to watch play the game...

I hated when the wild played against them, but i sure respected/admired the hell out of their style of play.

So here's to hoping the Hawks faithful get their JuJu back soon!

Cheers
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

May 27 @ 6:46 PM ET
Just wanted to give a shout out to Mohel and the gang. i sure miss the Hawks of a few years ago... haven't' really followed as much since Q's departure, but man this was a sweet squad to watch play the game...

I hated when the wild played against them, but i sure respected/admired the hell out of their style of play.

So here's to hoping the Hawks faithful get their JuJu back soon!

Cheers

- MnGump

Your guys are hanging tough versus Vegas.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 27 @ 6:49 PM ET
Last couple of years?

Didn't affect Kane's point production playing hurt

- BetweenTheDots



It certainly affected his play:

2 goals in his last 32 games.

More telling, he wasn’t dancing with the puck - he wasn’t controlling the play like he usually would - he “seemed” disinterested - he kind of disappeared….

Many of us noticed it - we attributed it to playing with inexperienced line mates, letting the opponents double and triple him when he brought the puck into the zone.

But an injury would certainly provide a better explanation.
MnGump
Season Ticket Holder
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

May 27 @ 6:51 PM ET
Your guys are hanging tough versus Vegas.
- 35Tony0

Would love to see them knock Vegas out... if they can reproduce last nights performance i think they will. But Colorado is entirely different beast. Fairly sure the Wild don't have the chops to stay with the Avs... nor do I think Vegas does either.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 27 @ 6:53 PM ET
If the Hawks are seeking a 3C, definitely kick the tires on Wennberg. Like you said, he's strong defensively and provides decent secondary scoring. He's capable of 0.50 PPG. I'd take that for a middle 6 pivot.

But if the Hawks want a top 6 center, Monahan would be worth considering.

Perhaps the Hawks need both. Wennberg is the easier get. Monahan would cost a lot more but could be worth it.

- Theo Fox


For a team rebuilding I prefer a different approach for two reasons


Speaking to the third center slot. I like Wenneberg but he is cost prohibitive. He would cost more in salary cap allocation for a team not yet ready to seiously challenge for playoffs. His pay is not so high as to be totally unrealistic; however, I prefer to use the cost saving younger guys like an Entwhistle.
The savings with him could go to paying others - particularly top line players needing a raise.

Our in house alterntives can be hungry aggressive checkers to insert at #3 center.

Later we may need the salary cap room if Bowman is serious about adding a top tier player through free agency or trade. If Wenneberg now then he would be purged later. But I rather just bring in our young guys if we have worthy candidates [/img]
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 7:04 PM ET
It certainly affected his play:

2 goals in his last 32 games.

More telling, he wasn’t dancing with the puck - he wasn’t controlling the play like he usually would - he “seemed” disinterested - he kind of disappeared….

Many of us noticed it - we attributed it to playing with inexperienced line mates, letting the opponents double and triple him when he brought the puck into the zone.

But an injury would certainly provide a better explanation.

- StLBravesFan


But he was still productive, maybe playing about 22 minutes per game, 3 to 4 games a week made him put his dancing shoes away

I think you meant 22 games not 32, and he still managed 20 points in that stretch and look at the great defensive teams he had to go against. If we were in the Canadian division who knows how many points Kane would of had
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 27 @ 7:08 PM ET
For a team rebuilding I prefer a different approach for two reasons


Speaking to the third center slot. I like Wenneberg but he is cost prohibitive. He would cost more in salary cap allocation for a team not yet ready to seiously challenge for playoffs. His pay is not so high as to be totally unrealistic; however, I prefer to use the cost saving younger guys like an Entwhistle.
The savings with him could go to paying others - particularly top line players needing a raise.

Our in house alterntives can be hungry aggressive checkers to insert at #3 center.

Later we may need the salary cap room if Bowman is serious about adding a top tier player through free agency or trade. If Wenneberg now then he would be purged later. But I rather just bring in our young guys if we have worthy candidates

- jhawk59[/img]

Agreed, why spend money on a 3C when in two years we may have a 3C?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Orange, CA
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 27 @ 7:14 PM ET
No hockey talk boys, as the first trailer of the movie my grandson has a major role in just dropped:
He is in the photo before the teaser

https://screenrant.com/ol...railer-m-night-shyamalan/


I read all about successful teams but don't dismiss who the hawks played in their second Cup victory...Boston Bruins.

Hawks team went one wy there's still hallenging.

We couldn't make Panarin work of we would have a top line.

How did they manage?

- wiz1901


They took a different approach (one that I kind of prefer). They dropped guys either before it was too late, or while they were still very good to get picks/prospects.

Boychuck
Horton
Seguin
D. Hamilton
L. Eriksson

All of them were traded or not resigned before BOS had to commit huge money to them.

Marchand was signed the week before the 2016 season started when his best season had been 61 pts in 77 games. He has been > 1 PPG in every season since. They signed Bergeron to a sub $7M/yr contract. Krejci is their highest plaid player at $7.25M.

The Hawks went all in every year trying to win as many cups as possible. They got 3 in 6 years. Now they are paying the price with old contracts and a ton of new guys trying to improve enough, soon enough, to be competitive again. I personally am not upset at all with the way they did it and wouldn't give back a single cup to be more sustainably competitive now (even though I would manage it more like BOS myself). The Hawks were utterly dominant for 4 out of those 6 years.

We all have to realize what happened and have a pinch of patience while they rebuild the entire team.


BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 7:17 PM ET
They took a different approach (one that I kind of prefer). They dropped guys either before it was too late, or while they were still very good to get picks/prospects.

Boychuck
Horton
Seguin
D. Hamilton
L. Eriksson

All of them were traded or not resigned before BOS had to commit huge money to them.

Marchand was signed the week before the 2016 season started when his best season had been 61 pts in 77 games. He has been > 1 PPG in every season since. They signed Bergeron to a sub $7M/yr contract. Krejci is their highest plaid player at $7.25M.

The Hawks went all in every year trying to win as many cups as possible. They got 3 in 6 years. Now they are paying the price with old contracts and a ton of new guys trying to improve enough, soon enough, to be competitive again. I personally am not upset at all with the way they did it and wouldn't give back a single cup to be more sustainably competitive now (even though I would manage it more like BOS myself). The Hawks were utterly dominant for 4 out of those 6 years.

We all have to realize what happened and have a pinch of patience while they rebuild the entire team.

- Chunk


3 Cups to 1, I'd rather have the 3 and be rebuilding
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 7:21 PM ET
For a team rebuilding I prefer a different approach for two reasons


Speaking to the third center slot. I like Wenneberg but he is cost prohibitive. He would cost more in salary cap allocation for a team not yet ready to seiously challenge for playoffs. His pay is not so high as to be totally unrealistic; however, I prefer to use the cost saving younger guys like an Entwhistle.
The savings with him could go to paying others - particularly top line players needing a raise.

Our in house alterntives can be hungry aggressive checkers to insert at #3 center.

Later we may need the salary cap room if Bowman is serious about adding a top tier player through free agency or trade. If Wenneberg now then he would be purged later. But I rather just bring in our young guys if we have worthy candidates

- jhawk59[/img]


So jhawk, so you still think the Wild dont have a chance?

Seems like if you're the team that has a goal disallowed you lose.

Just wondering if MAF gets the start? He seemed really upset after allowing the 2nd goal
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 27 @ 7:30 PM ET
But he was still productive, maybe playing about 22 minutes per game, 3 to 4 games a week made him put his dancing shoes away

I think you meant 22 games not 32, and he still managed 20 points in that stretch and look at the great defensive teams he had to go against. If we were in the Canadian division who knows how many points Kane would of had

- BetweenTheDots

Yes - 22 games.

He’s always played against excellent defensive teams - he’s almost always performed. This season, I didn’t see it as much.

My analysis stands.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 27 @ 7:31 PM ET
It certainly affected his play:

2 goals in his last 32 games.

More telling, he wasn’t dancing with the puck - he wasn’t controlling the play like he usually would - he “seemed” disinterested - he kind of disappeared….

Many of us noticed it - we attributed it to playing with inexperienced line mates, letting the opponents double and triple him when he brought the puck into the zone.

But an injury would certainly provide a better explanation.

- StLBravesFan
kane did not specify what his injury was but was dealing with all season long injury.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 27 @ 7:31 PM ET
If 3rd line is McTavish's upside, then I would aim higher with a 1st round pick. But if that is his floor and his ceiling is 2C, then definitely worth a look.

That was the same criticism of Anton Lundell last season. Many felt he would just be a really good shutdown 3C but he's proven that he may have what it takes to play top 6 in the NHL.

Aatu Raty has had similar critiques of what his ceiling and floor are at the NHL level.

I like Chaz Lucius but some feedback is that he's just a shooter so not multi-dimensional enough to be a high pick. Not sure if I would spend an 11th pick or higher on him.

Perhaps if the Hawks somehow got another 1st round pick in the late teens or 20's, then I would consider Raty and Lucius in the latter half of the 1st round.

As for Carson Lambos, he's worth considering. Big body, defensively wired, decent puck mover. The knock on him that I really don't see as a bad thing is his offensive upside may be limited. He's a defenseman so who cares as long as he can play shutdown defense in a top 4 role. That's what the Hawks need more of.

- Theo Fox


Central Scouting has Mason McTavish as their second ranked North American player.
You are going to see a lot of reports of this draft class as unremarkable, and since there is such divergence with the big four defenders the big four forwards there is a finger pointing of no outright generational super star talent, and most drafts are just that.
This one suffers from "ignorance" and constant repetition of top names, so therefore they are the top guys.(kinda like Dach wasn't worthy, and Byram was gonna play pro from day one jut two years back.)

Just like last year, you will wait and look for development, whether they get NHL games early/quickly.

It is tough to separate guys and I am betting good teams with particular outliners in their process will ask the correct questions of these kids and read what is on the video and get out correct.
Last year, I was angered at their choice b/c I didn't have as much exposure and looks at him, and I felt it was a reach. This time I am going to be pretty comfortable at most anybody they select from my top 18 or so. They know we do not.

I think there are twenty solid first rounders and a lot more kids with really nice chances and had to bring my two son's of former players, Chase Stillman and Tyler Boucher to around the 50's slots so in my mind we cannot draft both in the second.
I just think there is more here than everyone is saying and the downplay might be so teams can get players based on their more thorough scouting.

And as far as Carson Lambos, there was time early one when I had him slotted at THREE ahead of the other defensive golden boys, because he plays no matter what the upside.

Here is another thing to consider:
I will just pick two teams
Arizona
Pittsburgh

Anyone think those teams who basically stand pat and go again with what they got?
Eventually sooner or later, the are gonna be looking for a Chicago team landed with too many prospects to help their rebuild and the cost will be some pretty good pro players. (At least I think that MIGHT happen, because no one stands pat anymore.) You aren't getting any first rounder from them. and there is only ONE late second between them.

THINK POSITIVE!
Martin Necas was selected 12th overall
https://www.lines.com/nhl...player/martin-necas-25965
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

May 27 @ 7:49 PM ET
Nope. Calgary hangs up the phone on you.

While I like Matthew Tkachuk, I think acquiring him may cost more then the Hawks have or are willing to pay.

But maybe there is a deal here:
https://www.prohockeyrumo...ers-for-sean-monahan.html

I don't like his salary but if the Hawks want to move on from Strome, Monahan is more established, about the same size, better at the dot, better career PPG, fancy stats say he can hold his own and has gotten a few votes for the Selke over the years.

I dont know, maybe.

- Rota's Rooter

Monohan is a paper tiger. I wouln't move the assets for him.

Its a rebuild. Trying to jump start by making a big move won't work. Look at buffalo. You piss away assets and end up worse or the same. Patience is required. Seems a lot of Hawk fans have called for a rebuild but many do not have the patience for it.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

May 27 @ 8:13 PM ET
Just wanted to give a shout out to Mohel and the gang. i sure miss the Hawks of a few years ago... haven't' really followed as much since Q's departure, but man this was a sweet squad to watch play the game...

I hated when the wild played against them, but i sure respected/admired the hell out of their style of play.

So here's to hoping the Hawks faithful get their JuJu back soon!

Cheers

- MnGump



Hello, Gumper! Great to see you here. Hope all is well with you. Looks like the Wild have a high end player with the Russian kid.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 27 @ 8:15 PM ET
Monohan is a paper tiger. I wouln't move the assets for him.

Its a rebuild. Trying to jump start by making a big move won't work. Look at buffalo. You piss away assets and end up worse or the same. Patience is required. Seems a lot of Hawk fans have called for a rebuild but many do not have the patience for it.

- Elbows15

Agree hawks still 2 maybe 3 years away keep developing young players and acquiring assets when hawks can. Hawks are moving forward in the rebuild in the right direction.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

May 27 @ 8:17 PM ET
Monohan is a paper tiger. I wouln't move the assets for him.

Its a rebuild. Trying to jump start by making a big move won't work. Look at buffalo. You piss away assets and end up worse or the same. Patience is required. Seems a lot of Hawk fans have called for a rebuild but many do not have the patience for it.

- Elbows15

Totally agree we are hardly even started and they are calling for a big signing .Stink for the next couple years pile up picks and fill spots .The next two years after this summer some very good players coming up in the draft .And then take stock and fill some holes with FA if possible
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 8:28 PM ET
Any chance Alex could be as good as his brother William?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

May 27 @ 8:39 PM ET
Any chance Alex could be as good as his brother William?
- BetweenTheDots


Yes. Or maybe, no.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 27 @ 8:40 PM ET
Any chance Alex could be as good as his brother William?
- BetweenTheDots


William has the same criticism’s about his game that Alex does.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 27 @ 8:48 PM ET
Monohan is a paper tiger. I wouln't move the assets for him.

Its a rebuild. Trying to jump start by making a big move won't work. Look at buffalo. You piss away assets and end up worse or the same. Patience is required. Seems a lot of Hawk fans have called for a rebuild but many do not have the patience for it.

- Elbows15

I don't disagree. It was just something I saw and after looking at the career numbers I thought it would be a possible fit.

Any player with a decent body of work is going to be costly. Probably more then the Hawks have or are willing to pay.

We can only hope Stashu Bowman can turn some of the turds into non-turds.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 9:06 PM ET
William has the same criticism’s about his game that Alex does.
- LAHawk


William backchecks very well and gets back on defense, those criticisms
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 9:11 PM ET
Good to see Tavares watching the game, must mean no concussion symptoms from the knee to the head
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 27 @ 9:23 PM ET
William backchecks very well and gets back on defense, those criticisms
- BetweenTheDots


Earlier in the week, a drawing of Nylander was on the front page of the Toronto Sun. It was accompanied by the quote, “William Nylander is like buying furniture from IKEA with the instructions somehow missing from the package.”
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 9:24 PM ET
Earlier in the week, a drawing of Nylander was on the front page of the Toronto Sun. It was accompanied by the quote, “William Nylander is like buying furniture from IKEA with the instructions somehow missing from the package.”
- LAHawk


Hahaha, that's fantastic
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