Typical GM speak really. If there are no changes to this coaching staff than that is an utter failure. What will be interesting is if the GM wants new assistants and AV doesn't. Who will prevail?
Bill any rumors out there on deals that didn't happen?
Any thoughts on the Laughton signing? - login
Not bill. But the contract is what I thought it would be. Not sure if I like the 5 years. Guessing they did not receive offers they liked and wasn’t willing to let him walk. 3 mil isn’t terrible especially for his role.
Not bill. But the contract is what I thought it would be. Not sure if I like the 5 years. Guessing they did not receive offers they liked and wasn’t willing to let him walk. 3 mil isn’t terrible especially for his role. - Peter Richards
5 years is too long imo. 3rd line complimentary/depth players should not get 5 year deals. I actually thought he would have got more money. Wish he did....
Since there's no real consequences for sustained mediocrity in the National Ho-Hum League- in fact it's rewarded for franchises like EDM, PIT, BUF what with their perennial lottery runs - then what can really be done to make a structural difference?
Coaches will coach or become pundits somewhere else, players will find work somewhere else, but the only consistency is this vector of millionaire/billionaire franchises that prop one another up year in, year out with a set of success metrics that are more suited for spreadsheets than souls. And how much revenue will they continue to rake in?
The Philadelphia Flyers brand has been sailing on a mediocrity meteor for basically 12 years now with so little to show for except probably pretty budget reports. Until this sport implements some fundamental changes to foster an actually competitive league again, it's just pointless argie-bargie.
5 years is too long imo. 3rd line complimentary/depth players should not get 5 year deals. I actually thought he would have got more money. Wish he did.... - login
I’d he signed a two year deal to escape the flat cap maybe. I look at previous contracts that were similar. Tanev Talbot and such. Versatile, pk and plays multiple positions. Points come at even strength. Go’s news is he has improved each year. Guessing that will plateau but if he can chip 40 points in a year.,,,,
Hands down the best article I have read about the Flyers in a very long time, really nice work Mike! Mike is spot on start to finish!
Not sure what you think is so great about this article. Sielski is a known hater, especially of Voracek. I vehemently disagree with his assessment of Giroux and his contract. He's one of the best players this franchise has ever had! He was screwed out of the Hart trophy twice and has never been given the supporting cast to make a deep run in the playoffs.
Also, in the article he puts none of the onus for mediocrity, as he calls it, on the coaches, which is simply not true. While the players should bear the brunt of the responsibility, coaches deserve some of the blame. The PP and PK have been awful for the most part this year, so Therrien and Yeo get a pass for that? Nonsense!
I disagree with Mike on some key points, agree on others. Specifically, I agree that it was not a coaching issue first and foremost over a series of tenures. I vehemently disagree that Paul Holmgren made a mistake signing Claude Giroux to his current contract.
First of all, Giroux was just coming off a Hart Trophy finalist season at the time the deal was signed. He was 25 years old at the time. To get cost-certainty on him for eight seasons, and keep it under $9 million for the duration of his prime, was an outstanding signing.
Secondly, he's delivered plenty of performance over the life of the current deal. That included his career-best 102 point season in 2017-18 where it was a travesty that he was only 4th in the Hart Trophy race and almost singlehandedly carried the Flyers down the stretch drive with a spectacular run.
Lastly, Mike forgets that Hexy spent four years focused heavily on a farm-system rebuild. The GM was content to keep just enough in place to be a bubble team at the NHL level so long as it didn't cost the team picks or prospects to try to see if they could get good enough to be more than a team that lost in 6 games (twice) in the first round.
That was not Giroux's fault, at all.
Same thing with Hextall's extension for Voracek, although the deal's term at $8.5 million is now a problematic one. Voracek had just finished in the top 4 in the Art Ross Trophy race, and was in his prime.
With contract negotiations, timing is everything.
Mike, too often, skimps on context in such articles.
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Apr 13 @ 10:07 AM ET
I disagree with Mike on some key points, agree on others. Specifically, I agree that it was not a coaching issue first and foremost over a series of tenures. I vehemently disagree that Paul Holmgren made a mistake signing Claude Giroux to his current contract.
The latter was very poorly researched and, quite frankly, unfair. First of all, Giroux was just coming a Hart Trophy finalist season at the time the deal was signed. He was 25 years old at the time. To get cost-certainty on him for eight seasons, and keep it under $9 million for the duration of his prime, was an outstanding signing.
Secondly, he's delivered plenty of performance over the life of the current deal. That included his career-best 102 point season in 2017-18 where it was a travesty that he was only 4th in the Hart Trophy race and almost singlehandedly carried the Flyers down the stretch drive with a spectacular run.
Lastly, Mike forgets that Hexy spent four years focused heavily on a farm-system rebuild. The GM was content to keep just enough in place to be a bubble team at the NHL level so long as it didn't cost the team picks or prospects to try to see if they could get good enough to be more than a team that lost in 6 games (twice) in the first round.
That was not Giroux's fault, at all.
Same thing with Hextall's extension for Voracek, although the deal's term at $8.5 million is now a problematic one. Voracek had just finished in the top 4 in the Art Ross Trophy race, and was in his prime.
With contract negotiations, timing is everything.
Mike, too often, skimps on context in such articles. - bmeltzer
I’d he signed a two year deal to escape the flat cap maybe. I look at previous contracts that were similar. Tanev Talbot and such. Versatile, pk and plays multiple positions. Points come at even strength. Go’s news is he has improved each year. Guessing that will plateau but if he can chip 40 points in a year.,,,, - Peter Richards
Well he has never put up 40 points. So not sure I expect him to going forward. Previous contracts others signed were also bad!!! Guys like him you can pretty much pick up every trade deadline if need be.
Lastly, Mike forgets that Hexy spent four years focused heavily on a farm-system rebuild. The GM was content to keep just enough in place to be a bubble team at the NHL level so long as it didn't cost the team picks or prospects to try to see if they could get good enough to be more than a team that lost in 6 games (twice) in the first round.
T. - bmeltzer
That is/was the problem. He half assed it. Wasted both their primes.
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Apr 13 @ 10:15 AM ET
I disagree with Mike on some key points, agree on others. Specifically, I agree that it was not a coaching issue first and foremost over a series of tenures. I vehemently disagree that Paul Holmgren made a mistake signing Claude Giroux to his current contract.
First of all, Giroux was just coming off a Hart Trophy finalist season at the time the deal was signed. He was 25 years old at the time. To get cost-certainty on him for eight seasons, and keep it under $9 million for the duration of his prime, was an outstanding signing.
Secondly, he's delivered plenty of performance over the life of the current deal. That included his career-best 102 point season in 2017-18 where it was a travesty that he was only 4th in the Hart Trophy race and almost singlehandedly carried the Flyers down the stretch drive with a spectacular run.
Lastly, Mike forgets that Hexy spent four years focused heavily on a farm-system rebuild. The GM was content to keep just enough in place to be a bubble team at the NHL level so long as it didn't cost the team picks or prospects to try to see if they could get good enough to be more than a team that lost in 6 games (twice) in the first round.
That was not Giroux's fault, at all.
Same thing with Hextall's extension for Voracek, although the deal's term at $8.5 million is now a problematic one. Voracek had just finished in the top 4 in the Art Ross Trophy race, and was in his prime.
With contract negotiations, timing is everything.
Mike, too often, skimps on context in such articles. - bmeltzer
That is an epidemic in the comment section here as well.
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Apr 13 @ 10:24 AM ET
Actions will speak louder than the words in April. The PK and PP are just bad.
If the GM tells AV he is firing the assistants does AV then say well you need to fire me as well? Av seems tight with his guys.
Gus was dumb then and dumb now. There was/is no valid reason to sign him. Especially knowing how AV coaches. - login
Then AV would have to go. Who is running the show? We complain about the players running things, yet you seem to be making an excuse that it is ok for the coach to run things instead of the GM?
Do you think Nick Aube-Kubel has played himself into jeopardy at all with some of his penalties? That could be another avenue to get Allison into the lineup IMHO.
Typical GM speak really. If there are no changes to this coaching staff than that is an utter failure. What will be interesting is if the GM wants new assistants and AV doesn't. Who will prevail?
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I don't see the GM speak actually here at all. Fletcher is not changing the coaching, and its AV's call on whether he is happy with his assistants or not. Too many times we have seen the GM change the assistants, and it often if not always leads to a head coach change mid season. Its a refreshing change to have a GM that is finally standing up and saying NO! Its not the coaching! Its the players, they are accountable and they will pay the price. I am all for blowing this team up as much as possible. The culture needs to change, and it starts with the leaders on the team taking up the most cap space.
