Except coots doesn’t have 2 big assets eichel has.
Speed
Offensive skill set of eichel
There’s only 1 player in league that plays the whole 2 minutes of pp. ov
- SMS4016

And Eichel doesn't have the biggest asset that Coots has:

Ability to not only check opposing top lines but outscore them.

Same.

When he's unhappy (i.e., on a sucky team) he's invisible. He's got skills. That is undeniable. The attitude is a problem for me.
- Scoob

He's like Tyler Seguin, but less charming, and a worse goal scorer to boot.

His icetime will drop if he ever ends up on a deeper team. He needs like 20-22 mins to just put up that point per game.

Jack's ES P/60 this season is really low for a guy of his alleged caliber. Of forwards who have played over 300mins this season, he ranks lower than 8 Flyers.

Farabee is #10 in the league. Coots is #13. JvR is #12. Jake #59. Claude #61. Hayes #72. Laughts #73. Oskar #151.

Eichel is #179.
- Tomahawk

That's an excellent point Tomahawk. Bu there are 2 things that need to be investigated

1. First, are Eichel's ES points per minute (ppm) linear? Is it possible he scores most of his points in his earliest shifts? 20-22 mins is a lot and it may not be linear. His last shifts may be more barren.
2. There is the synergy effect of better wingers and better morale boosting production to factor in as well?

I have however a unexpectedly away-from-computer day today. A North Philadelphia food pantry did not get a certain check through USPS (which is a huge mess). So, have been ordered by my wife to take the new check to them physically (my excuse that I need to post to HB has been summarily dismissed).

I don't use Uber/Septa now, and we don't own a car, which means I have to walk to them and back. A 90 min walk each way.


- PT21

Very kind and generous of you.

lol @ bold

Problem I see with that....Coots is a UFA after next season....if that’s the deal why is Coots willing to stay there longer ? And Buffalo doesn’t want a one year rental as the Center piece to a deal.
- landros 2

Coots would gladly stay because Buffalo would give him huge contract.

I have however a unexpectedly away-from-computer day today. A North Philadelphia food pantry did not get a certain check through USPS (which is a huge mess). So, have been ordered by my wife to take the new check to them physically (my excuse that I need to post to HB has been summarily dismissed).

I don't use Uber/Septa now, and we don't own a car, which means I have to walk to them and back. A 90 min walk each way.




- PT21

I'm curious why you didn't do a cost/benefit analysis between walking for 3 hours to deliver a check or using the means of modern day transportation? Heck, you're even behind the times of the 1800's and horseback transportation. Seems like a shrewd business decision. Made by someone we definitely should listen to.

And Eichel doesn't have the biggest asset that Coots has:

Ability to not only check opposing top lines but outscore them.
- Tomahawk

Sorry. I love coots all around game. Who doesn’t. But saying coots is anything but slightly better than average offensively consistently is false. 1 decent offensive season out of how many? Coots has played with much higher talent than eichel. Not even close. Hey i love coots as a 2 nd line center. Perfect roll for him. Coots is not a dominate offensive player to warrant #1 center. You know how Jack closes the gap between him and coots defensively? By playing with elite speed and spending most of the time in the offensive zone.

Coots would gladly stay because Buffalo would give him huge contract.
- SMS4016

So would other teams....if he ever gets to UFA...

Sorry. I love coots all around game. Who doesn’t. But saying coots is anything but slightly better than average offensively consistently is false. 1 decent offensive season out of how many? Coots has played with much higher talent than eichel. Not even close. Hey i love coots as a 2 nd line center. Perfect roll for him. Coots is not a dominate offensive player to warrant #1 center. You know how Jack closes the gap between him and coots defensively? By playing with elite speed and spending most of the time in the offensive zone.
- SMS4016

What is the average scoring for a player in the NHL? Couturier has had 2 seasons where he scored 30+ goals and 70+ points. Last year, he scored at a 26 goal, 70 point pace for a full season. So it seems you don''t have your facts. Couturier is a dominant two way player who is absolutely a #1 NHL center.

And Eichel doesn't have the biggest asset that Coots has:

Ability to not only check opposing top lines but outscore them.
- Tomahawk

At this point ...today I’ll take Coots as the better all around player....but in the right situation Eichel, is a top 5 Center talent inside two years. That’s not something Couturier is or will ever be...and I’m a big fan of his game. I still think it’s more like:

Provorov
Konecny
Patrick
1rst.


For
Eichel
Ristolanien.

All this talk. Switch eichel and matthews And it is unknown but guessing it will still be similar. Eat gel hasn’t played with players as good as matthews. Their point totals are similar. And guessing if you give him more talent to play with eichel s number would slightly improve.

Saying players this year are out performing him is a weird argument. So in this case hart should never be in the NHl again. Cause this year his numbers are bad. Eichel does have an ego but don’t most? Terrible teAm.

There will be no goalpost moving. I will essentially give you a cost benefit analysis of keeping Couts based on your answers.

I am an agnostic. I don't do sermons. The church of sports worship belongs to guys like you.
- PT21

Are you serious? Your on here everyday all day tooting your horn. You’re everything you just said you not. JESUS

No test, my friend, though I am very grateful that you showed the spirit to participate. You and anyone else reading along deserves an answer, and you have given me more than enough to point out essentially, what the implications of your answers are and make my case.

I have however a unexpectedly away-from-computer day today. A North Philadelphia food pantry did not get a certain check through USPS (which is a huge mess). So, have been ordered by my wife to take the new check to them physically (my excuse that I need to post to HB has been summarily dismissed).

I don't use Uber/Septa now, and we don't own a car, which means I have to walk to them and back. A 90 min walk each way.

Having said that, we will be done with this by later today. I will continue posting on this blog, to not mess up any new blog that comes up with stuff not everyone will be interested in.


Here is the summary of the Q and A so far:

1. Estimate the chances of winning the cup in the first 4 years of Couts contract (your answer 8%, JD250 12%. I will go with 12% because the latter is of course a better case for keeping Couts and if I can critique the 12% case, the 8% case is already attacked).

2. Estimate Couts' next contract: 8 years 8.5 mil AAV

3. How much money due you think Couts's intangibes are worth (leadership, ability to mentor players, inspirational value etc etc): Answer: zero, those are perks

4. Based on comparables and Couts' peak level of production, where do you think Couts is likely to produce in years 34-38? Answer: 63 points/season.

5. If we did not resign Couts, and traded him largely for prospects/picks, and made only modest additions to the team (like a Vet D man, no stars) where do you think we would draft on average during what would have been the first 4 years of his contract? Answer (if you accept): About #7 average over the 4 years.

See ya soon.
- PT21

Looks like a sermon to me.

By playing with elite speed and spending most of the time in the offensive zone.
- SMS4016

The only reason Jack is spending most of his time in the ozone is because he starts the vast majority of his shifts there, lol. Like 60%+, which is basically the most favorable deployment a forward can get.

Despite that, he still doesn't outscore Coots at ES.

And linemates? Really? Coots is w/ a 2nd-year forward who weighs like 150lbs and JVR who was basically half a corpse before this season started.

Who would you rather build your team around this summer in 2021?

A 24 year old Eichel who is entering his prime
or

A 29 year old Couturier who will be 30 when his new 8 year contract kicks in; while in the back end of his prime.

At this point ...today I’ll take Coots as the better all around player....but in the right situation Eichel, is a top 5 Center talent inside two years. That’s not something Couturier is or will ever be...and I’m a big fan of his game. I still think it’s more like:

Provorov
Konecny
Patrick
1rst.


For
Eichel
Ristolanien.
- landros 2

Our defense would be sooooo bad

Very kind and generous of you.

lol @ bold
- Scoob

Can’t you tell us what kind of shoes you wore on the epic check walk .

....but in the right situation Eichel, is a top 5 Center talent inside two years.
- landros 2

He's 24, in his sixth year. You really believe he's still on the verge of closing the (absolutely massive) gap to McJesus, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Stamkos, Matthews, etc? That ship has probably already sailed.

All this talk. Switch eichel and matthews And it is unknown but guessing it will still be similar. Eat gel hasn’t played with players as good as matthews. Their point totals are similar. And guessing if you give him more talent to play with eichel s number would slightly improve.

Saying players this year are out performing him is a weird argument. So in this case hart should never be in the NHl again. Cause this year his numbers are bad. Eichel does have an ego but don’t most? Terrible teAm.
- Peter Richards

Agree...the situation Eichel is in has taken its toll on him this year....you could add Sanheim, Provy, Myers, Patrick and Lindblom to Hart on that list....are we saying all these guys are not going to bounce back as well. If Eichel was having a year to his ability then there wouldn’t be any talk of him possibly getting moved.

He's 24, in his sixth year. You really believe he's still on the verge of closing the (absolutely massive) gap to McJesus, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Stamkos, Matthews, etc? That ship has probably already sailed.
- Tomahawk

I do yes.

Our defense would be sooooo bad
- Richieattack18

As opposed to now ...

Just kidding. I’m just throwing out what I think Buffalo would want. Any deal for a legit star, franchise type center is going to cost pieces that would make fans upset.

I do yes.
- landros 2

He'd be beating the odds then.

Usually those kinds of players have already long separated themselves from the pack by Eichel's age.

Deals are routinely suggested here on HB that really wouldn't have much chance of happening. The deal for Eichel basically breaks down to Provorov for Ristolainen. Then Eichel for Konecny, Patrick and a first. Buffalo would not make that deal in my opinion. They would want Frost or Farabee in the deal and probably not include Ristolainen.

He'd be beating the odds then.

Usually those kinds of players have already long separated themselves from the pack by Eichel's age.
- Tomahawk

For the most part I agree with you but you can't just eliminate the situation Eichel has been playing in.

He's 24, in his sixth year. You really believe he's still on the verge of closing the (absolutely massive) gap to McJesus, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Stamkos, Matthews, etc? That ship has probably already sailed.
- Tomahawk

Please explain the massive gap between him and matthews. Mc and drais have each other. Matthews at least has marner. Stamkos had St. Louis. Then point and kuch. What player even close has eichel played with. Yes he gets a lot of o zone starts. Who else on his team is an actual threat. Skinner? Remember ror didn’t want to be a babysitter either.