Todd Cordell: Senators 3, Flames 1: Deja vu

Todd Cordell: Senators 3, Flames 1: Deja vu
- ToddCordellCGY

Ottawa fan here- Calgary was outpacing them in both games the majority of the time. Lucky to escape with points. Calgary has to start capitalizing on chances- big problem I see is with your top players. Gaudreau does not like physicality

Remember when we traded Dougie Hamilton because he was "bad in the room".
I like Lindy and Hannifin, but it makes me smile thinking about the conversations that led to that trade. Can just see Johnny complaining to Tre that he isn't getting enough touches with Doug on the team.

I turned the Ottawa game off at the beginning of the third, the Flames are brutal.

I'm cheering for the Jets now. F-U Flames! Tre s/be fired now.

A team like the Senators that are out of playoff contention can just go out and play loose.
The Leafs and Flames meanwhile are expected to do well and when slumping skate around with pianos on their backs.
It's between the ears, and if the Leafs lose again to them tonight they will be in the same mental state as the Flames.
Tough league.

time to rebuild in Calgary , with a new GM
is there any untouchables on the Flames

Thx Todd, the Flames R Too small , Too slow, Too old for todays game. More steam pls

I think things were off prior to Sutter as Tkachuk/players mtg seemed to have soured some. But not sure Sutter is best coach a team constructed like the flames. He likes to be the counterpuncher, start from a defensive posture, then grind and cycle the puck. So guys like Lucic and Bennet fit his mold where Monohan and Gaudreau will suffer. I would have thought Tkachuk would be more in sutters mold, but thus far something seems off. Not sure what went on or if hes hurt but hes not the same player. If sutter is to be here 3 years, they will have to swap out some pieces as i am not sure some piece fit, or even if they do they may opt to want out.

time to rebuild in Calgary , with a new GM
is there any untouchables on the Flames
- explorer

Keep Lindholm, Monahan, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Andersson and Markstrom.

time to rebuild in Calgary , with a new GM
is there any untouchables on the Flames
- explorer

Darren Haynes did an article after the Flames let Hartley go (not sure if it was Hartley, there have been so many coaches fired in the last 7 years it is tough to keep track) describing how long it typically takes a team to adapt to a new coaches systems. Of all the statistics he collected from various teams, Haynes came to the conclusion that it normally takes a team around 20 games to turn the corner and get a winning record. I do not expect that to be different with this current team. Unless things take a 180-degree turn in the next couple of games this season is done.

Ownership wanted a quick turnaround and we are seeing the result of that. I think Tre has done well with the cards he was dealt. JG and SM have regressed rather than become more complete hockey players. Gio is a shadow of his former self. Tkachuk has not been the same since that Toronto game.

I think Sutter will have a voice with the kind of players that he thinks a team needs to be able to win in his system and I think management will support him. It will be Tre's job to go and get it done. Tre has done well with trades and drafting so I think he is the guy for the job.

I see them playing like crap as a blessing. Better than the last couple of years where they get to playoffs and play like poop. At least if they retool the team they will get something for assets like JG, Backlund, and Gio.

The blog could have been titled: Flames miss playoffs-- Still 22 games left to play

Oh, and Taylor Hall next summer ain't the solution.

Darren Haynes did an article after the Flames let Hartley go (not sure if it was Hartley, there have been so many coaches fired in the last 7 years it is tough to keep track) describing how long it typically takes a team to adapt to a new coaches systems. Of all the statistics he collected from various teams, Haynes came to the conclusion that it normally takes a team around 20 games to turn the corner and get a winning record. I do not expect that to be different with this current team. Unless things take a 180-degree turn in the next couple of games this season is done.

Ownership wanted a quick turnaround and we are seeing the result of that. I think Tre has done well with the cards he was dealt. JG and SM have regressed rather than become more complete hockey players. Gio is a shadow of his former self. Tkachuk has not been the same since that Toronto game.

I think Sutter will have a voice with the kind of players that he thinks a team needs to be able to win in his system and I think management will support him. It will be Tre's job to go and get it done. Tre has done well with trades and drafting so I think he is the guy for the job.

I see them playing like crap as a blessing. Better than the last couple of years where they get to playoffs and play like poop. At least if they retool the team they will get something for assets like JG, Backlund, and Gio.
- DuranDuran

Good post & I 100% agree. Treliving did not have strong enough coaches & therefore probably didnt have good enough eyes & evaluations of the talent that they did have. This team just isnt good enough in a parity league that just a small miscalculation makes a huge difference between winning & losing. Sutter will definitely have a huge say in the evaluation of players we have & how Treliving will proceed with the future changes. Is going to be a real real interesting offseason.

Darren Haynes did an article after the Flames let Hartley go (not sure if it was Hartley, there have been so many coaches fired in the last 7 years it is tough to keep track) describing how long it typically takes a team to adapt to a new coaches systems. Of all the statistics he collected from various teams, Haynes came to the conclusion that it normally takes a team around 20 games to turn the corner and get a winning record...................................
- DuranDuran

Good read. Thanks.

The number one goal this offseason needs to be resigning Gaudreau and Tkachuk. They're not the problem with the team, and if they lose one and keep the other, it's just going to be another decade of mediocrity. Sign both or move both. 8 million is probably a good number for each of them. Go after the full 8 years for Tkachuk and try and get Gaudreau to sign for 5 or 6. Gives them a solid core that can be competitive for a while, especially if they can unload a Giordano/Backlund/Lucic to Seattle.

They also need to try and bring in an Engelland/Forbort type to play with Valimaki. It seems half of the goals the Flames give up is when Valimaki and whoever are on the ice and the slot is just free for the other team.

Can also hope Pelletier and/or Zary can make the team and add a spark.

It's definitely not burn it all down time, unless Gaudreau and Tkachuk want out.

If Hall will sign for cheapish, 5 years 30-35 million, the one crazy thing that might be worth considering is moving Gaudreau or Tkachuk and replacing them with Hall.

Have to wonder if the Sutter hire was an ownership move. Treliving had to know the roster was not a Sutter roster and it wasn't going to turn around in season. They'll be much better with an offseason and a training camp with Sutter.

Darren Haynes did an article after the Flames let Hartley go (not sure if it was Hartley, there have been so many coaches fired in the last 7 years it is tough to keep track) describing how long it typically takes a team to adapt to a new coaches systems. Of all the statistics he collected from various teams, Haynes came to the conclusion that it normally takes a team around 20 games to turn the corner and get a winning record. I do not expect that to be different with this current team. Unless things take a 180-degree turn in the next couple of games this season is done.

Ownership wanted a quick turnaround and we are seeing the result of that. I think Tre has done well with the cards he was dealt. JG and SM have regressed rather than become more complete hockey players. Gio is a shadow of his former self. Tkachuk has not been the same since that Toronto game.

I think Sutter will have a voice with the kind of players that he thinks a team needs to be able to win in his system and I think management will support him. It will be Tre's job to go and get it done. Tre has done well with trades and drafting so I think he is the guy for the job.

I see them playing like crap as a blessing. Better than the last couple of years where they get to playoffs and play like poop. At least if they retool the team they will get something for assets like JG, Backlund, and Gio.
- DuranDuran

Good post.

What kind of return do you think JG gets as of now? Seems to me like a guy who's value is taking a hit at the moment and may have maxed out maybe a season or so ago. You might be better off keeping him, or forced to with the market being what it is.

Good post.

What kind of return do you think JG gets as of now? Seems to me like a guy who's value is taking a hit at the moment and may have maxed out maybe a season or so ago. You might be better off keeping him, or forced to with the market being what it is.
- Load Management

Gaudreau's skills are there & there will be a market for him. If a TDL deal cant be made now that the quarantine time is down to a week, keep him & if he doesnt resign this offseason, he'll get a decent rental package of at least a late 1st, conditional pick & a decent prospect this time next year.

@Durran
Agree with most you said except Treliving, he delt those cards and is fully responsible for this roster. How many more years are we going to watch him try to build a contender? It’s been 7 now so are we saying it takes 10?
There’s something rotting in that dressing room, too many player just going through the motions.
Time for a retool, make some trades, get some prospects and draft picks, but for FUKS sake change the culture in the room.

The number one goal this offseason needs to be resigning Gaudreau and Tkachuk. They're not the problem with the team, and if they lose one and keep the other, it's just going to be another decade of mediocrity. Sign both or move both. 8 million is probably a good number for each of them. Go after the full 8 years for Tkachuk and try and get Gaudreau to sign for 5 or 6. Gives them a solid core that can be competitive for a while, especially if they can unload a Giordano/Backlund/Lucic to Seattle.

They also need to try and bring in an Engelland/Forbort type to play with Valimaki. It seems half of the goals the Flames give up is when Valimaki and whoever are on the ice and the slot is just free for the other team.

Can also hope Pelletier and/or Zary can make the team and add a spark.

It's definitely not burn it all down time, unless Gaudreau and Tkachuk want out.

If Hall will sign for cheapish, 5 years 30-35 million, the one crazy thing that might be worth considering is moving Gaudreau or Tkachuk and replacing them with Hall.

Have to wonder if the Sutter hire was an ownership move. Treliving had to know the roster was not a Sutter roster and it wasn't going to turn around in season. They'll be much better with an offseason and a training camp with Sutter.
- Hunkulese

I agree with this. Shocking but I really do agree with you Hunk.

The number one goal this offseason needs to be resigning Gaudreau and Tkachuk. They're not the problem with the team, and if they lose one and keep the other, it's just going to be another decade of mediocrity. Sign both or move both. 8 million is probably a good number for each of them. Go after the full 8 years for Tkachuk and try and get Gaudreau to sign for 5 or 6. Gives them a solid core that can be competitive for a while, especially if they can unload a Giordano/Backlund/Lucic to Seattle.

They also need to try and bring in an Engelland/Forbort type to play with Valimaki. It seems half of the goals the Flames give up is when Valimaki and whoever are on the ice and the slot is just free for the other team.

Can also hope Pelletier and/or Zary can make the team and add a spark.

It's definitely not burn it all down time, unless Gaudreau and Tkachuk want out.

If Hall will sign for cheapish, 5 years 30-35 million, the one crazy thing that might be worth considering is moving Gaudreau or Tkachuk and replacing them with Hall.

Have to wonder if the Sutter hire was an ownership move. Treliving had to know the roster was not a Sutter roster and it wasn't going to turn around in season. They'll be much better with an offseason and a training camp with Sutter.
- Hunkulese

Agree with some of this as well, would love to see a hard nosed partner for Valimaki but I don’t think he’s the problem. Gio is making some really bad decisions lately, 2 in the first game that resulted in goals and another last game. He’s not the player he once was and needs his icetime cut accordingly. Look what Tanev has done for Noah, so many people wanted him gone at the beginning of the year and now, imo he’s our best defenseman.
We can only hope Seattle makes Gio their first captain.

@Darrell Sutter

Please Darrell would you just play 19,28,13 together for a couple games. Move 6 up with 4 and move 5 to the 3rd pairing with 58, at least he’s fast enough to cover for the old guy.

I know you regularly check Hockeybuzz to get new ideas! I wait for your reply, thanks

To be clear, Gus is not technically a 4th string goaltender. He's currently lower down the depth chart but is an important goaltending prospect in the Sens system. He's only 22 and has been expected to one day be higher in the "string". So maybe lose the hyperbole about how pathetic it is to lose to the guy.

To be clear, Gus is not technically a 4th string goaltender. He's currently lower down the depth chart but is an important goaltending prospect in the Sens system. He's only 22 and has been expected to one day be higher in the "string". So maybe lose the hyperbole about how pathetic it is to lose to the guy.
- Spacebar

Nothing wrong with his game at all. Too bad Murray wasn’t in there, we might have stood a chance.
Why is Wolevin (sp) on waivers? I thought he played well the last 2 games.

Nothing wrong with his game at all. Too bad Murray wasn’t in there, we might have stood a chance.
Why is Wolevin (sp) on waivers? I thought he played well the last 2 games.
- K-man25

yeah, it's a surprise. Wolanin has played well enough, and had been seen as a key part of the future defence. He hasn't quite bounced back from shoulder surgery though last year. Hopefully he clears. Would suck to lose him the way we lost Balcers.

Nothing wrong with his game at all. Too bad Murray wasn’t in there, we might have stood a chance.
Why is Wolevin (sp) on waivers? I thought he played well the last 2 games.
- K-man25

yeah, it's a surprise. Wolanin has played well enough, and had been seen as a key part of the future defence. He hasn't quite bounced back from shoulder surgery though last year. Hopefully he clears. Would suck to lose him the way we lost Balcers.

Good post.

What kind of return do you think JG gets as of now? Seems to me like a guy who's value is taking a hit at the moment and may have maxed out maybe a season or so ago. You might be better off keeping him, or forced to with the market being what it is.
- Load Management

I think JG is like Phil the thrill. Can feast on bottom 6 and does well on the power play. But put him head to head against a good top line and he disappears.

He would be a good fit in Philly. I like the idea of trading him for Konecky.

I am still pissed Flames missed out on the PLD sweepstakes. He is still developing but kid will become an absolute stud IMO.