I'd start offering Kapanen up and I hope Hextall doesn't have any obligatory feelings about him because of what JR gave up to get him. Maybe he can get the Pens a better center.
- Rinosaur

Limited center market. Maybe Boone Jenner for 3c?

Limited center market. Maybe Boone Jenner for 3c?
- Feds91Stammer

I wouldn't scoff at that. Lowry's name has been brought up a bit on here and I wouldn't mind getting him depending on the price. Like you've said before, the Pens don't necessarily need a a major 3C. Just an upgrade.

If it were for Kap, I think the Pens could get some futures in addition to Lowry.

What about this... you guys can tweak or build on it, but here's the gist:

TO ANA: Pettersson + Kapanen
TO PIT: Henrqiue + Rackell

That's the nuts and bolts. What would need to be tweaked to make it work?

I wouldn't scoff at that. Lowry's name has been brought up a bit on here and I wouldn't mind getting him depending on the price. Like you've said before, the Pens don't necessarily need a a major 3C. Just an upgrade.

If it were for Kap, I think the Pens could get some futures in addition to Lowry.
- Rinosaur

Yeah maybe a Kap for Lowry and a 2nd especially if WPG wants to put PLD back at C and move Stastny to 3c.

Problem is that leaves your RW depth very thin.

Maybe MTL would be open to Tatar and Armia for that 2nd plus Pettersson and McCann?

What about this... you guys can tweak or build on it, but here's the gist:

TO ANA: Pettersson + Kapanen
TO PIT: Henrqiue + Rackell

That's the nuts and bolts. What would need to be tweaked to make it work?
- Rinosaur

Anaheim would have to add a pick imo because that Henrique contract is hot garbage.

Or retention on Henrique.

What about this... you guys can tweak or build on it, but here's the gist:

TO ANA: Pettersson + Kapanen
TO PIT: Henrqiue + Rackell

That's the nuts and bolts. What would need to be tweaked to make it work?
- Rinosaur

Not bad but I think I'd do 2 separate trades if possible. Like Pettersson/Rackell deal(add in the pieces needed) then a Kap deal. I'd have to look up teams but don't have the time now.

Anaheim would have to add a pick imo because that Henrique contract is hot garbage.
- Feds91Stammer

Then I'd either have ANA retain about 25% on Henrique or add a 2022 pick. 3rd or 2nd rounder?

Then I'd either have ANA retain about 25% on Henrique or add a 2022 pick. 3rd or 2nd rounder?
- Rinosaur

Something like that but either way I think you’re just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. If you’re sacrificing LD stability for forward depth I think it’s an overall wash.

Not bad but I think I'd do 2 separate trades if possible. Like Pettersson/Rackell deal(add in the pieces needed) then a Kap deal. I'd have to look up teams but don't have the time now.
- 668710

Getting Henrique and Rackell kills two birds with one stone. At that point the Pens have the assets to still go out and maybe get Tatar.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Tatar-Geno-Rackell
McCann-Henrique-Zucker
ZAR-Blue-Tanev

Something like that but either way I think you’re just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. If you’re sacrificing LD stability for forward depth I think it’s an overall wash.
- Feds91Stammer

The Pens still have Riikola who I think is grossly underrated as their depth behind what's looking like a solid lineup. IMO the Pens defense really hasn't been the issue as of late. I'm not saying they haven't laid eggs, but I think It's been more the forwards ability to support them.

The Pens still have Riikola who I think is grossly underrated as their depth behind what's looking like a solid lineup. IMO the Pens defense really hasn't been the issue as of late. I'm not saying they haven't laid eggs, but I think It's been more the forwards ability to support them.
- Rinosaur

Yeah but anyway you slice it. Having 2 of POJ MM Riiki as 2 of your LD is not ideal.

I think for this season what makes the most sense is a 1 for 2 forward deal. Maybe where you’re getting 2 rentals and then you can look for bigger deals in the off season. Without Dumo and Pettersson there’s currently too many LD that need sheltering.

It’s gonna be tough finding a deal that without a doubt makes you a better team imo.

Yeah but anyway you slice it. Having 2 of POJ MM Riiki as 2 of your LD is not ideal.

I think for this season what makes the most sense is a 1 for 2 forward deal. Maybe where you’re getting 2 rentals and then you can look for bigger deals in the off season. Without Dumo and Pettersson there’s currently too many LD that need sheltering.

It’s gonna be tough finding a deal that without a doubt makes you a better team imo.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah, none of this is going to be easy. I really don't think this team should explore any rentals. I don't think they're playing good enough to waste assets on a rental. They can only afford to make hockey trades IMO.

My fear at this point is them going after someone like Zadorov.

Yeah, none of this is going to be easy. I really don't think this team should explore any rentals. I don't think they're playing good enough to waste assets on a rental. They can only afford to make hockey trades IMO.

My fear at this point is them going after someone like Zadorov.
- Rinosaur

Depends on what you’re moving for rentals. Definitely wouldn’t move futures for rentals.

I think something like McCann and Pettersson for Fabbri Ryan And Nemeth makes some sense.

Then maybe flip Kapanen for Dadonov?

Adding 3 forwards while only losing 2. And keeping a steady D that doesn’t need to be sheltered at LD.

Am I too far off on this one?

I mean the other teams had the same chance to win in those OT/Shootouts and didn't. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, they definitely need to play better but they also need a couple guys or they aren't going anywhere. Sid and Geno in their prime couldn't carry a non existent 4th line and it's not gonna happen now.
- 668710

Other teams may have had that chance, but it means nothing in predicting a playoff series because OT has different rules. 4-8 on regulation, 7-1 in OT.

I agree they aren't going anywhere without additions, I just don't think they are going anywhere with them either. Team is in a place to me where they need to prove they can do more. Otherwise, I'm just picking up depth rentals and maybe a LD for forward swap to give them a playable 4th line.

That's where this team is different then 2016 that people want to compare them to. Who are the guys like Rust and Sheary they can call up to lengthen the lineup? If they had that, we wouldn't need another line.

Depends on what you’re moving for rentals. Definitely wouldn’t move futures for rentals.

I think something like McCann and Pettersson for Fabbri Ryan And Nemeth makes some sense.

Then maybe flip Kapanen for Dadonov?

Adding 3 forwards while only losing 2. And keeping a steady D that doesn’t need to be sheltered at LD.

Am I too far off on this one?
- Feds91Stammer

I think the Pens can get a lot more for Pettersson in terms of quality, but maybe you can swing McCann and Kapanen to DET for something similar? As far as Dadonov for Kapanen, I have no idea how OTT views him. He's aging, but do they believe he's part of taking this team to the next step?

Yeah but anyway you slice it. Having 2 of POJ MM Riiki as 2 of your LD is not ideal.

I think for this season what makes the most sense is a 1 for 2 forward deal. Maybe where you’re getting 2 rentals and then you can look for bigger deals in the off season. Without Dumo and Pettersson there’s currently too many LD that need sheltering.

It’s gonna be tough finding a deal that without a doubt makes you a better team imo.
- Feds91Stammer

This is a gamble they may have to take just to add assets because at least there is a possibility of being ok here. MM has been pretty good thus far though his defensive lapses are being glanced over. Marino is a good partner for him. And if he fails POJ may fit in that spot. I'd rather hold off a bit, but if it looks good at the deadline trading a LD and gambling on their other options may be a route to take.

I think the Pens can get a lot more for Pettersson in terms of quality, but maybe you can swing McCann and Kapanen to DET for something similar? As far as Dadonov for Kapanen, I have no idea how OTT views him. He's aging, but do they believe he's part of taking this team to the next step?
- Rinosaur

It’s just near impossible to fill the holes on the roster without moving the limited assets available.

Realistically it’s probably best to stand pat until the offseason.

Depends on what you’re moving for rentals. Definitely wouldn’t move futures for rentals.

I think something like McCann and Pettersson for Fabbri Ryan And Nemeth makes some sense.

Then maybe flip Kapanen for Dadonov?

Adding 3 forwards while only losing 2. And keeping a steady D that doesn’t need to be sheltered at LD.

Am I too far off on this one?
- Feds91Stammer

Flipping some of the youngest players on the roster who have term for rentals seems like the type of short-sighted move the Pens should stop doing. Good idea for Detroit though...

This is a gamble they may have to take just to add assets because at least there is a possibility of being ok here. MM has been pretty good thus far though his defensive lapses are being glanced over. Marino is a good partner for him. And if he fails POJ may fit in that spot. I'd rather hold off a bit, but if it looks good at the deadline trading a LD and gambling on their other options may be a route to take.
- Tojo.

POJ isn’t nhl ready imo and Riiki is a fringe NHLer. And really with Zucker probably done for the season moving Pettersson for a forward just fills that hole so nothing really changed. Pens are just screwed thanks to elite asset management from gunslinger Jim.

Flipping some of the youngest players on the roster who have term for rentals seems like the type of short-sighted move the Pens should stop doing. Good idea for Detroit though...
- Tojo.

Not much you can do to improve depth without touching your futures at this point. You’re just screwed.

POJ isn’t nhl ready imo and Riiki is a fringe NHLer. And really with Zucker probably done for the season moving Pettersson for a forward just fills that hole so nothing really changed. Pens are just screwed thanks to elite asset management from gunslinger Jim.
- Feds91Stammer

I think POJ is ready to start playing in NHL. At least 3rd pair, not sure on 2nd, definitely not 1st. Agree on Riikola, fine as 4th.

Agree on team being screwed though. I don't see Dumoulin as a Pen much longer or Pettersson as a necessary part of a rebuild, so I'm open to a trade. Lean towards Dumoulin and it's probably not the type of deal others want. I think the moves they make this year will just be shuffling deck chairs because why sink more futures into this team? What they really need now is prospects.

Not much you can do to improve depth without touching your futures at this point. You’re just screwed.
- Feds91Stammer

Yep. They can find some rentals that don't cost much to upgrade 4th, but that's it.

CBJ lost 5 in a row. Torts might be available soon ... Pens need more shot blockers!

Depends on what you’re moving for rentals. Definitely wouldn’t move futures for rentals.

I think something like McCann and Pettersson for Fabbri Ryan And Nemeth makes some sense.

Then maybe flip Kapanen for Dadonov?

Adding 3 forwards while only losing 2. And keeping a steady D that doesn’t need to be sheltered at LD.

Am I too far off on this one?
- Feds91Stammer

Actually that sounds pretty good imo. But who knows what direction were gonna take.

Yep. They can find some rentals that don't cost much to upgrade 4th, but that's it.
- Tojo.

If they can make another competent line that would go a long way, along with a coaching change.