Jeremy Laura: Svechnikov added to Taxi Squad before Wings vs Hawks IV

Not sure what you meant in the blog but taxi squad pay is the same as AHL pay.

Not sure what you meant in the blog but taxi squad pay is the same as AHL pay.
- Feds91Stammer

No, it isn’t Feds. The agreed upon percentages at the AHL level this year are lower than the agreed upon percentages at the NHL level. Larry Brooks did a piece on it. It’s about a decent bump up to 72% (with an 8% repay) the same as the NHL agreement this year

Taxi squad pay is like government and teachers' pay during COVID: you get paid more for doing less!

No, it isn’t Feds. The agreed upon percentages at the AHL level this year are lower than the agreed upon percentages at the NHL level. Larry Brooks did a piece on it. It’s about a decent bump up to 72% (with an 8% repay) the same as the NHL agreement this year
- Jeremy Laura

Is an NHL contract not paid by the NHL team?

Is an NHL contract not paid by the NHL team?
- Feds91Stammer

Man, I’m begging you to take some time off the comments. I’ve covered this stuff many, many times. The players in the AHL are paid by the AHL. Even if they’re on an NHL 2 way deal. The AHL players agreed to around 40% of salary pay. That’s what you get when you’re there. The Taxi squad gets the smaller part of the 2 way deal (if applicable) but is consider an NHL entity and receives 72% of their salary. 20% escrow, 8% deferment (10 percent, but post escrow). If you’re here just to argue, I’m giving you the opportunity to step away. If you refuse to do so, at some point you will be involuntarily removed.

Man, I’m begging you to take some time off the comments. I’ve covered this stuff many, many times. The players in the AHL are paid by the AHL. Even if they’re on an NHL 2 way deal. The AHL players agreed to around 40% of salary pay. That’s what you get when you’re there. The Taxi squad gets the smaller part of the 2 way deal (if applicable) but is consider an NHL entity and receives 72% of their salary. 20% escrow, 8% deferment (10 percent, but post escrow). If you’re here just to argue, I’m giving you the opportunity to step away. If you refuse to do so, at some point you will be involuntarily removed.
- Jeremy Laura

I asked a question bud. If you’re going to take every post on a discussion board personally I don’t know what to tell you.

I asked a question bud. If you’re going to take every post on a discussion board personally I don’t know what to tell you.
- Feds91Stammer

Unfortunately we’re in a place where there is a continuation. You didn’t ask a question. You offered a correction saying “taxi squad and ahl pay are the same”. I’ve also been forwarded some desparaging comments you made in a different comment section. Between that and a number of people who’ve felt bullied by your methods, things aren’t real rosy right now. I just ask that you consider your tact. You typically sound like you are correcting people. You then use terms like “embarrassing” to discount input. It’s not helping your cause

Unfortunately we’re in a place where there is a continuation. You didn’t ask a question. You offered a correction saying “taxi squad and ahl pay are the same”. I’ve also been forwarded some desparaging comments you made in a different comment section. Between that and a number of people who’ve felt bullied by your methods, things aren’t real rosy right now. I just ask that you consider your tact. You typically sound like you are correcting people. You then use terms like “embarrassing” to discount input. It’s not helping your cause
- Jeremy Laura

You’ve been forwarded comments I’ve made in another thread? Wow this really is embarrassing.

Jeremy, my understanding is that players on 2-way deals on get their full minor league salaries while on the taxi squad (i.e., not subject to escrow / deferral). Obviously players on 1-way contracts are subject to escrow / deferral regardless of whether they are in the NHL, taxi, or minors.

Source: 2020-21 NHL transition rules Attachment D (Compensation, page 32)

For illustration purposes:

Svecnhikov in NHL: $5,425 per day after deferrals and escrow (72% of NHL salary / 116)
Svechnikov on taxi squad: $603 per day (100% minor league salary / 116)
Svechnikov in AHL: as low as $242 per day (40% minor league salary / 116)

You’ve been forwarded comments I’ve made in another thread? Wow this really is embarrassing.
- Feds91Stammer

Well it should be.....FOR YOU! But, it seems you won't see it that way.

Dude. Seriously. Why push it? Jeremy's been pretty cool about all of this, and he's right; you do badger folks and make this about conflict when it's supposed to be about mature adult discussion. "I didn’t realize boomers were so soft." isn't adult at all. Those are the types of things you do to folks that piss them off. And it's intentional, for whatever reason.

Just stop. Make your point with respect. Just like I'm doing now; you can be nice and still get your point across.

Jeremy works his ass off to build an environment where people can just be, not dealing with the crap that goes on outside of our doors. When you, or others like you (yes, there are others that are far more repulsive) come in on their high horses, it just brings everyone down. It goes against what J is trying to do; give folks an escape from the bullshirt. WE are just asking you to respect that like he respects all of us.

Jeremy, my understanding is that players on 2-way deals on get their full minor league salaries while on the taxi squad (i.e., not subject to escrow / deferral). Obviously players on 1-way contracts are subject to escrow / deferral regardless of whether they are in the NHL, taxi, or minors.

Source: 2020-21 NHL transition rules Attachment D (Compensation, page 32)

For illustration purposes:

Svecnhikov in NHL: $5,425 per day after deferrals and escrow (72% of NHL salary / 116)
Svechnikov on taxi squad: $603 per day (100% minor league salary / 116)
Svechnikov in AHL: as low as $242 per day (40% minor league salary / 116)
- Sven22

That’s not the case. The ammendment made at the AHL level had to be approved before teams moved forward. Remember, not all teams have NHL ownership. The owners would go bankrupt if they had to pay the un amended salaries. Again, go back to the final agreements the AHL put in place before starting. There were multiple articles about the discrepancies of Taxi Squad and AHL pay from all over.

You’ve been forwarded comments I’ve made in another thread? Wow this really is embarrassing.
- Feds91Stammer

Unfortunately, you continue to use the word embarrassing to anything the reveals your character. At this point, I would kindly ask that you take a brake from this blog.

Hearing chatter from another blog that Mattias Ekholm's name may be coming up in trade rumors (very preliminary, of course, but considering Smashville's current situation.....). Wonder if The Captain would consider a move for him? Just throwing it out there, not suggesting it'd be a good move, rather something thing to talk about.

So, Wings v 'Hawks....vol IV? It feels like things may be starting to click a bit more than early on. Stands to reason considering what "training camp" was/looked like. There has GOT to be some solution on the PP. I'm not sure what the answer is, not a professional coach, but being an observer I can see this is a very problematic area. Saw Svech has been pulled to the TS, would like to see how he's progressed. Am still big time Team Smith; that guy's pretty solid.

Am truly concerned about the D-lines. Staal seems to be coming around on the O side of things, but he's still a liability, IMHO. As has been stated on the blog too many times to count; let's see what some kids can do. We need consistency on the D-line badly. Still holding out hope that the kids across the pond keep bringing it. Not heard any updates on Seider, which is concerning; I don't think we'll see him at the end of this season because of the time he spent on IR/whatever they call it. Still think we'll see him in camp this Fall, which kindles the flames of hope.

Taxi squad pay is like government and teachers' pay during COVID: you get paid more for doing less!
- HenryHockey

HEY! HEY! I resemble that remark (but only during lunch, or when I'm on a video call, or when.....dang it! ).

So, what's the process for inculcating the NHL ethos into these TS guys?? "Hey, taxi! Take me to 4th n Main. And step on it!!"?? Seems kinda lame to me.....

HEY! HEY! I resemble that remark (but only during lunch, or when I'm on a video call, or when.....dang it! ).

So, what's the process for inculcating the NHL ethos into these TS guys?? "Hey, taxi! Take me to 4th n Main. And step on it!!"?? Seems kinda lame to me.....
- mcmastermike1968

If you’re on the taxi squad for more than a month you’re required to get a Mohawk.

If you’re on the taxi squad for more than a month you’re required to get a Mohawk.
- Feds91Stammer

I remember that movie. The gal I took to it was in shock for a week!

That’s not the case. The ammendment made at the AHL level had to be approved before teams moved forward. Remember, not all teams have NHL ownership. The owners would go bankrupt if they had to pay the un amended salaries. Again, go back to the final agreements the AHL put in place before starting. There were multiple articles about the discrepancies of Taxi Squad and AHL pay from all over.
- Jeremy Laura

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about players getting full salaries in the AHL, which I'm fully aware is not happening. I'm ONLY talking about players getting full (minor league) salaries while on the taxi squad, in which case they would be paid by the NHL team and not by the AHL team.

In other words, the salary is NOT pro-rated ONLY if (A) the player is on a two-way contract and (B) is on the taxi squad (NOT the AHL)

- 2-Way Player is on the NHL roster: Paid 72% of NHL salary by the NHL team.

- 2-Way Player is on the taxi squad: Paid 100% of MINOR LEAGUE salary BY the NHL team.

- 2-Way Player is in the AHL: Paid no less than 40% of MINOR LEAGUE salary. The matter of WHO actually pays that salary (NHL or AHL) depends on affiliation agreement.

Again, looking at Svech:

- NHL salary: $629k (72% of NHL salary) paid by Detroit

- Taxi squad salary: $70k (100% minor league salary) paid by Detroit

- AHL salary: $30k (pro-rated AHL salary) possibly paid by Grand Rapids (although to be honest I'm not sure what the terms of the DET-GR agreement specifically stipulate).

EDIT / ADDITION: The only actual point of fact you and I disagree on is whether or not 2-way players on the taxi squad are still subject to 28% deferral / escrow haircut even though they are already being paid at their AHL salary rate while still practicing, traveling with and being paid by the NHL team. Your original post asserted that they are; I believe this is false, and cited an official source as evidence.

I kind of wish they would try Glendening centering the 2nd PP unit, move Namestnakov to the wing and get Gagner off of it. Obviously the current setup is doing nothing, Luke is a great faceoff guy and winning a faceoff in the offensive zone on the PP is the difference between potentially setting up a play, or the other team winning it and dumping it killing 20+ seconds.

Something needs to be mixed up, because the PP right now is pathetic.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about players getting full salaries in the AHL, which I'm fully aware is not happening. I'm ONLY talking about players getting full (minor league) salaries while on the taxi squad, in which case they would be paid by the NHL team and not by the AHL team.

In other words, the salary is NOT pro-rated ONLY if (A) the player is on a two-way contract and (B) is on the taxi squad (NOT the AHL)

- 2-Way Player is on the NHL roster: Paid 72% of NHL salary by the NHL team.

- 2-Way Player is on the taxi squad: Paid 100% of MINOR LEAGUE salary BY the NHL team.

- 2-Way Player is in the AHL: Paid no less than 40% of MINOR LEAGUE salary. The matter of WHO actually pays that salary (NHL or AHL) depends on affiliation agreement.

Again, looking at Svech:

- NHL salary: $629k (72% of NHL salary) paid by Detroit

- Taxi squad salary: $70k (100% minor league salary) paid by Detroit

- AHL salary: $30k (pro-rated AHL salary) possibly paid by Grand Rapids (although to be honest I'm not sure what the terms of the DET-GR agreement specifically stipulate).

EDIT / ADDITION: The only actual point of fact you and I disagree on is whether or not 2-way players on the taxi squad are still subject to 28% deferral / escrow haircut even though they are already being paid at their AHL salary rate while still practicing, traveling with and being paid by the NHL team. Your original post asserted that they are; I believe this is false, and cited an official source as evidence.
- Sven22

Ok, i think we’re talking in circles a bit. The original point with Feds I made was that Taxi Squad was an increase in pay for AHLers. He disagreed. I’d been pointing that out. As far as 100% vs 72%, I will have to get clarification for taxi squad. The NHL players who pass waivers on a 1 way are still subject to the same discount. The 2 way deals should be as well at this point. Regardless, my point to Feds was that it was a huge increase in pay for players to be called up even just to sit on the squad

I kind of wish they would try Glendening centering the 2nd PP unit, move Namestnakov to the wing and get Gagner off of it. Obviously the current setup is doing nothing, Luke is a great faceoff guy and winning a faceoff in the offensive zone on the PP is the difference between potentially setting up a play, or the other team winning it and dumping it killing 20+ seconds.

Something needs to be mixed up, because the PP right now is pathetic.
- Datsyuks_Dangle

I don’t know why they’ve hung onto this drop pass zone entry thing. I feel like it hasn’t been effective since Datsyuk left. Other than that Glenny might help just due to the fact it will force them to simplify the PP even more and just get to the net.

Ok, i think we’re talking in circles a bit. The original point with Feds I made was that Taxi Squad was an increase in pay for AHLers. He disagreed. I’d been pointing that out. As far as 100% vs 72%, I will have to get clarification for taxi squad. The NHL players who pass waivers on a 1 way are still subject to the same discount. The 2 way deals should be as well at this point. Regardless, my point to Feds was that it was a huge increase in pay for players to be called up even just to sit on the squad
- Jeremy Laura

Yes, we are talking in circles a bit. You are correct that taxi squad is a pay increase even for players on two-way contracts -- and in fact the example I used in my original post shows Svechnikov's actual daily pay more than doubling by being transferred from AHL to taxi squad.

My point of clarification was really a side point, and a really arcane bit of accounting minutiae that would be irrelevant to the average fan since it doesn't materially affect the salary cap. But as I've demonstrated many, many times, I happen to be a big fan of arcane accounting minutiae.

The source I linked makes a pretty big point of clarifying that players on one-way contracts pay the deferral / escrow, while pointedly not saying the same for two-way players. The taxi squad calculations in the Brooks article you alluded to earlier also are derived from a 100% minor league rate rather than a 72% rate.

Yes, we are talking in circles a bit. You are correct that taxi squad is a pay increase even for players on two-way contracts -- and in fact the example I used in my original post shows Svechnikov's actual daily pay more than doubling by being transferred from AHL to taxi squad.

My point of clarification was really a side point, and a really arcane bit of accounting minutiae that would be irrelevant to the average fan since it doesn't materially affect the salary cap. But as I've demonstrated many, many times, I happen to be a big fan of arcane accounting minutiae.

The source I linked makes a pretty big point of clarifying that players on one-way contracts pay the deferral / escrow, while pointedly not saying the same for two-way players. The taxi squad calculations in the Brooks article you alluded to earlier also are derived from a 100% minor league rate rather than a 72% rate.
- Sven22

Ok, we’re on the same page. I believe Brooks compared it to “winning the lottery” for AHLers getting on the squad. GMs would do call ups in regular years to reward a good effort. Even though the players may practice only, it was a great gesture. Mr I, was known to give out bonuses (off the books) to show his own appreciation. He was a rare breed of owner

It still sounds really strange listening to Tirico call a game. Very familiar voice in a very unusual context.